| 00:01.27 | gundy | Well, if you want to call people on the Old School Network, you have to pay someone for that dialtone. Again, I like flowroute for that. |
| 00:01.48 | gundy | OSN really isn't a thing, it's called the PSTN ;) |
| 00:02.26 | sjansen | Pastel School Telephone Network |
| 00:02.59 | sjansen | Life was more vibrant in the analog days. |
| 00:03.52 | brkpt | I'm heading out before that storm gets here |
| 00:03.52 | brkpt | :o |
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| 00:09.43 | gundy | The analog days, I remember them like they were yesterday. |
| 00:11.20 | jessie | gundy: Right, so I go to flow route for my service providing, have my asterisk server inside my network, and run network wires for the needed phones. Set up the server correctly and everything should work. |
| 00:12.10 | gundy | *boom* goes the telephony dynamite ;) |
| 00:13.33 | jessie | gundy: Awesome. You have given me all that I needed to know. |
| 00:13.37 | gundy | Anyone know of any hardware meetups? I'd like to get my soldering iron out sometime soon. |
| 00:13.49 | gundy | jessie, you are now free to go and do. |
| 00:13.56 | gundy | Let me know how it goes :) |
| 00:15.00 | gundy | BTW, you can do it on the cheap while learning. A DID will only cost you $1 per mo. and you don't have to buy deskphones until you've got the whole thing figure out. |
| 00:16.04 | jessie | gundy: Good to know. |
| 00:16.10 | jessie | Aight all, I am out. |
| 00:16.20 | gundy | jessie, laters. |
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| 01:29.51 | jessie | gundy: I have a couple more questions. Are there any cheap (sub $100) desk+cordless SIP phones? |
| 01:30.32 | gundy | There are very few corless SIP phones to choose from. |
| 01:40.49 | jessie | That is sad. What is a man to do? |
| 01:41.36 | gundy | Ironically, I don't use the phone much :) |
| 01:42.18 | jessie | hahaha.. Nice. |
| 01:42.49 | gundy | I find that one of the reasons use a cordless phone is that they don't have EXTs setup for people who need them. When they do, they don't need to pass the phone around as much. |
| 01:43.56 | jessie | gundy: Well, it's retail, so looking for a book or what not while having a phone is nice. |
| 01:44.18 | gundy | Yeah, I can see that. |
| 01:44.31 | gundy | jessie, you have an Android? |
| 01:44.45 | jessie | gundy: Yep! |
| 01:45.04 | gundy | They have a built-in SIP phone. You can use it. |
| 01:46.41 | jessie | gundy: That is really good to know. So I get a couple androids and they'll work as cordless phones. |
| 01:47.03 | gundy | jessie, that's kinda $$$, but it would work. |
| 01:47.33 | gundy | There must be a cheaper way. I was think about using the one you already own. |
| 01:48.50 | jessie | gundy: Well, I am not opposed to grabbing a few used off KSL. |
| 01:49.05 | gundy | I guess it would work. |
| 01:49.39 | gundy | Make sure they have the right version of android. Some of the old ones didn't have the SIP stack built in. |
| 01:49.45 | sjansen | Dunno. A cell phone makes a lousy cordless. You want the phone to spend most of it's time charging, and fumbling with a USB cable won't encourage that. |
| 01:51.36 | jessie | sjansen: A dock or two would solve that. |
| 01:56.02 | jessie | There are a bunch of droid x's on KSL for $100 a pop. Not bad. |
| 01:57.29 | gundy | I agree with sjansen about the charging etc. You'll want to make sure you're happy with a cell before you buy them. |
| 01:58.27 | sjansen | jessie: How much to replace the batteries? Used probably won't have much life left. |
| 01:58.35 | jessie | Yeah, I'll be sure to do some experimentation. |
| 01:58.47 | jessie | sjansen: 10 bucks a battery. |
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| 03:46.57 | TodPunk | https://twitter.com/herpderpedia |
| 03:47.02 | TodPunk | This is why we can't have nice things |
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| 04:35.25 | eightyeight | TodPunk: |
| 04:35.27 | eightyeight | heh |
