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| 01:49.30 | youtah | <jayce^> smells funny |
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| 02:18.52 | youtah | processing wedding photos |
| 02:18.54 | youtah | you guys? |
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| 03:14.59 | shalkie | Wait, who likes money? |
| 03:15.16 | shalkie | Cause I totally occasionally care for money... |
| 03:15.17 | brkpt | raises his hand |
| 03:15.25 | brkpt | I have an affinity for it |
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| 15:23.55 | jsmith | *split* *splat* |
| 15:25.01 | fozzmoo | hands jsmith a napkin |
| 15:25.34 | jsmith | fozzmoo: I sayd "split", not spit :-p |
| 15:26.06 | fozzmoo | True, but you also said "splat." :) |
| 15:26.40 | jsmith | That was the sound of the netsplit |
| 15:27.07 | fozzmoo | Okay. I'm sure the napkin will come in handy someday. |
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| 15:38.42 | fozzmoo | Ahhh, the joys of documenting ledger types. |
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| 15:49.14 | fugue88 | ~make++ |
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| 16:02.47 | goozbach | ~mk++ |
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| 16:35.51 | shalkie | ~lart Utah legislature |
| 16:35.51 | ibot | drops a truckload of VAXen on Utah legislature |
| 16:37.47 | ^Phantom3^ | lol |
| 16:38.59 | fugue88 | goozbach: Is mk a *nix tool? |
| 16:39.39 | fugue88 | Oh, maybe plan9 and family. |
| 16:39.51 | fugue88 | heh, yes, plan9 and inferno. |
| 16:39.56 | jima | shalkie: what now? |
| 16:42.29 | goozbach | fugue88: yeah, plan9 make |
| 16:42.33 | goozbach | it's pretty cool |
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| 16:44.06 | shalkie | Same 'ol sex ed bill. "If we tell them not to have sex in school then then won't have sex... It works 100 percent of the time amongst our selective poll..." |
| 16:44.38 | shalkie | The the Ed Bagely cartoon was pretty good. |
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| 16:45.16 | shalkie | Oh and pushing voting by mail to increase votes. |
| 16:46.32 | shalkie | Wow, I didn't even see the bill to give city and county the right to use eminent domain to claim lands from the feds. |
| 16:46.50 | shalkie | jima: Thats about i for the moment. I can only take it in small doses. |
| 16:46.51 | shalkie | :-) |
| 16:48.23 | shalkie | s/t i/t it/ |
| 16:48.52 | shalkie | Oh, um... Well that wasn't the right response at all. |
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| 16:53.45 | jima | doesn't follow the news, so...yeah. |
| 17:34.34 | mahelious | so...it has come to this. |
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| 17:43.01 | sjansen | mahelious: So, at last we meet for the first time for the last time. |
| 17:43.31 | mahelious | col |
| 17:43.58 | mahelious | (chuckle out loud...) :-) |
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| 17:46.31 | goozbach | mahelious: obligatory xkcd http://xkcd.com/ |
| 17:54.45 | fugue88 | goozbach: An xkcd reference? |
| 17:54.51 | fugue88 | So. It has come to this. |
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| 17:57.27 | goozbach | come to what?! |
| 17:58.31 | youtah | Hey, I have a story to beat yours from yesterday |
| 17:58.38 | youtah | that kindergarten gun story |
| 17:58.40 | youtah | http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53603002-78/roommate-charged-child-counts.html.csp |
| 17:59.10 | youtah | Man finds mouse, shoots at mouse with hand gun, hits room mate in chest, police find a 13yo girl who has been having sex with 34yo man in basement |
| 17:59.40 | youtah | I hope the 34yo goes to prison for a long time |
| 18:00.49 | eightyeight | wtf |
| 18:00.55 | goozbach | wow |
| 18:01.04 | goozbach | filed under "you can't make this stuff up" |
| 18:01.06 | goozbach | I'd hope |
| 18:01.11 | youtah | yeah |
| 18:01.13 | youtah | no kidding |
| 18:03.21 | sjansen | ~lart Windows |
| 18:03.21 | ibot | whips out a sword and chops Windows in half |
| 18:05.50 | brkpt | Wow... what a fucked up place that is. |
