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| 00:07.58 | jima | oh, that's you. |
| 00:11.31 | shalkie | Good Decision by the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. http://m.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/02/laptop-decryption-unconstitutional/ |
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| 00:57.33 | jima | shalkie: yeah, i thought that was an interesting ruling. |
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| 01:10.03 | goozbach | grr CGI::Simple not worky |
| 01:10.12 | goozbach | and the log message is simply 'malformed header from script. Bad header=<html>' |
| 01:10.22 | goozbach | I have *NO* idea what I am doing |
| 01:10.55 | goozbach | wrong that is |
| 01:13.52 | Tene | goozbach: you're not outputting an extra newline after headers are over. |
| 01:14.08 | goozbach | hmm |
| 01:14.17 | goozbach | cgi::simple was doing that in the past |
| 01:14.40 | goozbach | weird, now it's application/x-perl instead of text/html |
| 01:15.17 | fozzmoo | Sounds like it's too simple. |
| 01:15.23 | fozzmoo | What's wrong with CGI.pm? :) |
| 01:15.32 | goozbach | fozzmoo: I don't have time to re-write it |
| 01:15.40 | goozbach | Tene: that led me in the right line |
| 01:15.57 | goozbach | I had forgotten that I commented out this line during debug: |
| 01:16.07 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.13 | fozzmoo | waves arms wildly |
| 01:16.13 | Tene | Yeah, that would do it. |
| 01:16.35 | goozbach | thanks guys |
| 01:16.51 | goozbach | fozzmoo: if you want to rewrite it in cgi.pm let me get you a gist :) |
| 01:16.57 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 01:16.59 | fozzmoo | What is it? |
| 01:17.09 | goozbach | http://blog.friocorte.com/card/ |
| 01:17.12 | fozzmoo | CGI::Simple is "CGI.pm compliant", says the POD |
| 01:17.43 | fozzmoo | Cool. |
| 01:17.55 | fozzmoo | Want me to rewrite it as a Catalyst app? :) |
| 01:18.06 | goozbach | buahaha |
| 01:18.09 | goozbach | no, thanks |
| 01:18.32 | goozbach | I've got enough to do without trying to get Catalyst installed |
| 01:18.40 | goozbach | but if you wanted to try Moose and Mason |
| 01:18.42 | goozbach | :) |
| 01:18.51 | goozbach | nevermind the gist |
| 01:19.00 | goozbach | tmux doesn't scroll properly like screen :( |
| 01:21.00 | goozbach | ok *THAT* yak is shaved |
| 01:21.26 | goozbach | ok maybe not |
| 01:21.28 | goozbach | :( |
| 01:23.00 | Tene | I'm always confused when I hear people discuss Mason in the same context as web frameworks; Mason is a templating library, in the same category as Template::Toolkit, not Catalyst. |
| 01:23.31 | goozbach | Tene: true |
| 01:23.36 | goozbach | and I should have known better |
| 01:23.40 | goozbach | but yeah |
| 01:23.51 | Tene | I don't think that's quite what you were saying here, but it's relatively common to see in such discussions online. |
| 01:24.21 | goozbach | I used to admin a very large Mason/Cgi system |
| 01:24.26 | goozbach | millions of hits a day |
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| 03:28.42 | goozbach | what are mario's coveralls made out of? |
| 03:28.58 | goozbach | denim, denim, denim |
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| 05:43.33 | shalkie | Wow, I just ran across passmass... Interesting... |
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| 13:46.49 | eightyeight | shalkie: you should checkout capistrano |
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| 14:14.38 | fozzmoo | Wow. |
| 14:15.58 | eightyeight | best viewed in an 80x24 terminal |
| 14:18.45 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Can you believe that I don't even have telnet installed? |
| 14:19.12 | fozzmoo | jsmith: What's up with that? |
| 14:35.33 | goozbach | jsmith: how did you avoid that? |
| 14:35.44 | goozbach | @core and install *JUST* the packages you need |
| 14:35.54 | goozbach | someone check that man's comps.xml file STAT! |
| 14:35.59 | goozbach | :) |
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| 14:39.40 | jsmith | goozbach: I'm sneaky like that :-p |
| 14:39.47 | jsmith | goozbach: What, you don't have your own custom kickstart file yet? |
| 14:40.26 | goozbach | you know me |
| 14:40.39 | goozbach | I've not done a bare install since fedora 1 or 2 |
| 14:41.04 | goozbach | I'm the other side of hardcore |
| 14:41.05 | jsmith | I do indeed |