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| 15:45.33 | mahelious | dear whoever got in an accident today around 80th S and added 20 min to my (and about 10,000 other peoples) commute: F*** you! |
| 15:46.26 | fozzmoo | looks at his feet |
| 15:46.27 | fozzmoo | Sorry. |
| 15:46.29 | mahelious | probably not on this channel though... |
| 15:46.45 | mahelious | fozzmoo++ |
| 15:53.28 | eightyeight | mahelious: really? |
| 15:53.56 | mahelious | im just venting the last of my road rage. sorry. |
| 15:56.19 | goozbach | morning folkses |
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| 15:58.35 | romanovic | I wonder what the statistics are for amount of fuel and man hours wasted as a result of the average accident... |
| 15:59.52 | romanovic | on one hand, you have to feel bad if there are any injuries, but on the other hand, they've probably cost people many thousands of dollars |
| 16:00.01 | smcquay | solution: pubtran |
| 16:00.34 | mahelious | mmm...pubtran. if wishes were horses... |
| 16:00.42 | romanovic | would love to take public transportation, as soon as they get frontrunner south finished |
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| 16:01.01 | smcquay | romanovic: yeah, i'm excited myself, already taking the bus up |
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| 16:01.39 | romanovic | I recently started driving from Herriman south to Orem every day |
| 16:01.46 | romanovic | I should look into the bus schedule |
| 16:02.23 | fozzmoo | Hah! |
| 16:02.29 | smcquay | yeah, it's a tricky bit of magic, getting places the right way ... don't use rideuta.com's directions, use google's, but then check back on rideuta.com for times for general verification. |
| 16:02.29 | mahelious | romanovic: do you take redwood to pioneer or bangerter to the 15? |
| 16:02.49 | fozzmoo | Public transit from/to Herriman is a joke. |
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| 16:07.46 | eightyeight | i love the front runner |
| 16:08.01 | eightyeight | with it and trax, it only adds about 10 min to my commute |
| 16:08.03 | eightyeight | so, win! |
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| 16:11.34 | fozzmoo | romanovic: But, hey, you live in Herriman? |
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| 16:53.47 | macnewbold | public transportation would be awesome, but when it costs more time/money than driving myself, even in the worst traffic, it isn't realistic |
| 16:54.54 | macnewbold | there are circumstances though where it works out great - i used it for many years when with 0-1 transfers i could go from my doorstep to work and back in only about 20-30% more time than driving (it saved me on parking too in that case, but many places have free parking) |
| 16:56.04 | jsmith | used it a lot in college |
| 16:56.52 | macnewbold | yeah, at the time school==work, and major destinations like a big university tend to have good pubtran available |
| 16:58.13 | jsmith | was living in Sandy, and would take Trax downtown and then transfer to a bus to take classes at the U |
| 16:58.48 | macnewbold | similar here |
| 16:59.30 | macnewbold | i was lucky that the bus that ran down the street where i lived (near south salt lake) stopped downtown then turned into a bus that went up to the U and stopped right in front of the engineering building |
| 17:03.47 | jsmith | macnewbold: Nice :-) |
| 17:04.39 | macnewbold | yeah, it was super sweet |
| 17:04.52 | macnewbold | nice little naptime to/from wasn't bad at all |
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| 17:17.20 | romanovic | fozzmoo: yes, Herriman |
| 17:21.02 | romanovic | macnewbold: i agree, pub trans isn't always realistic. I currently use about 3 gallons ($9+) per day on gas |
| 17:21.20 | romanovic | So in my case, it probably would be a savings |
| 17:25.37 | eightyeight | mahelious: AGREED! |
| 17:25.56 | eightyeight | $180 for the premium pass to ride front runner between clearfield and salt lake, is draconian |
| 17:26.10 | eightyeight | especially when i would spend $120 per month for gas |
