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| 17:09.45 | saturdayplace | anyone see: http://jobpoacher.com |
| 17:11.46 | jima | woooooow. |
| 17:13.07 | saturdayplace | I see recruiters just frothing at the mouth. |
| 17:13.40 | jima | no kidding! |
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| 17:15.19 | jima | ah, registered last month. |
| 17:19.18 | saturdayplace | the hackernews thread said they just put the site up this weekend. |
| 17:19.27 | fozzmoo | Interesting. |
| 17:19.46 | fozzmoo | http://jobpoacher.com/ |
| 17:20.17 | jima | the domain, i meant |
| 17:20.24 | saturdayplace | right |
| 17:20.39 | jima | i was just thinking, "damn, maybe i didn't need to move to utah after all," but that came later anyway. ;-) |
| 17:20.40 | fozzmoo | Hmmm. Didn't mean to paste that. Sorry. |
| 17:21.38 | fozzmoo | They're going to need to implement some way of filtering the "Poachees" list. |
| 17:21.49 | fozzmoo | No recruiter has time to scan all that. |
| 17:22.07 | saturdayplace | I imagine it'll slow down a bit. |
| 17:22.20 | saturdayplace | But I have no doubts that at least a handful of recruiters will take the time. |
| 17:24.12 | jima | fozzmoo: i was thinking much the same. good grief. |
| 17:24.18 | jima | even a search mechanism... |
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| 17:29.22 | jima | ah, yes, only 2 days of backlog |
| 17:29.37 | jima | err, 1 hour + 1 post 2 days ago |
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| 17:49.29 | Sargun_Screen | jima: aw, what's wrong with utah |
| 17:49.36 | Sargun_Screen | jima: Why didy ou go to Utah anyway |
| 17:49.40 | Sargun_Screen | as opposed to you know, like LA? |
| 17:49.56 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:50.08 | eightyeight | aren't most people mass-migrating out of california, because of places like LA? |
| 17:50.36 | eightyeight | http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=kf7tgg1uo9ude_&met_y=population&idim=state:06000&dl=en&hl=en&q=california+population says otherwise |
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| 17:51.34 | fozzmoo | Businesses are. |
| 17:51.36 | jima | Sargun_Screen: nothing's wrong with utah. it's more of a bit of melancholy that i had to move away from my home state of ~30 years in order to make any upward progress, professionally. |
| 17:51.47 | fozzmoo | Illegal immigrants, OTOH, are not. |
| 17:52.08 | brkpt | Low cost of living is a plus |
| 17:52.44 | jima | the cost of living here isn't appreciably lower than minnesota. |
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| 17:53.55 | fozzmoo | When I was in MN, albeit 14 years ago, food prices were lower than in UT. |
| 17:54.54 | brkpt | Even in the Minneapolis/St Paul metro? |
| 17:56.09 | fozzmoo | That's where I was. |
| 17:56.31 | fozzmoo | I just remember going to the grocery store and noticing a can of whatever was as much as 10 or 15 cents cheaper than in UT. |
| 17:56.41 | jima | brkpt: little known secret: statistically, there isn't that much else in minnesota. ;-) |
| 17:56.44 | fozzmoo | eightyeight: Here's the map I was thinking of: http://www.forbes.com/special-report/2011/migration.html |
| 17:56.47 | brac | [American Migration [Interactive Map] - Forbes] |
| 17:57.14 | fozzmoo | That map shows that outbound migration for LA County remains higher than inbound. |
| 17:57.49 | eightyeight | interesting |
| 17:57.50 | programmerq | I wouldn't mind living somewhere other than utah at some point. I've always just figured I'd move around every 5-7 years or so. I didn't plan on there being so many tech companies in utah though. :p |
| 17:58.03 | programmerq | not that there's anything wrong with utah |
| 17:58.12 | fozzmoo | programmerq++ |
| 17:58.23 | eightyeight | utah is fairly fertile for the tech industry, as i understand it |
| 17:58.26 | jima | there are plenty of tech companies in MN, but apparently none of them wanted me. :-\ |
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| 17:59.39 | eightyeight | i like what utah has to offer, mostly due to the mountains. i enjoy hiking, camping, skiing, ... |
| 18:00.04 | eightyeight | i like the 4 seasons as well, although this winter has been odd |
| 18:00.08 | Sargun_Screen | fozzmoo: I like immigrants - they clean my house for half what a normal person would charge |
| 18:00.24 | Sargun_Screen | fozzmoo: *non-engineering businesses |
