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| 17:09.16 | kendsnyder | Help! I'm on RHEL 5 trying to install something to convert .doc and .xls to PDF from the command line. I tried `yum install python-openoffice.noarch` but it has a missing dependency for openoffice.org-pyuno. I tried to install the package manually but ended up in dependency hell. How can I find a yum source that has these open office packages? Or is there an easy way to list and map out dependencies? |
| 17:10.22 | sjansen | The only way to map dependencies without yum is to hunt down RPMs one by one and try to install them. Back in the day, we used to call that RPM hell. |
| 17:11.23 | jsmith | suspects a case of incompatible repositories |
| 17:11.39 | goozbach | also suspects repo issues |
| 17:11.47 | kendsnyder | ha ha RPM hell |
| 17:11.52 | goozbach | kendsnyder: do you understand recursion? |
| 17:11.57 | sjansen | Hate to say it, but your easiest option might be to install another distro in a VM and use that. RHEL5 is getting pretty long in the tooth. |
| 17:12.04 | goozbach | if not, you soon will. |
| 17:12.06 | goozbach | :) |
| 17:12.35 | kendsnyder | goozbach: i understand recursion in the programming sense |
| 17:12.38 | sjansen | goozbach: How is this an example of recursion? |
| 17:13.09 | sjansen | If a package depended on itself, that would be recursion. This is just an example of a dependency graph. |
| 17:13.24 | goozbach | aparently doesn't understand recursion |
| 17:13.36 | goozbach | or how to spell apparently, apparently |
| 17:13.37 | sjansen | kendsnyder: I just installed python-openoffice on RHEL6 from EPEL. |
| 17:13.40 | kendsnyder | yah, RHEL was not my choice. I will consider changing to ubuntu or something |
| 17:13.47 | kendsnyder | what is EPEL |
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| 17:14.18 | sjansen | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL <-- The only repo I recommend using with RHEL. |
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| 17:14.59 | kendsnyder | and pardon my ignorance, off hand do you know where the sources list is that I can add that EPEL address? |
| 17:15.08 | sjansen | Well, maybe Adobe's flash repo. And Google's Chrome repo. And rpmfusion for media stuff. But mostly I recommend EPEL. |
| 17:15.28 | sjansen | rpm -ivh http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/5/i386/epel-release-5-4.noarch.rpm |
| 17:15.39 | fugue88 | As a structure, a dependency graph is naturally recursive: a node, of type T, references other nodes, also of type T. |
| 17:16.12 | sjansen | Run that exact command. RPM understands FTP and HTTP. The yum repo definition is conveniently packaged in the RPM. |
| 17:16.15 | fugue88 | No loops are necessary for it to be recursive. |
| 17:16.20 | kendsnyder | sjansen: package epel-release-5-4.noarch is already installed |
| 17:17.10 | sjansen | So you need to either disable all other repos, or accept that EPEL accidentally broken python-openoffice because no one cares enough to notice. |
| 17:17.39 | kendsnyder | ha ha ha yes no one cares |
| 17:17.51 | sjansen | If the problem is another repo, disabling everything else should work. If the problem is EPEL, you're doomed unless you want to build packages by hand. |
| 17:18.07 | kendsnyder | well that open office route is kind of old, but libre office doesn't have a good headless mode to convert docs to pdfs |
| 17:18.23 | kendsnyder | is there an easy way to move from RHEL5 to RHEL6? |
| 17:18.28 | sjansen | no |
| 17:18.34 | jsmith | kendsnyder: Yeah, goozbach can do it for you :-p |
| 17:18.34 | goozbach | fugue88: so my "I need to install this package, look for dependancy, the dependancy needs another package" *IS* an example of recursion? |
| 17:18.36 | jsmith | ducks and hides |