| 17:26.32 | eightyeight | imo, public transportation should be free |
| 17:26.46 | eightyeight | but, meh |
| 17:27.05 | mahelious | free? maybe more widespread and reasonably priced. |
| 17:27.16 | macnewbold | i don't mind having it be supported a bit by those who use it, as opposed to completely tax supported, but right now it is limiting its growth by being so dependent on ridership |
| 17:27.30 | mahelious | oh well, ill just get an electric car next year and see how that works out. |
| 17:27.35 | macnewbold | if they expanded it, they'd get more riders, and they could expand it if they decreased the fares |
| 17:27.52 | macnewbold | there's a critical mass problem imho |
| 17:28.00 | mahelious | macnewbold: exactly |
| 17:28.03 | eightyeight | everyone i know who rides front runner has their pass subsidized for them |
| 17:28.08 | eightyeight | either school, work, whatever |
| 17:28.28 | eightyeight | if it weren't for the subsidation, they wouldn't bother |
| 17:29.27 | macnewbold | yeah, when i worked downtown at code greene, we offered to pay for their parking pass, or put the same money toward a bus pass. it didn't cover all the premium front runner cost, but close to half of it. |
| 17:29.43 | macnewbold | we had several take us up on it and do the front runner thign |
| 17:30.04 | macnewbold | but the commute took longer for them that way, and there was only so much they could productively do en route |
| 17:30.21 | eightyeight | yes. xmission is the same |
| 17:31.07 | eightyeight | i don't mind the extra 10 minutes on the commute, and i can purchase "reduced fare" passes for $3 per day if i hold the standard monthly bus/trax pass |
| 17:31.21 | eightyeight | so, that's an extra $60/month for a 5-day work week |
| 17:32.00 | eightyeight | just sucks i have to purchase that ticket at every station, every day |
| 17:32.47 | macnewbold | for our guys, it was often 20+ minutes more. it's crazy to me how the trax ride from the front runner station to downtown can take 15+ minutes by itself - they could almost walk it faster (more direct route), and some did, or brought a bike on the train to get to/from stations |
| 17:33.55 | macnewbold | where i work now, in provo, the only bus route nearby comes from UVU, taking ~20+ min from there to here, so I'd have to take a bus from 14600 South to UVU in Orem, wait for a transfer, then take another 20+ min to get here. |
| 17:34.21 | macnewbold | but driving the whole thing is 35-40 minutes, vs well over an hour each way for pubtrans |
| 17:34.53 | macnewbold | so instead, i carpool, and got a vehicle that runs on CNG ($1.50/gallon, same mpg) or gasoline |
| 17:35.57 | macnewbold | my wife drives her van 100+ miles most week days, and hers is CNG bi-fuel too, so she ends up saving ~$250-300/month in fuel costs |
| 17:38.43 | jalbretsen | eightyeight: Want some good news. My students in class this semester tell me WSU is phasing out the bus pass with your student ID |
| 17:39.03 | eightyeight | jalbretsen: a lot of godo that does me. :) |
| 17:39.08 | eightyeight | s/godo/good/ |
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| 17:39.29 | unum | jalbretsen: are the phasing out the mandatory seasons tickets, or does weber not do that? |
| 17:39.55 | jalbretsen | I don't think they do that. |
| 17:40.26 | jalbretsen | Some university's require mandatory season tickets? Student fees I assume? |
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| 17:41.23 | jalbretsen | I guess all that money football teams bring in just isn't enough |
| 17:42.49 | unum | jalbretsen: the vast majory of college football teams lose money |
| 17:43.03 | unum | hardly any break even |
| 17:43.36 | jalbretsen | put that's the excuse I always hear from people who are gun-ho college football, it must be true! |
| 17:43.39 | unum | USU has an athlectic fee which is used to fund football and basketball, but alllows all students to attend the games for free |