| 18:06.45 | youtah | Messed. Up. |
| 18:06.53 | youtah | Too bad it wasn't the 34yo on the toilet, huh? |
| 18:15.52 | mahelious | Taylorsville, because Utah wanted a little piece of Florida |
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| 18:24.48 | Migs | how trailer park is that? Shooting at mice. |
| 18:34.23 | eightyeight | ~language brkpt |
| 18:34.23 | ibot | ACTION grabs brkpt by the ear and washes brkpt's mouth out with soap |
| 18:34.25 | shalkie | That story seems so familiar for some sad reason. I think the funny part is that the only person that didn't get a Felony was the shot roommate and the one with the most serious offences was the third roommate. |
| 18:34.40 | shalkie | Wait, what is West Valley if not florida? |
| 18:35.09 | jima | somehow i have a feeling if there were drugs in the house, the 27yo is shooting at mice, and the 34yo is having sex with a 13yo (the abstinence-only sex ed must be working! err, wait), i'm not sure how much of a winner the 2nd roommate can be. |
| 18:36.48 | jima | guesses he lives in a better part of taylorsville. |
| 18:37.25 | jsmith | bites his tongue and tries not to offend anyone |
| 18:37.50 | Jayce^ | just do it, it's #utah after all |
| 18:38.08 | jima | jsmith: i moved from 1300 miles away, we didn't exactly get the reputations of the various suburbs from our brief visits. |
| 18:39.54 | shalkie | Great, that article was picked up and is now all over. :-\ |
| 18:40.04 | shalkie | Good humour value I suppose. |
| 18:42.07 | shalkie | Oh man, the title was so much cooler as "Reward offered for Carbon County Cow Killer" |
| 18:42.12 | shalkie | http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53606573-78/county-information-office-carbon.html.csp |
| 18:42.28 | youtah | Well, think this part of his name must be paul |
| 18:42.44 | youtah | because the shooters last name was paul |
| 18:43.00 | youtah | and the 34yo's first name was paul |
| 18:43.14 | youtah | which leads me to believe that the guy that got shot's middle name is paul |
| 18:43.28 | jima | :-D |
| 18:44.48 | youtah | Was the cows middle name paul? |
| 18:45.01 | youtah | and how did it get in the bathroom? |
| 18:45.19 | youtah | Oh wait, right... goes back to the drugs in the house |
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| 18:47.29 | shalkie | youtah: The cows name was Bessie the Milk Beast. |
| 18:48.53 | shalkie | really did feel the need to pull that old gem of a reference out of the closet... |
| 18:52.48 | sjansen | ~lart Windows |
| 18:52.48 | ibot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets Windows feel it |
| 18:53.44 | eightyeight | sjansen: that's twice in less than an hour. having some issues? |
| 18:54.14 | goozbach | he's using windows for one |
| 18:54.22 | sjansen | Everyone else is teaching so I'm stuck providing customer support. |
| 18:54.36 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.30 | Jayce^ | sjansen: which means you *are* the right person :) |
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| 19:28.17 | eightyeight | regedit and rebooting are all you need to solve all windows woes |
| 19:29.53 | youtah | Jayce^ you see what I just ordered on the interwebs? |
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| 19:36.17 | jalbretsen | points at sjansen: HA HA |
| 19:36.59 | jima | could be worse, you could get a new job that was allegedly mixed linux/windows admin, and it turns out it's almost all windows work. |
| 19:38.09 | Jayce^ | I did, I had suggested harleypig buy one, and wear just that |
| 19:38.14 | Jayce^ | though not sure you know him :) |
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| 19:39.53 | jalbretsen | I had a boss once I had to convince that advertising for a job titled "Linux Administrator" and then having all the requirements in the description be about Windows was not the best idea |
