| 00:12.56 | eightyeight | http://richardhartmann.de/blog/posts/2012/02/RAID-sucks/ |
| 00:12.58 | brac | [RAID sucks] |
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| 15:40.08 | klys | ~quote nok |
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| 19:14.43 | sjansen | http://dehype.org/2012/ubuntu-design/ |
| 19:15.45 | sjansen | It's a real shame he had to suggest Canonical creating a proprietary kernel. Weakens the legitimacy of the rest of the commentary. |
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| 20:13.57 | levi | I don't think the mention of a kernel makes much difference. Most major distros have their own kernel, really. They're all forks, though usually kept very close to the mainline kernel. |
| 20:29.48 | levi | Anyway, his argument boils down to, 'I don't like what they're doing, so it's wrong'. |
| 20:33.31 | levi | There's a *huge* amount of inertia in the Linux and open source communities in general. Incidental stuff gets dogmatized due to advocacy efforts. People get very resistant to change, not for any rational reason, but just because they love Z and therefore the way Z does things must be the right way. |
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| 20:44.17 | sjansen | levi: Why are you anti-Linux? Have you even used it? Linux is AWESEOME and your a poopy head! |
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| 20:45.38 | NoCoolName_Tom | You're |
| 20:45.48 | NoCoolName_Tom | ;-) |
| 20:46.49 | sjansen | NoCoolName_Tom: That's what you think. Linux really is levi's a poopy head. |
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| 20:49.49 | fozzmoo | I wholeheartedly concur. |
| 20:50.14 | fozzmoo | Yes, absolutely, I do indeed concur wholeheartedly! |
| 20:51.20 | NoCoolName_Tom | I think I just failed horribly at a joke. |
| 20:52.56 | fozzmoo | Me too. |
| 20:54.08 | NoCoolName_Tom | np. Does anyone here have a favorite distro for a MacBookPro, or any tips on installing such? |
| 20:54.28 | levi | I like OS X on a MacBookPro. |
| 20:54.36 | NoCoolName_Tom | lol |
| 20:54.49 | sjansen | Not a joke. |
| 20:55.03 | NoCoolName_Tom | I know. I'd be dualbooting. I like Lion a lot. |
| 20:55.05 | sjansen | Well, the typo was a joke. Levi's recommendation of Mac OS X wasn't a joke. |
| 20:55.11 | NoCoolName_Tom | But still a good answer. |
| 20:55.39 | sjansen | Dual booting sucks. Virtualization for the win. |
| 20:55.57 | levi | I'd probably use a vm rather than dual-booting. I don't really know what runs well natively on Mac hardware these days. |
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| 20:57.28 | NoCoolName_Tom | OK. Thanks. |
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| 20:59.45 | fungus | NoCoolName_Tom, Ubuntu runs fairly well on Macs nowdays, but I second the suggestion to use a VM. |
| 21:00.17 | levi | I think QNX and Plan 9 are both better unix systems, from a system programming point of view, than Linux is. They would not fit as well as Linux in the domains that Linux has been optimized for lately, but I think that's more of an issue of the hours spent adapting it than fundamental problems. And both of those are still pretty old as far as ideas go. |
| 21:03.53 | levi | QNX is in a pretty unfortunate situtation these days, now that they're owned by RIM. |
| 21:04.24 | sjansen | levi: http://imgur.com/fqIlw |
| 21:04.58 | sjansen | (BTW, if anyone can find a highres version of that image, I'll be in you're debt for as long as I keep it as my desktop image.) |
| 21:05.20 | levi | The RIM bastards pretty much shut down the nascent pseudo-open-source effort at QNX, and now they're more restrictive than ever. Which is pretty much the stupidest thing they could have done, considering they want to use it as the OS for the smartphone platform. |
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| 21:05.48 | levi | Kitteh! |
| 21:11.14 | levi | Microsoft's Singularity research OS is promising, idea-wise, for very high-performance systems. |
| 21:12.11 | sjansen | They're still working on Singularity? For some reason I thought they achieved proof of concept and shelved it. |
| 21:12.27 | levi | QNX recently redid their entire networking stack. They use a microkernel architecture, which is awesome from a system programming perspective, but the context switch overhead, even though it is cheap, was hurting performance with embedded systems that had high-performance NICs. |