| 17:45.00 | unum | and the bowl they managed to qualify for will probably cost them even more money |
| 17:45.04 | unum | http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-09-28/bcs-bowl-games-cost-some-schools/50582512/1 |
| 17:45.08 | jalbretsen | suggests they add a fee to fund a planetarium and physics laser labs |
| 17:45.22 | unum | the book store is ran at a profit and hte proceeds are given to the football team |
| 17:45.44 | unum | they have all sort of accounting tricks to hide the cost |
| 17:46.16 | unum | WSU isn't tier 1 so I doubt they spend near as much money on the football team |
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| 18:04.18 | stderr- | unum: "The vast majority of college football teams lose money" that's simply not true. |
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| 18:10.05 | unum | stderr-: http://www.insidehighered.com/views/2005/01/31/lombardi1 |
| 18:10.16 | unum | maybe I should say tier 1 teams |
| 18:10.34 | stderr- | where is the report? |
| 18:10.40 | unum | oops that's not the right link |
| 18:11.03 | unum | http://aspatula.blogspot.com/2008/05/idiocy-of-funding-college-football.html |
| 18:11.05 | stderr- | In 2009 according to the NCAA's revenue and expense report, 57% of college football teams in Division 1 made a profit. |
| 18:11.07 | unum | this references it |
| 18:11.19 | unum | the teams all lie |
| 18:11.34 | unum | I know USU's tricks I don't know everyone elses |
| 18:11.42 | stderr- | 9_9 |
| 18:11.48 | stderr- | the reference is a bad link. |
| 18:11.52 | stderr- | Here's a reference: |
| 18:12.01 | stderr- | http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/REV_EXP_2010.pdf |
| 18:12.47 | stderr- | The average of the teams whose operating cost was a net negative was $50,000~ |
| 18:13.16 | unum | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=The+Enemy+is+Us:+Cost+Reduction+College+Sports&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjvlone.com%2FInsideHE_Enemy013105.pdf&ei=EV0YT5SkJ5D2gAef_rTkCw&usg=AFQjCNHnSDTEZWRqGYLF3az-gxzLtSodqg&cad=rja |
| 18:13.50 | stderr- | " Maybe five in the country make money (if you could get them to report their income and expenses honestly |
| 18:13.53 | stderr- | and fully). The other 112 or so lose money; some lose a great deal of money" |
| 18:13.54 | stderr- | This references nothing. |
| 18:13.59 | stderr- | It's a statement of opinion. |
| 18:14.11 | stderr- | it's not backed by any research they've done, that I can see. They're just saying the programs lie. |
| 18:14.21 | stderr- | Where do they get the "maybe fine in the country" ? |
| 18:14.24 | stderr- | five* |
| 18:14.52 | unum | I have seen reasearch that's actually more recent than that article |
| 18:15.00 | unum | having a hard time finding it now |
| 18:15.03 | stderr- | Let's see the actual research. |
| 18:15.17 | stderr- | Not a statement by an opinionated organization that is pulling numbers out of the air. |
| 18:16.35 | stderr- | Personally I think sports organizations in college are a good thing, although I do believe they're often put ahead of important education initiatives. |
| 18:16.51 | stderr- | But sports programs are also a _huge_ driver for enrollment, and support from boosters. |
| 18:20.19 | jessie | Hey guys, somewhere in one of my PHP applications a new line is being inserted into the response. |
| 18:21.20 | jessie | This is breaking stuff for me, and I need to figure out where. I don't see any echo's or returns that indicate it is there and I am trying to figure out where this new line is being inserted. |
| 18:22.01 | jessie | Is there any way for me to store in a variable what the response would be if execution were to halt at that line? I've tried $data = HttpResponse::getData() but that didn't work. |
| 18:22.11 | jsmith | jessie: Turn on output buffering |
| 18:22.50 | unum | http://ctsportslaw.com/2008/05/22/ncaa-study-shows-that-most-athletic-programs-lose-money/ |
| 18:23.17 | unum | stderr-: but the booster money goes to the team which doesn't help the college |