| 17:18.50 | kendsnyder | ha ha sweet, free sysadmin goozbach! |
| 17:19.03 | jsmith | kendsnyder: But no, there's no easy way -- short of backing up the data, re-installing, and copying your data back |
| 17:19.03 | goozbach | kendsnyder: I've moved a system from rhel5 to rhel6 |
| 17:19.12 | fugue88 | goozbach: The structure is recursive, yes. The algorithm to resolve those dependencies may be implemented recursivel or iteratively. |
| 17:19.16 | jsmith | goozbach: But I'll bet you didn't do it for free... |
| 17:19.21 | sjansen | You can upgrade specific versions of RHEL5 to specific versions of RHEL6 using the install DVD. Red Hat has the details documented. |
| 17:19.35 | goozbach | sjansen: where?! |
| 17:19.49 | goozbach | I did it by figuring it out on my semi-own |
| 17:19.54 | sjansen | On their web site. ;-) |
| 17:20.08 | goozbach | jsmith: does it count as free if you've not submitted an invoice yet? |
| 17:20.09 | goozbach | :) |
| 17:20.22 | kendsnyder | Well I'm working on Rackspace servers. Does Rackspace have some easy way to install and migrate to another distro? |
| 17:20.28 | jsmith | goozbach: Absolutely it does! |
| 17:21.02 | sjansen | I've seen the RHEL 5.x to RHEL 6.x mapping somewhere, but I don't remember where. Maybe the install guide. |
| 17:21.03 | goozbach | fugue88: so I wasn't incorrect in calling rpm dependancy hell a recursive problem |
| 17:21.25 | fugue88 | No, you weren't. :) |
| 17:21.31 | sjansen | Dependency cycles do happen, but they shouldn't. |
| 17:21.43 | kendsnyder | if I'm going to migrate its going to be ubuntu. I'm just a web developer and all the ubuntu servers I've worked with have been so painless |
| 17:21.59 | goozbach | sjansen: I did an *INSTAIN* amount of googling when I was working on that solution and never saw a redhat document other than to say "not supported" |
| 17:22.12 | goozbach | yay! I was correct |
| 17:22.25 | goozbach | I wasn't not correct! |
| 17:22.28 | goozbach | yay! |
| 17:22.31 | fugue88 | ~dict instain |
| 17:22.39 | goozbach | ~babby |
| 17:22.39 | ibot | somebody said babby was http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf |
| 17:22.52 | sjansen | No, you still weren't. You claimed that in order to install python-openoffice he would have to deal with recusion. It doesn't have a cycle, therefore no recursion. |
| 17:22.57 | kendsnyder | "insane"? |
| 17:23.09 | goozbach | kendsnyder: it's a play off of babby |
| 17:23.47 | fugue88 | goozbach: Wow. |
| 17:24.07 | sjansen | kendsnyder: Switch to Ubuntu and you'll have a different set of problems. If you think they'll be more manageable, that's your call. |
| 17:24.27 | goozbach | where should I go for lunch? |
| 17:24.42 | fugue88 | sjansen: Where should goozbach go for lunch. |
| 17:24.46 | fugue88 | recurses |
| 17:24.57 | kendsnyder | well it is a simple lamp stack. The only non-standard things to install are image magick and this open office thing |
| 17:25.01 | jsmith | goozbach: Chicken sandwiches are calling you.... |
| 17:25.03 | sjansen | goozbach is in the mood for barbecue. |
| 17:25.25 | kendsnyder | so another approach: does anyone know another way to convert office docs to pdf from the command line? |
| 17:25.27 | fugue88 | goozbach: You're in the mood for bbq |
| 17:26.11 | jsmith | kendsnyder: I've heard of people installing cups-pdf and then having open office print the files to the PDF printer |
| 17:26.29 | sjansen | fugue88: But he shouldn't go to a chain like Famous Dave's. It's Friday, he should treat himself to a local mom and pop place. |
| 17:26.44 | goozbach | ohhh /me grabs his truck and heads to freshair bbq |
| 17:26.48 | goozbach | thanks guys! |
| 17:26.55 | goozbach | s/guys/sjansen/ |
| 17:26.57 | jsmith | goozbach: Bon apetite! |
| 17:27.12 | kendsnyder | jsmith: interesting. should install libre office or open office? |