| 19:39.58 | youtah | Hey, Ubuntu Q for you guys.... (the posts I've read via Google haven't really helped -> and yes I need to learn how to do this via CLI) is there anyway to get the user/group admin gui back (using gnome) in 11.10? This no worky http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/01/enable-the-old-users-groups-management-tool-in-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric-ocelot/ |
| 19:40.54 | jima | jalbretsen: technically i am both a linux and windows sysadmin here, it's just that the linux stuff is completely fire-and-forget. |
| 19:43.35 | jalbretsen | well, my boss was wondering why we could not find anyone with the Linux skills he liked, so I looked at his posting and it was pretty obvious why. |
| 19:44.05 | jima | there's a reason we're only really looking for a windows admin |
| 19:57.40 | sjansen | youtah: Wait, you don't know how to use the command line? Why are you in #utah and why haven't we run you off yet? |
| 19:58.04 | sjansen | goes to find his pitchfork and torches |
| 20:10.05 | youtah | sjansen: lol, well, I can do all the basic stuff via CLI, not the really advanced stuff |
| 20:10.39 | resplin | youtah: I can't help with your newfangled GUI stuff, but users and groups is really easy. Changing group membership is just editing /etc/group |
| 20:10.58 | youtah | like I want to give the kids account very limited access |
| 20:11.24 | youtah | like restricting access to external storage devices |
| 20:11.25 | youtah | etc |
| 20:11.37 | resplin | That's done by editing /etc/groups and /etc/fstab |
| 20:11.58 | youtah | edjumicate me |
| 20:12.32 | fugue88 | You can use gpasswd to change group memberships without editing /etc/groups directly. |
| 20:12.45 | resplin | Don't make me whip out LMGTFY! |
| 20:12.48 | resplin | <grin> |
| 20:12.53 | youtah | lol |
| 20:13.09 | youtah | at least it wasn't an RTFM reply |
| 20:13.23 | youtah | I try to google it myself first... |
| 20:13.26 | resplin | Both files are pretty clear. They have good man pages too. |
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| 20:14.25 | resplin | Summary: Make sure that your kids accounts are not members of groups (in /etc/group) that have access to external mount points (in /etc/fstab) |
| 20:16.10 | youtah | gracias |
| 20:16.16 | youtah | found a great explantion page |
| 20:17.58 | resplin | de nada |
| 20:19.09 | youtah | would you recommend setting the kids accounts to something other than /bin/bash? |
| 20:19.19 | youtah | in /etc/passwd? |
| 20:20.09 | shalkie | eightyeight: You forgot the inevitable "FFR"... That fixes a multiple of windows sins... |
| 20:20.14 | fugue88 | youtah: You can use chsh to change an account's shell. |
| 20:20.17 | shalkie | s/multiple/multitude/ |
| 20:20.25 | fugue88 | youtah: But I personally wouldn't bother for a kid's account. |
| 20:20.36 | fugue88 | Unless you have some sort of "attack vector" in mind... |
| 20:21.29 | fugue88 | Or you want to change their shell to python, or something. |
| 20:24.22 | youtah | Hmmmm, these guys strongly recommend against it as well |
| 20:24.22 | youtah | http://www.semicomplete.com/articles/ssh-security/ |
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| 20:30.04 | sjansen | If you want to lock down SSH, AllowUsers is the best approach. |
| 20:30.31 | sjansen | Defense in depth. Change the shell, but don't stop there. |
| 20:30.48 | youtah | thx bt |
| 20:30.49 | youtah | w |
| 20:42.19 | fugue88 | ~sjansen++ |
| 20:42.24 | fugue88 | AllowUsers is da bomb |
| 20:55.09 | youtah | plus then, could leave the autologin feature set for my kids account |
| 20:56.20 | youtah | I also turned off PasswordAuthentication and set up my keys |
| 20:59.47 | jima | <3 PermitRootLogin without-password |
| 21:03.49 | sjansen | shuns jima for permitting root login |
| 21:04.40 | sjansen | (1) /etc/ssh/sshd_config: PermitRootLogin no |
| 21:04.55 | sjansen | (2) /etc/ssh/sshd_config: AllowUsers sjansen |
| 21:05.16 | sjansen | (3) usermod -a -G wheel sjansen |
| 21:05.43 | jsmith | sjansen: And now you're going to tell us that you use the same UID on all your machines |
| 21:05.56 | goozbach | rootlogin should only be used on testing systems which are re-imaged every so often |
| 21:06.03 | goozbach | never on a production system |