| 18:00.26 | eightyeight | Sargun_Screen: immigrants aren't normal people? |
| 18:00.53 | programmerq | yes, this winter has indeed been odd |
| 18:01.51 | Sargun_Screen | eightyeight: They're typically willing to take worse jobs because they can't get hired many places |
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| 18:02.27 | jima | i don't care for skiing (or the outdoors at all, really), but i still think utah is a nice place to live. |
| 18:02.30 | eightyeight | i'm only interested in your definition of what a "normal person" is, not the job market |
| 18:02.48 | jima | you just have to deal with your family continuing to freak out about the "ZOMG MORMONS" |
| 18:02.58 | eightyeight | heh |
| 18:02.58 | jima | (family who don't live here, that is) |
| 18:03.07 | Sargun_Screen | eightyeight: Someone who can get verified by DHS, and employment |
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| 18:03.55 | eightyeight | Sargun_Screen: isn't that the same thinking we had about black slaves? |
| 18:04.07 | fugue88 | eightyeight: This time it's different. |
| 18:04.08 | fugue88 | Honest. |
| 18:04.50 | eightyeight | heh |
| 18:05.27 | Sargun_Screen | fugue88: These people are coming over voluntarily for one. |
| 18:05.51 | Sargun_Screen | Also, nobody was stupid enough to invent the DHS until now. |
| 18:06.18 | fugue88 | hahah! |
| 18:06.24 | eightyeight | so, unless you have a SSN, and are employed, you're not a "normal person". so, then what are you? |
| 18:06.30 | programmerq | has considered going as a border patrol officer for halloween. |
| 18:06.47 | fugue88 | programmerq: Go as a TSA agent. Frisk the candy-givers. |
| 18:07.09 | jima | that's...potentially fun. |
| 18:08.10 | programmerq | I served my mission in southern california-- I've been mistaken as border patrol before. It actually can be quite amusing. |
| 18:08.10 | Sargun_Screen | eightyeight: Well, I think you don't need the SSN - just proof you're leaving here legally. |
| 18:08.58 | jima | leaving...living? |
| 18:09.15 | Sargun_Screen | *living |
| 18:09.16 | jima | Sargun_Screen: LEARN ENGLISH, FOREIGNER. |
| 18:09.16 | Sargun_Screen | thanks, jima |
| 18:09.40 | Sargun_Screen | :P |
| 18:09.43 | jima | :-D |
| 18:09.45 | eightyeight | osio eightyeight dawado |
| 18:09.45 | JoshH | jima: tell your family they're swarming your house like zombies calling for you |
| 18:09.55 | fugue88 | re: living here legally: http://www.coyotescorner.com/tshirts-hs6.htm |
| 18:09.58 | brac | [The Original Homeland Security Fighting Terrorism Since 1492 Shirt] |
| 18:10.01 | programmerq | considers selling his 1U servers |
| 18:10.04 | jima | JoshH: my family (the ones here) joke about that kind of stuff. |
| 18:10.10 | jima | programmerq: how much? ;-) |
| 18:10.58 | jima | my 12yo sister in law joked "AAAA they're mauling my face!!!" me: "no, that's a wolverine." "...oh." |
| 18:11.00 | programmerq | they are both compaq proliant Dl360s-- dual P3. One is supposed to be just a parts machine. |
| 18:11.11 | programmerq | I'd let them both go for like $70 |
| 18:11.29 | programmerq | I need funds for my next desktop build |
| 18:11.30 | jima | oooo |
| 18:12.00 | jima | how much ram? |
| 18:12.04 | programmerq | I don't recall |
| 18:12.06 | programmerq | I'd have to look |
| 18:12.28 | jima | nods |
| 18:12.35 | programmerq | I haven't used them in a while. |
| 18:12.45 | jima | no rush, i'd have to run it through procurement anyway |
| 18:13.03 | programmerq | if I had a rack and a san to go with them I'd be much more inclined to keep them. |
| 18:13.10 | programmerq | they'd run something like nginx like a charm |
| 18:13.19 | jima | i had to dump my rack before i came here, sadly. |
| 18:13.41 | programmerq | the guy I bought them from said that the parts one just had a bad scsi controller |
| 18:13.57 | programmerq | I've never played with it, but if that's the case, then if you boot from network you should be good to go. |
| 18:14.09 | programmerq | I don't know that the parts one has ram, and I think it might only have one CPU |
| 18:14.24 | programmerq | I'll have to figure all that out |
| 18:17.14 | Sargun_Screen | doesn't have enough room for a rack in his new house |
| 18:17.17 | Sargun_Screen | :[ |
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| 18:19.49 | jima | does, but only in the garage -- ugh. |