| 17:27.21 | sjansen | notices that it's actually Thurday (Oh well, close enough.) |
| 17:27.40 | jsmith | kendsnyder: Not sure you're going to find LibreOffice RPMs for RHEL/CentOS 5 |
| 17:27.47 | jsmith | sjansen: It's always Friday somewhere on the Internet |
| 17:27.52 | kendsnyder | i see |
| 17:28.12 | sjansen | kendsnyder: You'll still have to deal with the headless problem. Xvfb might help, but I don't know if you'll be able to automate launching of the script. |
| 17:29.25 | sjansen | What you're trying to do is outside RHEL's normal purview. Running OOo on a server is pretty strange. |
| 17:30.07 | sjansen | (I know. I investigated doing it in the past and decided it wasn't worth the hassle.) |
| 17:30.08 | kendsnyder | maybe there is an online service that converts docs to pdf? anyone heard of that? |
| 17:30.54 | jsmith | kendsnyder: acrobat.com will do that |
| 17:31.00 | sjansen | There are, but I don't remember names off the top of my head. |
| 17:31.17 | jsmith | (well, as long as you're not allergic to Flash, that is) |
| 17:34.03 | sjansen | http://www.convertapi.com/api/word-pdf-api <-- First one I found with a litte googling. There might be better. |
| 17:35.09 | kendsnyder | thanks for the suggestions. |
| 17:35.58 | kendsnyder | i can't find anything about migrating distros on rackspace. Does anyone know of any guide? Or maybe I just need to contact rackspace customer service? |
| 17:36.34 | sjansen | I doubt they provide a guid for migration. Just start with a fresh system and redo everything. |
| 17:37.14 | kendsnyder | well yah, start with a fresh system but how do I do it without buying a new vm? |
| 17:37.24 | sjansen | You probably don't. |
| 17:37.35 | sjansen | Migration is never fun or cheap. |
| 17:38.04 | jsmith | You may have to pay for two VMs for a short amount of time... |
| 17:38.20 | kendsnyder | i don't like that answer. If I ask again will you give me another answer? :P |
| 17:38.52 | sjansen | You said you're a Web dev. Congratulations, you're starting to understand why sysadmins are grumpy. |
| 17:39.39 | kendsnyder | lmao |
| 17:39.51 | jsmith | kendsnyder: No, but you'll get the same answer from me as well. Software isn't an island. It's more like a pony -- you have to feed it, clean up after it, take it to the vet from time to time, etc. |
| 17:40.12 | jalbretsen | sjansen: Shutup you jerk, I'm NOT grumpy! |
| 17:40.13 | sjansen | Shall we now discuss your long term support options? Or were you hoping to have a good day? |
| 17:41.03 | kendsnyder | i guess i just thought my long-term support option would be `sudo apt-get update` on ubuntu. what else is there? |
| 17:41.47 | sjansen | jalbretsen: Yeah, yeah, I've already heard your threats. Go ahead and reject 33% of my incoming email, most of it's spam anyway. |
| 17:42.39 | jalbretsen | don't make me move your internet connection from the GB to the MB switch in the server room |
| 17:42.40 | sjansen | kendsnyder: Ah, but where is python-openoffice coming from? Probably Universe. I suggest you study up on its support guarantees. |
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| 17:43.47 | sjansen | Not that EPEL is any better. |
| 17:44.17 | kendsnyder | my coworker installed python-openoffice on ubuntu without any fuss |
| 17:44.47 | sjansen | Installing today and upgrading in 18 months are two very different things. |
| 17:46.48 | kendsnyder | sjansen: `sudo apt-get upgrade` seems pretty easy? Is there more to it? *ducks because he's naive* |
| 17:47.11 | jsmith | kendsnyder: Of course there's more to it |
| 17:47.21 | kendsnyder | pony poop? |
| 17:47.25 | sjansen | kendsnyder: You're assuming anyone will provide you will an upgrade. |
| 17:48.42 | kendsnyder | sjansen what do you mean by "anyone will provide you will an upgrade." |