| 21:06.05 | jima | sjansen: i like being able to batch commands across hosts. |
| 21:06.37 | jima | at this point i'm trying to get people to stop using group-wide default root passwords and sshing as root |
| 21:06.38 | goozbach | jima: for i in host{1,2,3} do ssh $i sudo command; done |
| 21:07.19 | jima | there's a lot of mindless password-entering... |
| 21:09.03 | sjansen | (4) /etc/sudoers: %wheelALL=(ALL)NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 21:09.22 | jima | *blink* |
| 21:09.47 | jima | sjansen: i think you need to shun yourself now. |
| 21:10.42 | jima | so rather than $really_hard_to_guess_variable, someone needs $really_hard_to_guess_variable and $moderately_easy_to_guess_variable |
| 21:10.45 | jima | AWESOME. |
| 21:11.01 | goozbach | and don't forget (5) enable auditd |
| 21:11.24 | jima | s/en/don't dis/ |
| 21:15.31 | jima | really though, farming root out to another user with NOPASSWD sudo access feels like security-through-obscurity more than actual security. (although i suppose it would hamper any cryptological exploits.) |
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| 21:19.16 | youtah | I forgot to mention, the most important security feature of all, change all usernames to something cryptically awesome |
| 21:19.31 | youtah | like bobcat or truckertom |
| 21:20.34 | youtah | you think the bad guy hackers dare log into a computer that has an account name of "truckertom?" |
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| 21:36.07 | fugue88 | Use apg to generate your usernames. |
| 21:36.09 | fugue88 | ;P |
| 21:37.07 | jima | hah |
| 21:38.18 | smcquay | fugue88: wow. You shall hence forth be known as FirjOddowe |
| 21:38.58 | jima | what? i don't see any numbers in that. |
| 21:39.10 | smcquay | FirjOddowe |
| 21:39.17 | smcquay | sorry, 5 on the end |
| 21:40.39 | goozbach | no way! my username FirjOddowe3 |
| 21:40.51 | goozbach | yours is FirjOddowe5? |
| 21:40.59 | goozbach | I wonder who is FirjOddowe4? |
| 21:41.04 | jima | i've found myself wishing for an apg flag that would require it to have >1 number/symbol |
| 21:41.16 | jsmith | used to be, but now he's J2890ah#aljag7 |
| 21:41.48 | jima | occasionally i just grab two of the generated passwords (usually from different runs of apg) and concatenating them |
| 21:43.27 | goozbach | jima: have you read the apg man page? |
| 21:43.57 | jima | ack, -a 1 |
| 21:44.07 | jima | *facepalm* |
| 21:44.30 | jima | i'd skimmed it, but hadn't found anything promising-looking to that effect. |
| 21:45.32 | youtah | lol |
| 21:47.30 | youtah | I'm apparently Gheadyison7 |
| 21:50.11 | fugue88 | Here are the usernames that have been tried on my home server in the past week: |
| 21:50.11 | goozbach | jima: http://imgur.com/a/7maRT#0 |
| 21:50.13 | fugue88 | http://paste.lisp.org/display/128043 |
| 21:50.29 | fugue88 | I block IPs pretty agressively for failed ssh logins. |
| 21:50.37 | youtah | lol |
| 21:50.38 | fugue88 | So, not a high count overall. |
| 21:51.29 | goozbach | I've always wanted a series of images of me doing a facepalm |
| 21:51.36 | goozbach | now to make it into a gif |
| 21:52.26 | fugue88 | Someone needs to add animation support to PPMs. |
| 21:53.38 | jima | goozbach: i semi-logically searched the man page for 'number' |
| 21:54.53 | goozbach | ok I retract my facepalm |
| 21:55.15 | jima | i've been using *nix long enough to know to rtfm, yes |
| 21:55.49 | jima | i also find it absurd that it would default to -a 0 |
| 21:55.57 | goozbach | it's a problem with the man page then: numeral is the status |
| 21:56.39 | jima | even searching for numeral doesn't give any indication of how to make apg include >1 |
| 21:57.04 | goozbach | yes, that's my assertion |
| 21:57.18 | goozbach | I retract my facepalm from you and reinstate it for the manpage |
| 21:57.34 | jima | nods |
| 21:57.46 | goozbach | the mode switch is what you want |
| 21:57.57 | goozbach | without resorting to random geneeration |
| 21:57.59 | goozbach | I think |
| 21:58.03 | jima | no... |