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| 16:15.46 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 16:15.47 | ibot | squeezes craigj till craigj turns blue like papa smurf |
| 16:16.13 | craigj | feels tickled |
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| 17:07.31 | youtah | imgur is back! http://imgur.com/gallery/fnkq8 |
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| 17:20.10 | youtah | Sorry, too good to not share http://imgur.com/gallery/ls2aZ |
| 17:44.31 | jima | oh, good grief. the comments there make me sad for the internet. |
| 17:54.15 | sjansen | youtah: Before you can replace Migs, you must first battle to the death. |
| 17:54.36 | sjansen | Because you are the challenger, I believe that means Migs gets to choose the weapon. |
| 17:54.58 | goozbach | and as the challenger you get to choose the locale, no? |
| 17:56.53 | shalkie | For added fun do we use random times? One day at some time they are sure to match... |
| 17:56.54 | sjansen | Assuming Migs agrees to play fair. |
| 17:59.52 | sjansen | I'm not certain Migs won't call in a favor and get youtah's ISP to redirect port 80 to 4chan. |
| 18:05.00 | shalkie | Maybe we just need to broadcast a chant of "Fight!" to a large enough area... |
| 18:05.12 | jima | sjansen: did you look at that link youtah just posted? i'm not sure he'd be upset. |
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| 18:42.50 | youtah | back |
| 18:42.57 | youtah | ah man... looks like I missed a lot of fun |
| 18:43.45 | youtah | didn't post that photo. The postee is unknown to sir youtah |
| 18:45.34 | jima | youtah: i wasn't implying you did. |
| 18:48.25 | youtah | I accept the dual and will make Migs beat himself to death while under a barrage of horrible jokes |
| 18:48.43 | youtah | googles laffy taffy jokes... |
| 18:49.33 | youtah | besides... why would you only want one, when you could have two! |
| 18:52.03 | youtah | burnt the pad to my right index finger (no I wasn't trying to remove my fingerprint)... and it really hurts to type with or use this mouse thingy |
| 18:55.14 | youtah | Guy walks into a bar with a slab of asphalt under arm. Says to the bartender: "Ill take a beer, and one for the road." |
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| 19:10.43 | jima | ...dual? dual what? |
| 19:15.32 | sjansen | Dual duels. |
| 19:15.38 | sjansen | First to the pain. |
| 19:15.50 | sjansen | Then, when the pain is too great, to the death. |
| 19:20.20 | jima | i thought "when the pain is too great" led to "tough luck." |
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| 19:22.19 | sjansen | Only if you're a coward like Humperdinck. A real man would have replied "if you leave me alive, I will use the rest of my life to prepare my revenge". |
| 19:22.33 | youtah | agreed sjansen |
| 19:23.08 | youtah | hasn't anyone learned anything from the count of monte cristo |
| 19:23.41 | jima | sjansen: fair enough. |
| 19:24.14 | jima | i'd still say it's more like "when i get bored" than "when the pain is too great," though. |
| 19:27.27 | shalkie | There's a Humperdinck in The Count of Monte Cristo? |
| 19:28.23 | shalkie | suspects sjansen was referencing the movie that contains the line: "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." |
| 19:31.23 | sjansen | youtah saw my reference and raised me |
| 19:32.30 | sjansen | I went all in. Looks like he folded. |
| 19:34.42 | sjansen | youtah: Thanks to you, my brain referenced ABC's Revenge. Which caused it to wonder "how long until Fox brings back 'To Destroy A Marriage'". |
| 19:35.28 | sjansen | Now telling you that has resulted in me picturing a Survivor/Glee/American Idol hybrid. |
| 19:35.34 | sjansen | had to share his pain |
| 19:36.50 | sjansen | Now an American Idol/Running Man hybrid... |
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| 19:40.59 | fozzmoo | wonders how many in the room have seen Running Man |
| 19:59.57 | youtah | lol |
| 20:00.00 | youtah | sorry, just catching up |
| 20:00.25 | youtah | once you've hit Wesley status, the movie quotes stop. |
| 20:00.44 | youtah | yells "asssssssssss youuuuuuuuuuuuuu wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" |
| 20:02.24 | youtah | hey, any good tips on where to buy tickets to Brighton for the least amount of money? |
| 20:04.38 | shalkie | Running Man...It has been a while since I have seen that fozzmoo. From the plot summary @ wikipedia: |