| 17:49.09 | sjansen | And you planning on going with 10.04 or 10.10? Goingn with an LTS is less hassle in the short term, but most of Universe is basically ignored within 9 months. If you get on the upgrade treadmill, going with 10.10 means you'll have ongoing support, but upgrading every 6 months is it's own kind of hell. |
| 17:49.53 | jalbretsen | gives sjansen his own kind of hell |
| 17:50.12 | sjansen | Best case scenario, you got with 10.04, don't care about OOo upgrades, and don't have to migrate until 2015. |
| 17:50.32 | kendsnyder | i guess my only experience with upgrading ubuntu was on my desktop at home. Upgrade was just prompted by the update manager and worked flawlessly. The server experience isn't as easy? |
| 17:51.23 | sjansen | And this is why sysadmins hates developers. |
| 17:51.27 | jsmith | kendsnyder: No, it never is |
| 17:51.54 | kendsnyder | and this is why developers love sysadmins :) |
| 17:52.35 | kendsnyder | unfortunately i'm in a startup and getting sysadmin help may not be easy |
| 17:53.19 | jalbretsen | my company finally decided to get a sysadmin (me) because the developers were not getting anything done because they were being sysadmins |
| 17:53.20 | sjansen | BTW, I've both. Started as a developer, stumbled into system administration. It's mind blowing the difference in perspective. (Sadly, I'm not cool enough to do devoops.) |
| 17:53.39 | sjansen | s/I've/I'm/ |
| 17:53.55 | jsmith | has done both sides too |
| 17:54.23 | jalbretsen | sjansen: So does the developer in you hate the sysadmin in you? |
| 17:54.32 | sjansen | Here's the short version: As a developer you're used to being omnipotent. You view the system as a tool. |
| 17:54.37 | sjansen | jalbretsen: probably |
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| 17:54.40 | kendsnyder | well thanks for the help and insight! gotta go |
| 17:55.04 | jalbretsen | It's like Dr. Who. The 2nd sjansen hates the 3rd sjansen. |
| 17:55.24 | sjansen | As a sysadmin, you discover that the universe hates you. All computers are boxes of pain that must be treated with care. |
| 17:57.38 | sjansen | kendsnyder: BTW, you should have mentioned you work for a startup. If you're an early stage startup still pivoting to find a model, you shouldn't worry about sysadmin stuff. You can clean up the mess after you find your market. (As long as the mess doesn't kill you first.) |
| 17:58.01 | jalbretsen | now hates sjansen |
| 17:58.08 | jalbretsen | guess what I'm still cleaning up after a year |
| 17:58.41 | sjansen | jalbretsen: Sorry, it's the truth. |
| 17:58.58 | jalbretsen | luckily in the past year, I've kept up with updates on the servers, so come audit time, the solution won't be "Lets run yum update on the the servers before he gets here" |
| 18:00.11 | sjansen | System administration is about long term maintainability. Early stage startups are about desperately scrambling just to stay alive. After the business has stabilized, then you bring in the professionals. |
| 18:00.51 | jalbretsen | guess it keeps sysadmins employed |
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| 18:15.58 | goozbach | so I stood up and asked the office if anyone wanted fresh air bbq and the token veggie said the entire company just left fkr there. |
| 18:16.49 | sjansen | goozbach: fkr? |
| 18:17.21 | goozbach | for |
| 18:18.15 | goozbach | so I get there and they are already there. |
| 18:18.29 | goozbach | it's like a 15 minute drive from the office |
| 18:19.02 | eightyeight | i guess that tells you what they think you of as a lunch buddy |
| 18:21.20 | sjansen | Clearly they are intimidated by goozbach's awesomeness. |
| 18:40.51 | goozbach | either that or the effetiveness of my headphones at blocking out sound |
| 18:46.00 | Jayce^ | dude, even /whispering/ the words bbq should pierce any cloud.. |
