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| 14:38.22 | goozbach | morning folkses |
| 14:39.29 | eightyeight | morning |
| 14:42.59 | jima | good grief, is it. |
| 14:45.37 | goozbach | jima: yup it's morning |
| 14:45.59 | jima | it was a comment of dread, not a question. :-| |
| 14:46.21 | jima | just got back from out of town last night. set my alarm clock an hour off. :-\ |
| 14:46.36 | jima | on the plus side, i set it for an hour early. |
| 14:48.29 | goozbach | lucky |
| 14:54.10 | jima | clearly. |
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| 17:18.50 | sjansen | I've been using Linux for more than a decade. |
| 17:19.14 | sjansen | Just seconds ago I used the nl command for the first time in the real world, not just a lecture demo. |
| 17:20.00 | sjansen | leaves to find liquid refreshment to celebrate |
| 17:22.50 | goozbach | really?! |
| 17:22.56 | goozbach | walk us through it! |
| 17:23.17 | rsimpkin1 | http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/24/us/police-use-of-gps-is-ruled-unconstitutional.html |
| 17:23.31 | rsimpkin1 | Where did this rash of common sense come from? I suspect it will be cured soon. |
| 17:23.47 | sjansen | I need to modify the iptables rules on a live system. Normally, I would always edit /etc/sysconfig/iptables and reload. |
| 17:23.51 | goozbach | I've been using Linux just about as as long. I think I find a new use/utitily from the coreutils every year |
| 17:24.16 | sjansen | Can't this time. Too disruptive. |
| 17:24.22 | sjansen | iptables-save | grep INPUT | nl |
| 17:25.23 | sjansen | Granted, I could just insert the new rule at the beginning, but to keep things clean I prefer to insert in the same place as the rule it's replacing. |
| 17:25.41 | goozbach | ahh |
| 17:25.54 | goozbach | so you were replacing an existing rule |
| 17:26.06 | goozbach | and needed to know it's current location |
| 17:26.09 | goozbach | nice |
| 17:28.42 | goozbach | a |
| 17:31.36 | goozbach | points sjansen to 'iptables --line-numbers -L' |
| 17:31.38 | goozbach | :) |
| 17:31.49 | goozbach | sadly it doesn't seem to work with -S |
| 17:31.54 | goozbach | or with iptables-save |
| 18:08.16 | sjansen | points goozbach to iptables-save, the only civilized way to view iptables rules |
| 18:09.39 | sjansen | s/iptables rules/netfilter rules/ |
| 18:11.15 | fadein | There's a domain that I'd like to register. Currently, it looks a bit like thehomepage.com |
| 18:11.26 | fadein | it's one of those stupid link-farm things |
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| 18:11.54 | fadein | do I have to buy the domain from the scumbag that's hosting that garbage, or is there a better way to replace it with something legit? |
| 18:14.55 | jima | uhm...how else would you acquire it? |
| 18:15.01 | fadein | well |
| 18:15.22 | fadein | i just hate to give my money to these derpcats and thereby support their "business model" |
| 18:15.31 | sjansen | lawyers, lots of lawyers |
| 18:16.13 | fadein | I heard somewhere that these "businesses" can acquire a domain name on a trial basis for 60 days for free - after which they have to relinquish it and apply again |
| 18:16.57 | fadein | is that true, or just a cool story? |
| 18:17.16 | Jayce^ | depends on the registrar, that had some pushback about 2 years ago finally |
| 18:17.44 | Jayce^ | they can still do that some, but only as a certain percentage of their total registrations.. |
| 18:32.12 | sjansen | Man, it really is incredible the surprising ways that new features can break an existing system. |
| 18:33.24 | sjansen | As it turns out, RHEL6 has the ability to automatically add a yum repo on removable media. |
| 18:33.48 | sjansen | Sounds like a nice feature, right? |
| 18:34.05 | sjansen | Well something is going wrong and it's actually breaking yum. |
| 18:35.03 | sjansen | We hadn't noticed the problem until now because of a bug in older versions of KVM. |
| 18:36.04 | sjansen | Now that we've upgraded to 6.2 and the iso shows up in GNOME correctly, this new problem appears. |
| 18:36.11 | jsmith | sjansen: Lovely :-/ |
| 18:36.47 | sjansen | Still trying to figure out how to reproduce. |
| 19:10.32 | jalbretsen | I guess work didn't like my nurse Joker as my chat icon. |
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| 19:18.04 | goozbach | any sieve gurus around? |
| 19:18.15 | goozbach | I had smartsieve running on my centos5 box |
| 19:18.24 | goozbach | and I can't seem to get it running on centos6 |
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| 19:33.11 | goozbach | NM the thunderbird sieve stuff works! |
| 19:33.14 | goozbach | yay! |
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| 19:41.19 | fadein | Does anybody know where to buy Ghost Chilis in or around SLC? |
| 19:42.01 | goozbach | fadein: howard taylor may |
| 19:42.05 | goozbach | if you tweet him |
| 19:44.16 | jima | funny, ghost chilis just came up in a conversation i was in yesterday |