| 21:58.12 | jima | what's the mode switch going to do for me? |
| 21:58.30 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.32 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.33 | jima | i've tried including multiple 'N', it doesn't seem to alter its behavior. |
| 21:58.41 | goozbach | apg -M N |
| 21:58.46 | jima | yes, without -a 1 it includes 1 per password. |
| 21:58.52 | youtah | plays audio on my machine at home to freak out kids |
| 21:59.28 | jima | `apg -M LNCS` always includes exactly 1 number and 1 symbol |
| 21:59.56 | jima | `apg -M LNCS -a1` does what i would consider a proper job |
| 22:00.19 | jima | uh-oh, phone call |
| 22:00.48 | goozbach | woah I just did apg -M N -a 1 and got *JUST* numbers |
| 22:08.19 | jima | err...yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all. |
| 22:15.48 | youtah | apg -M SNCL |
| 22:15.51 | youtah | Blam! |
| 22:16.04 | jima | blam what? |
| 22:16.14 | youtah | my new username |
| 22:16.23 | youtah | and that's how to get it |
| 22:16.31 | jima | ah |
| 22:16.35 | youtah | I think this is what the bots on twitter must use |
| 22:16.42 | jima | that seems...statically unprobable. |
| 22:16.50 | jima | err, statistically |
| 22:17.18 | youtah | I dunno... this one *just* followed me https://twitter.com/#!/xPok3207 |
| 22:17.24 | youtah | warning... boobs. |
| 22:18.29 | youtah | just marked it for spam. I am fairly certain I report 30% of all twitters bots |
| 22:18.31 | jima | seems legit! |
| 22:18.44 | youtah | seems |
| 22:18.46 | youtah | but isnt |
| 22:18.49 | jima | ... |
| 22:18.58 | jima | oops, i forgot to use sartalics |
| 22:18.59 | youtah | a girl with that hot of a body would never follow me in real life |
| 22:21.52 | jsmith | youtah: Yeah, I have that same problem :-p |
| 22:21.56 | youtah | lol |
| 22:22.00 | jsmith | youtah: Or maybe it's not a problem... |
| 22:22.07 | youtah | OMG https://twitter.com/#!/TheGoogleFacts/status/174588972058685440 << Horrible way to die! or would it?! |
| 22:22.21 | youtah | I like your thinking jsmith! |
| 22:43.01 | *** join/#utah brkpt (~brkpt@wbucrp-gdm0a-as.bsc.disney.com) |
| 23:06.13 | goozbach | one downside of using a place like chick-fil-a for a co working space is you get to see what appears to be a large number of custody hand-offs |
| 23:06.40 | goozbach | mom with kids meets dad with kids, kids leave with the dad, mom and dad don't interact well |
| 23:06.47 | brkpt | ouch |
| 23:07.02 | fugue88 | Chicken ruins families. |
| 23:07.18 | brkpt | That's the lesson I'm taking away from this |
| 23:09.59 | mahelious | two people who cant get along to save their marriage find the one spot in the world where they can be half-decent to each other at a chick-fil-a. |
| 23:10.41 | mahelious | that doesnt sound like ruining families. it sounds like a sanctuary. |
| 23:11.20 | mahelious | kids probably get obese off of fried chicken because its the only spot where they could have a real family meal. |
| 23:11.43 | fugue88 | mahelious: Don't turn my causality around! :P |
| 23:12.47 | goozbach | I hope I'm mis-interpreting this, but I really do see one of those interactions every week |
| 23:13.24 | goozbach | of course, when my wife and son come visit me I'm sure there are people thinking the same thing about us |
| 23:13.38 | goozbach | but we ususally greet with a kiss and I hang out with them smiling and happy |
| 23:14.00 | goozbach | not the "plastic" smile you put on when you're with someone who you don't want to be |
| 23:50.53 | *** join/#utah youtah (~youtah@216.51.42.66) |
| 23:50.55 | youtah | uhg |
| 23:51.14 | youtah | apparently lifted one of my photos |
| 23:51.18 | youtah | and has it on their site |
| 23:51.29 | youtah | one more DMCA notice coming right up! |
| 23:51.37 | youtah | once again it is my lightning photo "Contact" |
| 23:51.53 | youtah | some site called pixdaus |
| 23:52.50 | youtah | Yup, there it is... http://pixdaus.com/jeff-mcgrath-contact-clouds-landscape-lightning-night-sky/items/view/291686/ |
| 23:52.58 | youtah | at least they gave me credit |
| 23:53.21 | youtah | but no link back |