| 18:46.26 | Jayce^ | smoked meat.. the true food of manhood |
| 18:48.15 | neybar | food |
| 18:48.35 | Jayce^ | tommy's? |
| 18:48.42 | Jayce^ | still a lot to try there |
| 18:52.45 | goozbach | Jayce^: maybe it did, sjansen did you hear them talking about BBQ through my laptop mic and suggest it? |
| 18:54.28 | sjansen | declines to comment on what monitoring software he may or may not have installed on goozbach's system |
| 18:55.35 | goozbach | all I can say is good job, I've re-installed this system three times from different media |
| 18:55.38 | goozbach | so well done |
| 19:04.17 | resplin | Whenever I think of BBQ I think of this song: |
| 19:04.19 | resplin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubTQfr_tyY |
| 19:07.41 | goozbach | loves that song |
| 19:07.49 | goozbach | has to listen to it each time I have bbq |
| 19:08.44 | goozbach | bbq is not a verb |
| 19:11.42 | sjansen | notes that goozbach is being absorbed into the borg collective |
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| 19:51.55 | sjansen | Man I love git rebase -i! |
| 19:52.12 | goozbach | s/rebase -i//g |
| 19:53.13 | fozzmoo | I feel I understand git about... 5% |
| 19:53.16 | fozzmoo | I use it every day. |
| 19:53.22 | fozzmoo | And, yes, I love it. |
| 19:53.37 | fozzmoo | But I'm a "mere mortal," as Linus put it. |
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| 20:01.53 | resplin | Git is very powerful, but very non-intuitive. It drives me crazy. |
| 20:02.07 | resplin | (I wish Mercurial wasn't so slow.) |
| 20:02.53 | sjansen | Non-intuitive at first. The more I work with it and understand the background machinery, the more intuitive it becomes. |
| 20:03.38 | sjansen | I still don't grok git, but after using it for several years I feel it's attainable. |
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| 20:05.28 | sjansen | Perhaps part of that is painfully learning to cut with git's grain instead of a against. If you're stuck with an awkward process, I can see git being more mysterious. |
| 20:06.19 | sjansen | One of the hardest transitions I had was to not think about patches but instead snapshots. |
| 20:07.07 | sjansen | That, and understanding the reflog well enough to feel confident that I'm unlikely to screw up so badly that data is truly lost. |
| 20:08.36 | goozbach | I've not had a hard time understanding git |
| 20:08.44 | goozbach | not the medium-level stuff anyhow |
| 20:09.07 | goozbach | but I will be the first to admit I really liked what TLA and BAZ did |
| 20:09.16 | goozbach | which explains my brain a bit |
| 20:09.38 | sjansen | This is your brain: @ |
| 20:09.41 | romanovic | I just needed a good way to visualize how a team develops using git |
| 20:09.48 | sjansen | This is your brain on TLA: # |
| 20:09.50 | romanovic | someone shared this link and it helped immensely: |
| 20:09.53 | romanovic | http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ |
| 20:10.05 | brac | [A successful Git branching model » nvie.com] |
| 20:11.03 | romanovic | still getting the hang of git on the command line though. there is much googling. |
| 20:12.07 | goozbach | sjansen: more like this is your brain on TLA: echo -e \{ARCH\}/* |
| 20:12.20 | goozbach | I threw in the -e just for fun |
| 20:12.32 | goozbach | because TLA was a bit over-engineered from the get go |
| 20:13.17 | goozbach | with a lot things built way before they were needed, but ended up being used vastly differently than they were first invisioned |
| 20:13.25 | goozbach | stops talking TLA |
| 20:21.17 | goozbach | romanovic: here's a pretty good rebuttal to that branching model: http://scottchacon.com/2011/08/31/github-flow.html |
| 20:21.17 | brac | [Scott Chacon on the Interwebs] |
| 20:22.46 | goozbach | which boils down to two things |