| 19:46.04 | fadein | howard taylor as in Schlock Mercenary? |
| 19:48.34 | goozbach | fadein: yup |
| 19:48.43 | goozbach | he tweeted about ghost chillies a few days ago |
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| 20:40.15 | sjansen | So I saw the most amazing thing yesterday: iphone baby toy. |
| 20:41.00 | goozbach | it's an iphone app? |
| 20:41.01 | sjansen | As in, your standard chunky plastic baby toy with rings and stuff. But designed to have an iphone inserted in the middle. |
| 20:41.01 | jima | so that's what happened to my wife's cousin's iphone that went missing. |
| 20:41.06 | goozbach | ohh |
| 20:41.26 | goozbach | it's a case which ties the baby toys to the clippy ring system |
| 20:41.31 | goozbach | sjansen: link? |
| 20:41.46 | goozbach | my son is all about the iphone app pocket pond |
| 20:41.54 | sjansen | No link. I saw it at church. |
| 20:42.28 | sjansen | I can't even begin to understand the thought process that leads to giving a six month old an iphone. |
| 20:42.35 | jima | tries to decide whether that's in bad taste :-| |
| 20:42.45 | jima | the "at church" part, that is |
| 20:43.13 | goozbach | sjansen, jima: sometimes it's "whatever works to shut the kid up" |
| 20:43.31 | JoshH | sjansen: we're considering getting our 4 year old an ipod touch, becuase she's constantly asking to play games on our iphones, and has forgotten that her DS exists |
| 20:43.59 | fadein | sjansen: It must be similar to the thought process that says "text books are expensive, therefore Apple's textbook-on-an-iPad project will save our school district money" |
| 20:44.08 | jima | goozbach: i have kids, i'm familiar with the concept. |
| 20:44.52 | jima | my 7yo likes both his ds and our android devices (angry birds, etc) |
| 20:47.21 | goozbach | but it continues to be "mom's" iphone |
| 20:47.28 | goozbach | just for the little one to use |
| 20:47.37 | macnewbold | fadein: if it doesn't save money, it will at least save student's posture and backs - 1 ipad is much smaller and lighter than N textbooks |
| 20:48.03 | fadein | macnewbold: honestly, that's the only thing it has going for it |
| 20:48.22 | jima | plus if apple throws some money at it |
| 20:48.41 | jima | (classic "get 'em hooked" type behavior) |
| 20:49.00 | macnewbold | i would have liked to have an ipad/laptop instead of textbooks... |
| 20:49.11 | fadein | when I was an undergrad a few years ago, one of the textbook publishers offered us a DRM'ed version of our $120 textbook for $80 that would lock itself after the semester ended |
| 20:49.18 | jima | i had an old duo in high school, come to think of it |
| 20:49.22 | jima | great for taking notes |
| 20:49.47 | jima | so for $40 more, you retained some resale potential? |
| 20:50.30 | fadein | so, on top of needing to own a Windows PC to read the textbook (it wasn't just an Adobe-DRMed PDF, it required a special app) you get a text that you can't re-sell at the end of semester nor use for future reference |
| 20:50.55 | jima | FileOpen or something? |
| 20:51.02 | fadein | not that i would expect to get at least $80 out of such a book each time, |
| 20:51.18 | fadein | but for being far less useful I'd expect it to be far less expensive than that |
| 20:51.30 | jima | ^ FileOpen (iirc) is one of the most evil PDF DRM frameworks i've ever encountered. |
| 20:52.01 | fadein | jima: not sure. I just kept the free USB keychain they gave out and never looked 'em up |
| 20:52.13 | jima | good plan |
| 20:52.53 | fadein | and the free USB keychain was tiny. buncha cheapskates! |
| 20:55.51 | jima | the feds gave me one once...i think it was 512mb? |
| 20:55.56 | jima | goes to do actual work |
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| 21:38.37 | eightyeight | http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2011/06/09/aligning-io-on-a-hard-disk-raid-the-theory/ |
| 21:40.09 | fozzmoo | Best way to get top performance out of your MySQL database server: http://www.postgresql.org/ |
| 21:40.12 | fozzmoo | Har har har. |
| 21:41.18 | eightyeight | good theory in there about data alignment, especially seeing as though 4k advanced format hdds are becoming more prevalent on the market |
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| 21:41.46 | eightyeight | and ssds, of course |
| 21:46.10 | jima | s/top performance out of/IPv6 into/ |
| 21:47.06 | sjansen | Man, virtualization is freaking awesome. |
| 21:47.33 | jima | sure is. |
| 21:47.49 | goozbach | +1 |
| 21:48.05 | sjansen | We've been doing virtualized classrooms for awhile now. But this is the first week were it's _really_ shining. |
| 21:48.38 | sjansen | We're running a brand new clustering course. Three machines per student, morning and evening, 90 machines total. |
| 21:49.09 | sjansen | Each machine is on three networks. 32 networks total. |
| 21:49.17 | sjansen | s/32/34/ |
| 21:49.38 | sjansen | Building that with actually hardware... |