| 18:23.28 | unum | that report claims 16/120 are profitable |
| 18:23.33 | unum | which is higher than I believe |
| 18:23.55 | jessie | jsmith: Thank you. |
| 18:24.00 | unum | because it's done by an organization that WANTS to show the groups ore profitiable |
| 18:24.07 | jessie | You guys are much more helpful than ##php |
| 18:24.35 | jsmith | jessie: #uphpu might be even more helpful for PHP questions |
| 18:24.47 | stderr- | unum: again, another broken link. |
| 18:25.23 | jessie | jsmith: Awesome! Thanks again. |
| 18:25.25 | unum | wfm |
| 18:25.42 | unum | oh I see it links to an other article |
| 18:25.45 | unum | and that link is broken |
| 18:26.15 | stderr- | unum: boosters support don't necessarily go to the team, btw. Alumni who're interested in sports programs often donate for the building of other infrastructure. |
| 18:26.53 | unum | if boosters are giving money to the university to support the football team, than the money goes to the team |
| 18:27.37 | stderr- | I'm saying sports programs often hold alumni interest in the whole university. |
| 18:27.53 | stderr- | Why don't you take a look at the Spencer Eccles building at the University of Utah. |
| 18:27.59 | stderr- | (the health sciences library) |
| 18:28.32 | stderr- | Certainly, one of Eccles motivations is the football team, given his focus on it historically. |
| 18:29.57 | unum | eccles gives money to many causes |
| 18:30.21 | unum | they've given a lot of money to not atheletic causes at USU |
| 18:30.24 | fozzmoo | romanovic: Cool. That's where I live too (and work, as I work from home.) |
| 18:30.45 | unum | and every school in the state |
| 18:31.35 | romanovic | fozzmoo: How do you like it out there? I've lived in Herriman for about 14 days now, everything seems nice. Except for the transportation issue. |
| 18:32.03 | fozzmoo | I've been in the area since 2003. Love it. Will like it a lot more when we get a couple more decent restaurants. |
| 18:32.18 | fozzmoo | I was excited about Bout Time... until I went there and ate what they call food. |
| 18:32.29 | fozzmoo | Plus my family hated how noisy it was. |
| 18:32.40 | fozzmoo | But, it's a sports bar, so what do you expect? |
| 18:32.46 | romanovic | ah. never been there, but I live very close to there |
| 18:34.10 | fozzmoo | My late entry on the public transit issue may be no surprise to many who know me: Public transit in Utah is messed up. The population density along the Wasatch Front is nowhere near what it needs to be to justify spending the kind of money needed to build out light and heavy rail infrastructure. We're bleeding tax dollars on TRAX and FrontRunner, big time, regardless of how cool it is to ride the train and have persistent wifi access. |
| 18:35.04 | fozzmoo | The "smart" thing for UTA to have done instead of building the stupid rail system would have been to intelligently scale their bus system. Buses are much better at serving diverse areas and needs than rail systems. For one, they aren't stuck to a static route. |
| 18:36.24 | fozzmoo | Buses enjoy a FAR lower cost per rider-mile than light rail (or commuter rail). So, what did UTA do to meet its TRAX ridership projections? They routed all bus lines to TRAX stations, of course. |
| 18:37.15 | fozzmoo | Seems ridiculous to me if someone wants to ride, for example, from West Jordan to West Valley, they have to ride a bus to the TRAX corridor, go north a couple miles, and then ride another bus out west again. |
| 18:37.47 | fozzmoo | But, this is UTA covering its collective(or collectivist) ass. |
| 18:38.50 | fozzmoo | romanovic: If you've got kids, you'll probably like the schools in Herriman. Their performance ratings is spectacular. |
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| 19:06.33 | jessie | fozzmoo: That's funny. I have heard from my uncle who worked at UTA that Trax was the only division making money there. |
| 19:07.01 | jessie | fozzmoo: It makes a bit more sense, now that I see that they simple route all buses to the Trax stations to make more. |