| 20:04.53 | shalkie | By 2017, the global economy has collapsed and American society has become a totalitarian police state, censoring all cultural activity. The government pacifies the populace by broadcasting a number of game shows in which convicted criminals fight for their lives, including the gladiator-style The Running Man, hosted by the ruthless Damon Killian, where “runners” attempt to evade “stalkers” and |
| 20:04.54 | shalkie | certain death for a chance to be pardoned and set free. |
| 20:04.55 | fozzmoo | I used to own it on Laserdisc. :) |
| 20:05.23 | shalkie | Nice. :-) |
| 20:09.50 | fozzmoo | Of course, the best thing about Running Man was Richard Dawson. :-D |
| 20:11.11 | unum | Given the dangers out there, should we trust anyone? Isn't "trust no one" the first rule of security? |
| 20:11.14 | unum | It might be the first rule of security, but it's the worst rule of society. |
| 20:11.20 | unum | --bruce schneier |
| 20:14.04 | rsimpkin1 | I'm just glad taking pictures of cows won't be illegal. |
| 20:14.13 | youtah | wait |
| 20:14.14 | youtah | whoa |
| 20:14.16 | rsimpkin1 | We dodged a bullet there. |
| 20:14.17 | youtah | that get overturned? |
| 20:14.25 | rsimpkin1 | It got refined. |
| 20:14.46 | rsimpkin1 | Now you have to be guilty of tresspassing _first_, then take a picture of a cow. |
| 20:14.55 | rsimpkin1 | Rather than the other way around. |
| 20:15.05 | youtah | Ah |
| 20:15.15 | rsimpkin1 | We'll see what the senete does with it in the final version. |
| 20:15.48 | rsimpkin1 | I don't know why we need this law, but whatever. |
| 20:16.11 | youtah | That clears up the definition (is that even a word?) of what is considered to be "where the operation is located" |
| 20:16.17 | rsimpkin1 | For all the screaming by my neigbors how they want less laws and the governemnt to stay out of their lives, they sure favor a lot of laws. |
| 20:16.47 | rsimpkin1 | youtah: yes, now it will fall under what it means to 'criminally tresspass' |
| 20:16.50 | youtah | it's already illegal to photograph someones property, if they have already asked you to leave and to not photograph |
| 20:17.03 | rsimpkin1 | If you are on that property, yes. |
| 20:17.09 | youtah | exactly |
| 20:17.48 | rsimpkin1 | So this is just a way to heap on the violations of the law. You'll get nailed for tresspassing, then get nailed again for interrupting an agriculteral operation... by capturing photos. |
| 20:17.49 | youtah | as to where before, I could legally photography military installations from public property, but not an orchard of apple trees. |
| 20:18.39 | rsimpkin1 | The languages is specifically worded as "interrupting" so they can potentially pin additional laws on you when they throw the book at ya. |
| 20:19.19 | rsimpkin1 | in the tresspassing statute, interferring or interrupting an owner's use of the property has a higher penalty. |
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| 20:19.53 | youtah | Hmmm, I dont see that change http://le.utah.gov/~2012/bills/hbillint/hb0187.htm |
| 20:19.54 | rsimpkins | So, this law seems to define taking pictures as just that. |
| 20:19.55 | brac | [Utah Legislature HB0187] |
| 20:20.02 | rsimpkins | Yeah, look at the status. |
| 20:20.19 | rsimpkins | It has a new one now... I forget the term they use. |
| 20:20.28 | rsimpkins | Here: http://le.utah.gov/~2012/bills/hbillint/hb0187s02.htm |
| 20:20.31 | brac | [Utah Legislature HB0187S02] |
| 20:20.40 | rsimpkins | "Second Substitute" |
| 20:20.54 | rsimpkins | That's the version in the senate. |
| 20:21.11 | rsimpkins | And the one approved by the house already, so just needs a vote and a sig. |
| 20:22.46 | youtah | "officer, I did not intentionally take these photographs" |
| 20:23.17 | rsimpkins | The law is for recording, not for attempting to record. Which I think could save your bacon. |
| 20:23.19 | youtah | 76-6-112.2.a |
| 20:23.36 | rsimpkins | I can erase the card on my camera in under 2 seconds. |
| 20:24.12 | youtah | shooting two cards ftw... pull out the CF card |
| 20:24.13 | rsimpkins | There are so many ways to get around this law, I'm not sure it will have the desired effect. |
| 20:24.16 | youtah | (leave in the SD) |
| 20:24.25 | rsimpkins | Groups like PETA could care less about breaking the law. |
| 20:24.31 | youtah | exactly |
| 20:25.39 | rsimpkins | I feel the urge to start a new documentary project recording all the agriculteral properties owned by state representatives. |