| 21:12.40 | levi | I mean the idea behind it, not the implementation. |
| 21:13.12 | levi | I don't think it was ever intended to be the real basis of a product. |
| 21:14.09 | sjansen | QNX? The new networking stack? |
| 21:14.16 | levi | No, Singularity. |
| 21:14.24 | sjansen | Ah. Heh. |
| 21:15.35 | levi | Anyway, the new networking stack is basically a straight port of an older version of BSD's network stack. Complete with a pretty significant chunk of the BSD's kernel management routines. There's a significant impedance mismatch with the rest of the QNX system. |
| 21:16.49 | levi | With Singularity-style Software Isolated Processes, you could effectively combine the clean API and safety of microkernel systems with the efficiency of monolithic kernel systems. |
| 21:19.15 | levi | There has been some recent research in the language research realm on type systems that can bring safety to systems-level programming without requiring a boatload of type annotation boilerplate, too. |
| 21:21.23 | levi | I'm pretty sure none of this stuff is quite fully-baked and ready for production, but I think the main thing lacking now is an entity with sufficient funds to keep a project going beyond the typical Ph.D. thesis time period. |
| 21:23.00 | levi | If you look at the Computer Language Benchmarks Game, you'll see a language called ATS. |
| 21:24.29 | levi | The performance profile, both in time and memory, is remarkably similar to C and C++. |
| 21:27.01 | levi | It's actually an ML-style functional language, though, with an advanced type system. |
| 21:28.04 | levi | I think it may be a bit lacking in the usability department at the moment, but certainly not in the performance department. |
| 21:30.52 | romanovic | fozzmoo stopped the self destruct sequence |
| 21:42.31 | friocorte | sjansen: tried tineye.com? |
| 21:42.46 | sjansen | friocorte: yup |
| 21:43.42 | friocorte | no luck on the kitteh picture? |
| 21:46.29 | sjansen | sadly, no |
| 21:46.37 | sjansen | But perhaps my tineye-fu is weak. |
| 21:54.52 | Jayce^ | you need to flare your tin |
| 21:55.05 | Jayce^ | wonders how many others will get the joke.. |
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| 22:01.20 | NoCoolName_Tom | I had to wikipedia TinEye to see when they were started. Holy cow, I can't believe that is coincedental! |
| 22:10.28 | mahelious | what is may 2008? |
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| 23:10.05 | eightyeight | a month and a year |
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| 23:18.35 | mahelious | fraid i still dont know whats funny about when tineye started. whats the coincidence (or lack of)? |
| 23:36.13 | NoCoolName_Tom | Have you read the Mistborn trilogy? |
| 23:39.16 | NoCoolName_Tom | If not, you should. It has a magic system based on "burning" ingested metals; most of the rare magic users can "burn" one type of metal that gives them a power like magnetic attraction/repulsion to themselves at will to objects, strength, or enchanced senses (that one is burning tin). So to flare tin would be to briefly enhance your sight and sound sensing. In the trilogy, tin burners are called "tineyes". |
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| 23:55.02 | b4dave | I am new to the Linux community. I would like to get involved. Is there a local Linux group in Salt Lake? |
| 23:55.26 | sjansen | http://sllug.org/ |
| 23:55.37 | b4dave | Thank you. |
| 23:56.00 | sjansen | Historically, Plug is more active. http://plug.org/ |
| 23:56.50 | shalkie | The Ogden Area Linux User Group (http://www.oalug.com) has seen some resurgence too. |
| 23:56.53 | b4dave | That makes sense. sllug.org has not been updated since December of 2010. |
| 23:57.45 | eightyeight | oalug tries to remain active, and we do a fairly good job |
| 23:57.50 | sjansen | The UUG has faded from its former glory. http://uug.byu.edu/ |
| 23:58.50 | sjansen | b4dave: Never trust SLLUG's site. Always check the list. |
| 23:59.14 | b4dave | Good info. Thanks. |
| 23:59.26 | eightyeight | never trust sjansen either |
| 23:59.43 | RyanE | never trust anyone who trusts sjansen either |
| 23:59.59 | RyanE | It's what we call the 'web of distrust'. :) |