| 19:07.05 | fozzmoo | TRAX is *heavily* subsidized, federally. |
| 19:09.41 | jessie | fozzmoo: Also makes sense. |
| 19:09.46 | jessie | All of UTA is. |
| 19:09.51 | fozzmoo | Logan City has a public transit system. They had the option of allowing UTA to come up and provide service, but it was voted down in a public referendum. A couple years later, they proposed a city-owned system, operated by a private company, and financed by a 1/4-percent sales tax increase. They planned to operate the buses for free for a few months to give people an incentive to ride the buses and then migrate to a fare. The private company managing the system wa |
| 19:10.26 | fozzmoo | Meanwhile, UTA is raising fares... again... |
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| 19:14.20 | macnewbold | busses in logan are still free, aren't they? |
| 19:18.09 | JoshH | uta just has overpaid jerks running it |
| 19:18.29 | jalbretsen | for example.. |
| 19:20.50 | jessie | More proof that private industry == better |
| 19:21.29 | JoshH | imo, it makes sense for the government to do things that shouldn't be expected to make a profit, and not everything should |
| 19:22.31 | JoshH | public transit is public for similar reasons to roads. if it was all about making the most money in the most efficient way, only the lucrative routes would have service |
| 19:23.29 | fadein | jessie: private industry == better for small values of private industry |
| 19:23.40 | jalbretsen | still wondering who the overpaid jerks are and how much they are making |
| 19:23.49 | JoshH | the logan example sounds like the kind of thing that would work in an isolated small town with no suburbs |
| 19:24.14 | fadein | it's not the "private" part of industry that makes it more efficent than gov't: it's the prospect of customers choosing something else and putting you out of business |
| 19:24.22 | JoshH | jalbretsen: there are articles every now and then about how the main guys at UTA are douches and make more than the transit execs in NYC, etc |
| 19:24.32 | JoshH | sorry i can't be more specific though |
| 19:24.49 | fadein | as soon as any entity gets big enough to feel entitled to exist that it starts to be uncool |
| 19:24.51 | jalbretsen | okay, then, let me help you |
| 19:25.10 | JoshH | fadein: that's how it is with taxis and airlines |
| 19:25.17 | jalbretsen | http://www.utahsright.com/h_salaries.php |
| 19:25.18 | brac | [Utah's Right To Know | UtahsRight.com] |
| 19:25.31 | fadein | I'm convinced that if gov't officials felt like they could actually be voted out of office and not have a cushy lobbying job to fall back on, they'd shape up in a hurry |
| 19:25.37 | JoshH | trains and busses are different |
| 19:25.56 | jalbretsen | I had students in my class claiming the top dogs make 800K + |
| 19:25.57 | fadein | Orrin Hatch feels no such pressure - hence he consistently comes to the rescue of Big Media |
| 19:26.00 | fadein | etc. |
| 19:26.03 | jalbretsen | they don't |
| 19:26.07 | fadein | his recent backpeddling notwithstanding |
| 19:26.24 | JoshH | i think 275 or so is the highest number i remember seeing about it |
| 19:26.36 | JoshH | which still seems high for an org like that |
| 19:26.43 | jalbretsen | here, I'll help you more then |
| 19:26.46 | jalbretsen | http://www.utahsright.com/salaries.php?city=uta_salaries |
| 19:26.46 | JoshH | when it's cutting routes and raising fares all the time |
| 19:26.54 | brac | [Utah's Right To Know | UtahsRight.com] |
| 19:26.54 | JoshH | heh why so defensive about it? |
| 19:27.30 | jalbretsen | not defensive, just helping you know the facts |
| 19:27.52 | jalbretsen | looks like $352K is the largest salary |
| 19:28.22 | tensai | $28 is the lowest. wonder what the story is there. http://www.utahsright.com/profile.php?id=1364734 |
| 19:28.22 | brac | [Utah's Right To Know | UtahsRight.com] |
| 19:32.20 | resplin | Wow, that's a good site to know about. |