| 20:26.02 | rsimpkins | Their desire to pass this makes me think they are up to something they know they shouldn't be. |
| 20:26.21 | JoshH_ | rep. mike noel is one of the biggest idiots in the legislature |
| 20:26.26 | JoshH_ | easily in the top 5 |
| 20:26.58 | rsimpkins | Chief Sponsor: John G. Mathis. Senate Sponsor: David P. Hinkins |
| 20:27.01 | rsimpkins | Do they own farms? |
| 20:27.11 | youtah | I dunno, I think that they could still peg you even if you werent trespassing |
| 20:27.25 | youtah | under the (2)(a) |
| 20:27.35 | youtah | which would result in a class A misdemeanor |
| 20:27.36 | JoshH_ | i read it was noel's idea, based on complaints from farmers/ranchers worried about activists filming |
| 20:27.51 | youtah | as to where trespassing would be the class B misdemeanor |
| 20:28.34 | youtah | So if I am doing photography on my property, and a farmers property happens to be in the background where they harvest wheat, I could still be hit with a class A misdemeanor |
| 20:29.12 | youtah | they still fail to define what "where the operation is located" means |
| 20:29.22 | youtah | So does this mean that if a farmer leaves his cows out on public land to range free for 3 months, and I photograph it, is that public land considered "where the operation is located?" |
| 20:29.32 | rsimpkins | Probably. |
| 20:29.34 | youtah | under the (2)(a) |
| 20:29.59 | rsimpkins | Well, that talks about "leaving a recording device" |
| 20:30.04 | rsimpkins | What does that mean? It isn't defined. |
| 20:30.13 | rsimpkins | Leaving for 2 seconds. Leaving for 2 days... ? |
| 20:30.23 | rsimpkins | Attempting to leave, etc, etc. |
| 20:30.30 | youtah | Ahhhhhhhh |
| 20:31.17 | rsimpkins | Up to the judge. Hopefully the judge doesn't own a farm. |
| 20:31.24 | youtah | I guess that makes more sense |
| 20:31.40 | youtah | I want to own a huge farm, so I can then get paid by the government to not grow anything |
| 20:32.14 | youtah | and spend all my time getting people arrested for photographing my property |
| 20:32.29 | jima | farmers should have less interesting property! |
| 20:32.53 | youtah | are you referring to their daughters? |
| 20:32.59 | youtah | ;-) |
| 20:33.02 | rsimpkins | lol |
| 20:33.17 | jima | no, i haven't run into that problem in a long time. |
| 20:38.05 | unum | Stephenson and Dougal are my two least favorite |
| 20:38.47 | unum | with Cosgrove and McAdams being my favorites |
| 20:41.02 | unum | on a somewhat related note, that police imposter got four days |
| 20:43.01 | youtah | I grew up with Sen Karen Morgan's son |
| 20:43.05 | youtah | (one of them) |
| 20:43.19 | youtah | she is my fav. She's a really really sweet and great person |
| 20:43.33 | unum | ya I like her too |
| 20:43.48 | youtah | She always took the time to listen to me, even though I was a rowdy 18yo boy, and listen to my concerns |
| 20:43.50 | unum | I need to check the new boundaries and see if she's my senator |
| 20:44.03 | youtah | she's currently mine |
| 20:44.14 | youtah | if/when you find the map, mind sending me the link? |
| 20:44.17 | unum | cotton wood hights? |
| 20:44.31 | youtah | cottonwood heights/sandy area, yeah |
| 20:44.43 | youtah | Union |
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| 20:45.25 | unum | http://elections.utah.gov/map/district-maps |
| 20:45.32 | unum | I'm at 8200 s and 1300 e |
| 20:46.02 | youtah | Disclaimer: This map takes effect on January 1, 2012, for purposes of nominating and electing officials and on January 1, 2013, for all other purposes. << exactly what I was looking for |
| 20:46.09 | youtah | lol, seriously?! You are right by me |
| 20:46.17 | youtah | 13th & 81st, ish |
| 20:46.43 | youtah | Like, I am seriously about three waterballoon water launcher throws away from Golds Gym |
| 20:47.30 | unum | I could hit with one wate balloon launcher but I get a couple hundred feet |
| 20:47.52 | unum | you live in the convalesce center? ;) |
| 20:48.15 | youtah | lol, no |
| 20:48.17 | youtah | but close to it |
| 20:49.00 | youtah | sweet! So I could still vote in Moab! |
| 20:49.03 | youtah | well, not really |
| 20:49.14 | youtah | but same congressional district |
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| 20:50.24 | unum | I live in the condos just south of health south |
| 20:50.40 | youtah | I'm just eaast |
| 20:50.42 | youtah | East |
| 20:50.45 | youtah | (and slightly north) |