| 18:20.04 | Sargun_Screen | jima: How many sq. ft you got? |
| 18:20.06 | jima | i don't have a proper utility room anymore...and i'm renting, regardless. |
| 18:20.24 | jima | something like 3500? but we've got 7 people. |
| 18:21.07 | jima | imo, too much of the place is finished |
| 18:22.05 | jima | there are some nice closets/storage rooms that would make a great hideaway for servers, but no power outlets, and the whole house sucks for installing new wiring (i.e., cat5). |
| 18:22.07 | Sargun_Screen | holy crap. |
| 18:22.23 | Sargun_Screen | Oh, I got Cat6 throughout my house :D |
| 18:22.28 | Sargun_Screen | and a wiring closet. |
| 18:22.36 | Sargun_Screen | and a 100 mbit feed into my house. |
| 18:22.43 | Sargun_Screen | and 30 amp power |
| 18:22.46 | jima | we had cat5e throughout our old house |
| 18:22.49 | Sargun_Screen | and...480 sq. ft. |
| 18:23.19 | jima | we had about 2600sqft at our old place, 100 amp, and 60/5 |
| 18:24.18 | Sargun_Screen | I don't exactly know the circuit configuration off-hand, I could look when I'm at home |
| 18:24.49 | jima | 60/5 internets :-P |
| 18:25.05 | jima | i'm not sure what our current pipe is |
| 18:25.11 | jima | 50/5 maybe? |
| 18:25.18 | Sargun_Screen | I think it's like 1x240VAC@15 amps of provisioned power |
| 18:25.27 | Sargun_Screen | or is it 2x240VAC. |
| 18:25.53 | Sargun_Screen | It's something like 14.4 kW |
| 18:25.59 | Sargun_Screen | that's provsioned to my house |
| 18:27.00 | Sargun_Screen | but, having 30 amp to all my appliances is awesome :D |
| 18:27.25 | Sargun_Screen | and 100 mbit sync internets is quite convinient for..stuff? |
| 18:27.37 | jima | s/stuff/porn/ |
| 18:27.38 | jima | i know you |
| 18:27.50 | jima | Sargun_Screen: native v6? :-P |
| 18:29.50 | Sargun_Screen | jima: Not yet. Provider's backhaul gear doesn't support it |
| 18:36.06 | programmerq | has started putting in cat6 jacks |
| 18:36.11 | programmerq | it's a pain though |
| 18:36.24 | jima | is it? |
| 18:36.32 | programmerq | in my 100+ year old house? yes. |
| 18:36.43 | jima | been there, done that. i don't envy you. |
| 18:36.56 | Sargun_Screen | I wish my building had fiber. |
| 18:36.58 | programmerq | the easiest jack was between the utility room and the closed |
| 18:37.01 | Sargun_Screen | like to each unit |
| 18:37.06 | programmerq | err |
| 18:37.12 | programmerq | between the utility room and the office |
| 18:37.19 | jima | Sargun_Screen: quitcher whining. |
| 18:37.25 | Sargun_Screen | and them we could get like 4 circuits and use DWDM over dark to 200 paul |
| 18:37.30 | programmerq | the jack is opposite my central box |
| 18:38.06 | Sargun_Screen | Actually, I wonder how much dark would cost from 200 paul to my house |
| 18:38.43 | Sargun_Screen | probably cheaper to get a 10Gig wave actually |
| 18:41.08 | jima | where would you store the stuff that'd consume that kind of bandwidth? ;-) |
| 18:41.50 | Sargun_Screen | jima: who said anything about storage? |
| 18:42.02 | Sargun_Screen | So, I got level 3 fiber that's right outside of my house |
| 18:42.10 | Sargun_Screen | and att that's across the street |
| 18:42.28 | Sargun_Screen | I wonder how much build cost from the street would be |
| 18:43.45 | jima | generally when people go to that kind of expense for bandwidth, they do it for an actual technical reason, not just to inflate their vpenis. |
| 18:44.08 | jima | by "stuff" i meant hardware, not the downloaded data |
| 18:45.11 | JoshH | jima: unless they're using it to download porn, then it could be both |
| 18:45.26 | Sargun_Screen | jima: Well, I was looking at 8k HD streaming :P |
| 18:45.40 | jima | JoshH: touche. |
| 18:45.58 | jima | wavers on the "doesn't want to know" brink |
| 18:46.30 | saturdayplace | WTF are you streaming at 8K? Where are you getting these 8K streams? |
| 18:46.38 | saturdayplace | :D |
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| 21:38.19 | eightyeight | http://etbe.coker.com.au/2012/02/06/reliability-raid/ |
| 21:43.00 | programmerq | interesting |
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| 22:25.50 | Tene | My company is extending their recommendation bonus program to also include paying people who give me a recommendation, so if you know anyone who's looking for work and interested in moving to California, feel free to ask me for details. |
| 22:26.20 | jima | i might consider it if not for the wife-killing-me angle. |