| 19:33.04 | sjansen | I'll see your "private industry is better" and raise your "Wall street". |
| 19:33.06 | jalbretsen | I'm disappointed I'm not listed yet, must be a year delay or something |
| 19:35.00 | resplin | Wow, police officers make a lot more than I expected. |
| 19:35.29 | sjansen | They also tend to retire a lot earlier than most people realize. |
| 19:35.38 | fadein | pfft. lazy |
| 19:36.41 | sjansen | Part of the justification is hazardous duty. A bigger part shorter career. At a certain point you just can't patrol, and there's only so many people they need behind a desk. And then, of course, there's unions. |
| 19:36.55 | fadein | was being sarcastic |
| 19:48.05 | fozzmoo | A big part of the reason UTA is so messed up is that they're hardly accountable to anyone. UTA doesn't answer to the legislature or to any of the cities they serve. Instead, they answer to a board of appointees (appointed by the governor). |
| 19:49.24 | JoshH | sjansen: that's when they should become mall cops |
| 19:49.51 | fozzmoo | I've got to hand it to them, whoever came up with that system was genius (and evil) |
| 19:49.51 | fozzmoo | Speaking of mall cops, why the hell does the UTA have its own police force?! |
| 19:49.51 | JoshH | makes up for all the time they spent in danger, and they can keep working until they're 70 like the rest of us |
| 19:50.08 | JoshH | i don't know, but one was angry at me once for jaywalking to the trax stop |
| 19:50.59 | eightyeight | i almost got cited by one for standing on the yellow strip while waitintg for the train |
| 19:52.42 | JoshH | i wonder if the walmart security suv drivers ever get any exercise on the job |
| 19:53.08 | JoshH | not that i do or anything |
| 19:53.14 | eightyeight | heh |
| 20:58.32 | jessie | I take the cake on stupid tickets. I got a jaywalking ticket in Spanish Fork on Main Street at 10:00 PM. |
| 20:58.37 | jessie | There were no cars around. |
| 20:58.42 | jessie | I was pissed. |
| 20:59.14 | macnewbold | wow |
| 20:59.21 | macnewbold | some cop was really really borde |
| 20:59.27 | macnewbold | s/borde/bored/ |
| 20:59.36 | fozzmoo | No kidding. |
| 20:59.58 | fozzmoo | jessie: Did you have an "Arrest me for jaywalking!" sign stuck to your back? :) |
| 21:00.05 | macnewbold | though my wife could compete with you - she was in one car, and i was in another car behind her, driving through a back road in lehi |
| 21:00.28 | macnewbold | i was just following, matching her speed - cop catches her, pulls out of nowhere behind me |
| 21:00.41 | macnewbold | i pull over to the side, then she pulls over too instead of continuing |
| 21:00.47 | macnewbold | so he gave both of us tickets |
| 21:00.59 | jessie | fozzmoo: There's some back story, but the cop was a giant prick. |
| 21:01.02 | fozzmoo | for... speeding? |
| 21:01.03 | macnewbold | claiming that he clocked both of our speed in the few seconds as we drove by |
| 21:01.13 | macnewbold | yeah, both of us got speeding tickets |
| 21:01.17 | jessie | macnewbold: Did you fight it? |
| 21:01.24 | fozzmoo | When I was 19 or so, I got pulled over in a group of like 7 or 8 people on I-15. |
| 21:01.26 | macnewbold | i tried to take the bullet for her, but she insisted on getting shot too |
| 21:01.58 | fozzmoo | I wasn't speeding, but I was young and dumb- ended up going to some defensive driving class to get the points off after that. |
| 21:02.03 | macnewbold | jessie: no, we didn't. it was really tempting though. i couldn't find any strong defense, since the cop insisted he clocked us both and i had no evidence to the contrary. |
| 21:02.11 | sjansen | If he observes you keeping pace, there's not need to clock more than one car. |
| 21:02.41 | macnewbold | sjansen: he would have a hard time telling that i was keeping pace other than the fact i was a few carlengths behind her |
| 21:03.00 | macnewbold | he couldn't have seen me until she was almost past him (he was right next to the road and it was narrow, and she was in a big van) |