| 20:51.09 | youtah | Shoot! I says that I am now in the 9th, she is in the 8th |
| 20:55.05 | unum | ya |
| 20:55.10 | unum | have you ever talked to steve? |
| 20:55.20 | youtah | Steve....? |
| 20:55.24 | unum | I guess Laura's just down the street from |
| 20:55.39 | unum | Laura Black was the old state rep Steve Eliason is our current state rep |
| 20:55.52 | youtah | no I havent |
| 20:55.54 | unum | he's the scout master I'm the assistant scout master |
| 20:56.06 | youtah | oh really? |
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| 20:58.09 | youtah | Hey, anyone have some DDR 400 1GB sticks? |
| 20:58.18 | youtah | I could buy? |
| 20:58.39 | youtah | 400 is the max speed my kids comp can handle, and I wanna max it out at 3GB |
| 21:00.54 | neybar | rsimpkins: do you know if the plug minecraft server is coming back? |
| 21:02.18 | shalkie | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.24 | Tene | I've got a moderately modded miencraft server running. |
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| 21:09.19 | neybar | Tene: would you consider your server to be kid friendly? |
| 21:09.59 | Tene | neybar: I think so? I can't really imagine what would be not-safe-for-kids in minecraft, though. |
| 21:10.27 | neybar | heh, I'm thinking mainly if you have lots of structures setup that you'd rather not have messed up. |
| 21:11.02 | Tene | I don't use it much; I haven't logged in in about a week, and I don't think my GF has either. |
| 21:11.11 | Tene | There's a half-built rainbow tower of sheep. |
| 21:11.43 | Tene | So, it's just fine. :) |
| 21:12.44 | Tene | You can get the mods at http://allalone.org/mc.zip and that has a servers.day configured for allalone.org:23456, where the server is running |
| 21:15.33 | Tene | If I update or change the mods in the future, I'll also update the modpack at that url. |
| 21:17.07 | fozzmoo | Can you play Minecraft using Linux without using Wine? |
| 21:17.19 | Tene | fozzmoo: Yes. |
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| 21:17.37 | Tene | Playing it with wine would be rather complicated and awkward, in fact. |
| 21:17.38 | fozzmoo | Do you have to pay for something? |
| 21:18.13 | Tene | I paid like $10 once a couple of years ago; I have no idea what it's like now. |
| 21:18.38 | Tene | Ah; apparently it's $26.95 now |
| 21:19.35 | fozzmoo | My kids would like to play MC... I've installed some open source clones for them to play with. |
| 21:20.58 | Tene | Or, were you asking if you had to pay anything additional to run on linux? If so, no, it's just Java. |
| 21:22.18 | neybar | I wish that I had bought more than one copy while it was still in beta. My son really loves minecraft now and I have to fight him to use my account. :) |
| 21:24.43 | Tene | The modding situation is pretty absurdly bad, though. Distribution is scattered among awkward forum posts, installation involves copying files into the minecraft jar half the time, conflicts over block ids, etc. |
| 21:24.45 | fozzmoo | No, I was asking about the cost of the client, period. |
| 21:26.12 | Tene | That's apparently $27; I don't know if there are ever sales or anything. Also, I'm not aware whether that covers all future updates like it did if you bought during beta or not. |
| 21:43.56 | goozbach | I've got a personal minecraft server running as well |
| 21:44.07 | goozbach | my little brother plays on it regularly |
| 22:31.12 | rsimpkins | neybar: Sigh. The world is too much for it. I just need to make the backups available to download. |
| 22:31.24 | rsimpkins | neybar: Do you want me to put it some place you can get at it? |
| 22:32.46 | rsimpkins | the guy made a few million off that game, didn't he? I'd be willing to bet he doesn't really have much motivation to fix it up, just move on to the next fad. |
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| 22:55.45 | youtah | hates IE |
| 22:55.57 | youtah | mumbles *stupid IE* |
| 23:01.22 | rsimpkins | Every time I have to use IE I make a sound like a wounded bear: "NWWWHHWHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!" |
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| 23:15.17 | youtah | lol |
| 23:31.03 | shalkie | I can actually measure my windows usage by Months... So I try to not make to large of a scene when I get forced into IE... But after 10 minutes how do you _not_ go bonkers? |
| 23:31.15 | shalkie | 5 times in month and such... |