| 22:27.08 | Tene | jima: your wife would kill you for getting paid for recommending someone else? |
| 22:27.30 | jima | oh, oh...i didn't parse that correctly |
| 22:27.45 | jima | what kinda work? |
| 22:27.51 | Tene | Ah; yeah, on re-reading, it's kind of awkward. |
| 22:28.00 | jima | yep, just a bit :-) |
| 22:28.11 | jima | my wife would kill me if i got relocated again |
| 22:28.17 | Tene | http://imvu.jobscore.com/list -- mostly web dev, some sysadmin, and others. |
| 22:28.54 | Tene | Normally, if I recommend someone, they pay me $5k. During February, if I give them a recommendation from someone else, they both me and whoever originated the recommendation $5k. |
| 22:29.04 | goozbach | I'll keep my eyes/ears open |
| 22:29.04 | jima | holey carp. |
| 22:29.08 | Tene | That is, if I recommend someone that is then hired. |
| 22:29.14 | jima | well yeah |
| 22:29.19 | Tene | $2.5k on hiring, the other half after 90 days. |
| 22:29.27 | jima | i wonder how much the guy who recommended me for this position got. |
| 22:31.04 | Tene | Looks like they don't have the sysadmin post up there yet; they just decided on the hiring plan for the year. |
| 22:31.07 | Migs | $5k ain't bad |
| 22:31.29 | Migs | seriously, that's actually phenomenal compared to many employee referral programs |
| 22:32.31 | Tene | The website is mostly php, although new web services are being deployed in nodejs, erlang, and python, I think. The client is a mix of C++, python, and web stuff. |
| 22:34.04 | shalkie | So it is 5k each? or they split the 5k between the two? |
| 22:34.40 | Tene | On hiring the new employee, I get $2.5k and you get $2.5k. After 90 days, we both get $2.5k again. |
| 22:35.11 | jima | that's...pretty insane. |
| 22:35.33 | jima | Tene: yeah, i was noticing the sysadmin one was notably missing :-) |
| 22:36.16 | Tene | If you want more details about sysadmin stuff here, feel free to /msg me. |
| 22:37.37 | shalkie | Interesting. |
| 22:37.39 | Tene | They're not that fond of remote work. When I've asked HR about it previously, they've said that they might be okay with remote work, but it would require some period of on-site work first for initial spin-up and integration; I think three months. |
| 22:40.22 | shalkie | So Tene, I know this guy named sjansen, he just LOVES doing PHP coding. I am sure he would be willing to relocate to help us both out with the monies. :-) |
| 22:40.40 | shalkie | waits for the inevitable larting to commence. |
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| 22:54.05 | eightyeight | ~shalkie++ |
| 22:56.09 | jima | suddenly realizes it's almost 4:00 |
| 22:57.19 | jima | goes home, then. |
| 22:57.38 | programmerq | is excited for splunk training this week |
| 22:58.18 | programmerq | sjansen: do you have any opinion about splunk? |
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| 23:09.12 | jessie | What *is* splunk? |
| 23:09.45 | Tene | log aggregation and searching |
| 23:14.40 | jessie | Hmmm... Interesting. |
| 23:20.08 | sjansen | programmerq: Nope. But if it's written in PHP I have a first impression. |
| 23:21.43 | eightyeight | wonders if bind can do some sort of peer-to-peer without master/slave replication |
| 23:34.06 | programmerq | sjansen: it's in python |
| 23:36.08 | programmerq | but yeah, splunk is actually pretty cool. I did have my reservations about it initially though. |
| 23:36.48 | zachwily | it's python and C |
| 23:47.04 | saturdayplace | anyone put any stock on GIAC certifications? |
| 23:50.04 | sjansen | saturdayplace: You know what they say, if it's not Scottish it's... |
| 23:50.21 | saturdayplace | I must be unaware of that particular idiom. |
| 23:50.22 | sjansen | realizes that could be taken as an opinion |
| 23:50.29 | shalkie | Red Hat is Scottish? |
| 23:50.42 | sjansen | had no intention of actually conveying any useful information |
| 23:50.54 | shalkie | To late, your cover has been blown. |
| 23:50.57 | shalkie | :-P |
| 23:51.13 | sjansen | doesn't even know what GIAC is |
| 23:51.15 | saturdayplace | sjansen: yeah, but now you have to teach me about the Scottish thing. |
| 23:51.45 | saturdayplace | Hm. Googles tell me it's an SNL reference |
| 23:52.09 | saturdayplace | youtube rabbit hole in 3... 2... 1... |
| 23:52.44 | sjansen | saturdayplace: http://bit.ly/yJbSx7 |
| 23:53.06 | saturdayplace | lart saturdayplace |