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| 21:03.26 | macnewbold | it all happened in a few seconds |
| 21:04.00 | macnewbold | he had time to clock her, but he would have had about a 5-10 second window to see me, clock me, and pull out into the street behind me with his lights on |
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| 22:38.34 | jessie | Hello all, I am wanting to move a pretty big file (~11 GB) to some contractors in Russia. |
| 22:39.29 | jessie | I figured bit torrent would be a good way to go about this. However, after adding my file to a tracker, my client says that things are stalled. It says there are seeds and peers, but it doesn't connect to any. Why? |
| 22:39.34 | fugue88 | This doesn't exactly sound above-board. ;) |
| 22:40.14 | jessie | It's an Open Box VM. |
| 22:40.39 | jessie | It's legit. Right now I am just trying it with a 6 MB photo, though. |
| 22:42.10 | fozzmoo | http://is.gd/7tFyUz <- The Atlantic's collection of GOP candidate's high school yearbook photos. |
| 22:42.34 | fozzmoo | They say Santorum's is the most embarrassing, but I personally think that title goes to Huntsman |
| 22:43.29 | jessie | fozzmoo: I have to agree with you on that one. |
| 22:47.14 | smcquay | wowed by how much Patrol Officers in Spanish Fork make. Thanks for sharing jalbretsen |
| 22:50.05 | jessie | smcquay: I know. Most are right around 100k. |
| 22:50.27 | jessie | smcquay: But on the bright side, SF cops seem to be some of the better ones around. |
| 22:51.44 | smcquay | jessie: You're right, they are. Solution: pay ALL the cops over $100k |
| 22:52.06 | jessie | Seriously. I wonder how much PG cops are paid... |
| 22:52.53 | jessie | 70-80k. |
| 22:53.02 | smcquay | Patrolman 1 doing pretty good |
| 22:53.27 | smcquay | and they all get to drive dodge chargers ... |
| 22:53.53 | jessie | Maybe if there were challengers I would consider them lucky. The chargers are ugly as sin. |
| 22:55.11 | sjansen | respectfully disagrees |
| 22:55.20 | sjansen | ~lart jessie for insulting the charger |
| 22:55.20 | ibot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in jessie's direction, hitting jessie and sending jessie flying into the closet for insulting the charger |
| 22:55.55 | jessie | A 4 door muscle car? Come on, what are we, 90? Granny status? |
| 22:56.18 | eightyeight | i don't like the look of the charger either |
| 22:56.25 | jessie | If they made a 2 door one, I am guessing it would be better. But 4 doors only? I ain't trying to drive around a station wagon. |
| 22:56.46 | eightyeight | 4 doors and a back seat adds too much weight |
| 22:57.08 | sjansen | Owning a two door cured me of the desire to ever do so again. |
| 22:57.36 | jessie | eightyeight: Exactly! Thank you. |
| 22:58.47 | eightyeight | if you want a serious muscle car, then you're serious about bloat. the new chargers are just running off of the old name |
| 22:59.11 | sjansen | Well there's your mistake. I don't think of the charger as a muscle car. |
| 22:59.41 | eightyeight | exactly |
| 22:59.44 | jessie | sjansen: Okay. Fair enough. They market it as one, though. |
| 22:59.45 | JoshH | the uhp chargers are alright looking, but i'm not a charger fan in general |
| 23:01.32 | sjansen | Muscle cars are silly. I prefer to think of the charger as a truck without a bed. |
| 23:02.35 | sjansen | Or a less pretentious luxury car. |
| 23:02.43 | jessie | sjansen: That is silly. Why not go with a Magnum then? Much more space! |
| 23:03.12 | sjansen | Because then it is a station wagon. |
| 23:03.15 | eightyeight | pontiac gto and ford torino are muscle cars |
| 23:03.48 | eightyeight | the charger is a pony, at best |
| 23:04.07 | eightyeight | although, i'll give credit to the hemi engine |
| 23:09.28 | jessie | Max Wedge, ftw. |
| 23:12.57 | eightyeight | heh |
| 23:35.29 | sjansen | http://venomousporridge.com/post/16126436616/ibooks-author-eula-audacity |
| 23:36.50 | fozzmoo | OMG! Apple is being heavy-handed! |
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