| 20:23.01 | goozbach | 1) 'master' is always deployable/clean/ready to go |
| 20:23.31 | goozbach | 2) make a descriptive branch off master for your new feature |
| 20:23.46 | goozbach | 3) commit and push often to your branch |
| 20:23.55 | goozbach | 4) when you consider it deployable send a pull-request |
| 20:24.25 | goozbach | 5) review and get signoff of the pull request, merge into master, and deploy ASAP |
| 20:25.08 | romanovic | Sounds simple enough |
| 20:25.34 | sjansen | That's basically our approach at GL, although we do format-patch / am instead of pull for legacy reasons. |
| 20:25.53 | goozbach | if you need to have maint branches make sure to tag properly and you can branch as needed from the tag |
| 20:27.01 | romanovic | Although, if I'm working on a large project and create a new branch for my next release, and continue creating descriptive branches for features or hotfixes that need to be made |
| 20:27.10 | romanovic | then i've basically arrived at the git flow method anyhow |
| 20:28.11 | goozbach | romanovic: are you doing multiple release work at once? |
| 20:28.21 | goozbach | or just historic and "the next release" |
| 20:28.28 | goozbach | ? |
| 20:28.29 | romanovic | but i realize the valid concerns some shops might have, such as unruly scripts and people who aren't ready to jump into command line |
| 20:28.50 | goozbach | is it a product or a service? |
| 20:29.01 | goozbach | that's another important distinction |
| 20:29.53 | romanovic | goozbach: currently i don't. its just one new release at a time, with a very small number of developers |
| 20:30.43 | goozbach | then you can just treat 'master' as 'the next release', and proper use of tags would eliminate all the per-release branches |
| 20:30.45 | romanovic | at a previous job we had a gargantuan software product with multiple future releases in the works at any given time, and they followed no branching model or standard |
| 20:30.54 | romanovic | it was a nightmare |
| 20:31.16 | romanovic | goozbach: yes, and that would probably work for where we are right now |
| 20:32.08 | romanovic | two branches at any one time is all I have ever used at my current job, keeping master always clean and deployable |
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| 20:46.41 | resplin | When i was a build master / release manager I found this book really helpful: |
| 20:46.46 | resplin | http://www.amazon.com/Software-Configuration-Management-Patterns-Integration/dp/0201741172 |
| 20:47.30 | neybar | does anyone know if there is a way to find/replace in vim, but preserve the case of whatever is being replaced? ex: I have foo, Foo, FOO in the doc, and I want to s/foo/bar/ and get bar, Bar, BAR |
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| 21:03.48 | mrpull | neybar: would tr do the trick for you? |
| 21:04.06 | mrpull | I believe newer versions of vim have a built in tr function |
| 21:05.42 | goozbach | neybar: is it from one string to another? |
| 21:05.56 | goozbach | I'd just iterate over the different cases |
| 21:05.59 | goozbach | s/foo/bar/ |
| 21:06.04 | goozbach | s/Foo/Bar/ |
| 21:06.10 | goozbach | s/FOO/BAR/ |
| 21:06.31 | neybar | goozbach: that's too much typing... |
| 21:07.07 | goozbach | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1916195/vim-how-to-preserve-case-for-search-and-replace |
| 21:11.53 | neybar | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1359 |
| 21:11.54 | brac | [SmartCase - replacing words while keeping original lower/uppercase style : vim online] |
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| 21:12.07 | neybar | that seems to be close. |
| 21:13.39 | mrpull | nevermind on tr. it looks to be just character mappings rather than group of character mappings. |
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