| 21:49.42 | sjansen | Man, virtualization is freaking awesome. |
| 21:49.57 | jsmith | Whee... |
| 21:50.31 | fozzmoo | GL++ |
| 21:52.08 | sjansen | BTW, so far RHEL6.2 is really kicking butt. Noticeable KVM and libvirt improvements. |
| 21:53.29 | jsmith | is happy to hear that (and can take absolutely none of the credit) |
| 21:54.04 | goozbach | libvirt has come a long way in the last year or so |
| 22:04.10 | sjansen | http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/10014.html |
| 22:08.32 | eightyeight | why would virt-manager(1) complain that it is "Unable to open a connection to the libvirt management daemon" and to "Verify that: - The 'libvirtd' daemone has been started" when it is? |
| 22:08.58 | eightyeight | i'm in the 'kvm' group as needed, and the remote server is running 'netcat-openbsd' |
| 22:09.16 | eightyeight | the libvirt uri is "qemu+ssh://user@server/system" |
| 22:10.57 | eightyeight | i'm also in the 'libvirt' group |
| 22:12.54 | sjansen | You've already looked at http://libvirt.org/auth.html ? |
| 22:12.55 | brac | [libvirt: Access control] |
| 22:14.09 | eightyeight | no. let me check |
| 22:14.42 | eightyeight | i should mention that this is virt-manager(1) running locally on my workstation, trying to access a remove kvm hypervisor |
| 22:16.19 | sjansen | I have personally had only limited success using virt-manager to access remote machines. Especially if you're trying to cross versions. |
| 22:17.05 | sjansen | I've found it easier to use ssh in the remove machine and use virsh or X11 forwarding. |
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| 22:17.59 | sjansen | IIRC, qemu+ssh is going to be Unix socket-based. So check all the things that entails. File permissions, SELinux, etc. |
| 22:19.31 | eightyeight | yes |
| 22:19.43 | eightyeight | it's interesting that a coworker running arch linux has it working |
| 22:19.46 | eightyeight | whereas i do not |
| 22:20.38 | eightyeight | i can ssh-key auth and ssh-password auth to the hyper fine, also |
| 22:21.18 | fozzmoo | Snow coming down good here... starting to stick (in Herriman.) |
| 22:23.43 | sjansen | Did everyone see the YouTube video of 400 N in Bountiful during Saturday's storm? |
| 22:23.53 | JoshH | heh, yep |
| 22:24.18 | sjansen | I live near there. Always wondered how that road could be safe in the snow. Now I know the answer is "it's not". |
| 22:25.14 | JoshH | i once had a similar slide on one of those hills around 1300S in slc |
| 22:25.20 | JoshH | thankfully not as bad, didn't hit anything |
| 22:25.25 | JoshH | i was being slow and careful too |
| 22:34.15 | eightyeight | echo "StrictHostKeyChecking no" >> ~/.ssh/config |
| 22:34.18 | eightyeight | and we're in business |
| 22:34.21 | eightyeight | weird |
| 22:36.02 | sjansen | ugh |
| 22:36.30 | sjansen | I hope you've at least got a "Host *.example.com" before that. |
| 22:36.43 | eightyeight | well, yes |
| 22:36.46 | eightyeight | it's only for those 4 |
| 22:36.48 | eightyeight | meh |
| 22:36.51 | eightyeight | hypers |
| 22:37.30 | jima | man, i've only been in that neighborhood once and i guessed which street you guys were talking about. oof. |
| 22:42.54 | eightyeight | ... and it appears that having the 'ssh-askpass' package is needed |
| 22:43.03 | eightyeight | why only a recommends, and not a depends? |
| 22:43.04 | eightyeight | meh |
| 22:55.02 | sjansen | ssh-askpass shouldn'e be needed as long as you have key-based authentication pre-configured |
| 22:55.36 | eightyeight | agreed |
| 22:55.43 | sjansen | And you're using a civilized distro with gnome-keyring / seahorse properly integrated to decrypt SSH keys on login. |
| 22:55.54 | eightyeight | but it was erroring out, because it was asking to accept the server ssh key, of which i couldn't respond |
| 22:57.17 | eightyeight | until i accepted all keys (by using the stricthostkeychecking), it complained about libvirt not running |
| 22:57.28 | eightyeight | *shrug* |
| 22:57.41 | sjansen | weird |
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| 23:00.27 | saturdayplace | anyone see that YouTube video of cars sliding down 400N in bountiful? |
| 23:03.50 | sjansen | suggests saturdayplace scroll back about 35 minutes. |
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| 23:27.38 | solomojo | Anyone know of some good places to place a php develper opening? |
| 23:27.54 | solomojo | Other than the normal craigs list etc. |
| 23:28.12 | solomojo | In Lehi |
| 23:28.30 | unum | plug |
| 23:28.34 | unum | uphpu |
| 23:28.53 | unum | I don't think either one has a seperate job mailing list |
| 23:29.00 | unum | so you can just mail the lists directly |
| 23:42.19 | solomojo | cool thanks unum |
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| 23:50.48 | saturdayplace | sjansen: Ha, should've scrolled back. That video was shot a block and a half away from my house. I always wondered how people managed living further up that hill. |