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| 11:55.58 | Syndrome | Isn't it like 5 AM in utah |
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| 16:23.47 | b4dave | Does anyone know if you can get xchat or something close to it for the Blackberry curve? Also, can you root the Blackberry? I have looked online but have not found much. |
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| 19:29.11 | saturdayplace | anyone here know much about these guys: http://www.agencyfusion.com/? I've got an interview there this afternoon. |
| 19:30.43 | fozzmoo | I know nothing. Website looks cool. |
| 19:31.09 | saturdayplace | heh. Got the exact opposite reaction in the hackernews channel |
| 19:31.41 | fozzmoo | For a web dev position? |
| 19:32.32 | fozzmoo | Looks like a populist (and not a superior) shop: (PHP or Ruby, JS, HTML5, MySQL, etc.) |
| 19:32.32 | saturdayplace | Yeah |
| 19:32.53 | saturdayplace | what do you mean by populist? |
| 19:33.35 | fozzmoo | Oh, PHP+MySQL is a popular combination, not necessarily the best. I'm a snob. I'd at least prefer PostgreSQL. |
| 19:33.59 | saturdayplace | Got it. |
| 19:34.30 | fozzmoo | I'm currently working for a Perl+MySQL shop. Almost everyone I work with agrees we should be using PG instead, but we're too far down the road to switch... easily. |
| 19:34.44 | fozzmoo | But we talk about it a lot. :) |
| 19:35.31 | saturdayplace | I get that feeling from a lot of more experienced devs: PostgreSQL > MySQL, but I don't know enough about the differences to know why. |
| 19:36.06 | fozzmoo | In short, MySQL is hack upon hack upon hack. PostgreSQL was designed from the ground up to be a stable, reliable, ACID-compliant RDBMS. |
| 19:36.28 | saturdayplace | So, stability? |
| 19:36.47 | fozzmoo | As a result, for a long time, MySQL was far speedier than PG... but PostgreSQL supported transactions and MySQL didn't. |
| 19:37.13 | fozzmoo | Stability, yes, but I think it's more about architecture sanity. |
| 19:38.33 | fozzmoo | Now they're a lot more comparable feature-wise, but MySQL's legacy is still hacks. Only the most recent versions of MySQL use InnoDB tables by default. The MyISAM tables don't support transactions. I have no idea why that persevered for so long. |
| 19:42.22 | jsmith | And yet, many open source projects that claim to use either MySQL or PostgreSQL do stupid things that make it more difficult to use PostgreSQL |
| 19:42.31 | jsmith | (which has wasted my last two days) |
| 19:57.34 | unum | so which registrar is everyone using now? |
| 19:58.30 | saturdayplace | Been with Gandi.net since this spring. |
| 19:58.45 | saturdayplace | Like 'em so far. |
| 19:59.52 | fozzmoo | Still with godaddy. *shrugs* |
| 20:00.58 | eightyeight | unum: namecheap |
| 20:01.01 | unum | I've always hated godaddy |
| 20:01.08 | unum | it's just such a pain to move |
| 20:01.16 | saturdayplace | namecheap was good too. |
| 20:01.31 | JoshH | it's not that tough, just a few emails over a few days |
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| 20:01.36 | fozzmoo | Yeah. Their site sucks, but price was always a motivator for me... and the fact that GoDaddy lets you manage your own simple DNS. |
| 20:01.56 | fozzmoo | If XMission had let me do that, I would never have moved my domains to GoDaddy. :) |
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| 20:03.29 | unum | JoshH: it sounds like I run more domains than you |
| 20:03.50 | unum | fozzmoo: ya that used to me an issue for me, but now I'm moving everything to my server(go powerdns) |
| 20:03.51 | JoshH | well i'm just talking about the process of xferring a single domain |
| 20:03.56 | unum | I just have it all in postgresql |
| 20:03.59 | JoshH | without regard to your particular setup |
| 20:04.10 | unum | JoshH: I was talking about my personal situation :p |
| 20:04.33 | JoshH | the whole concept of having different registrars of varying quality is stupid imo |
| 20:04.48 | JoshH | it should just be handled directly by icann in some standardized way |
| 20:05.16 | unum | JoshH: you would make a very bad republican ;) |
| 20:06.19 | JoshH | are there any good republicans? |
| 20:07.04 | JoshH | but seriously, icann essentially regulates them all and has rules for how they operate anyway, so why even have them at all? |
| 20:07.14 | JoshH | it just makes things worse |
| 20:07.27 | unum | because for profit companies make everything better |
| 20:07.33 | fozzmoo | Seriously. it was like that before... |
| 20:07.46 | fozzmoo | Back when it cost $100/year to have a domain registered. |
| 20:08.05 | JoshH | it was like that before, and more expensive, but having a bunch of shady companies doing it isn't necessarily better |
| 20:08.13 | unum | gandi won't give me a list of tlds..... |
| 20:08.27 | fozzmoo | Choice is a good thing. Live and learn. |
| 20:09.03 | unum | found it |
| 20:10.55 | eightyeight | unum: i transferred 9 domains. wasn't that big of a deal. |
| 20:11.28 | JoshH | it is fozzmoo, in theory, and in most cases |
| 20:11.48 | JoshH | but look at godaddy... willing to pretty much ruin the internet just for their own gain |
| 20:12.16 | JoshH | and there's no real reason why they need to exist |
| 20:12.33 | fozzmoo | Sure there is. If you open the market up to competition, there are going to be bad providers of services. |
| 20:13.08 | unum | I almost dumped them when they switch from linux/apache |
| 20:13.17 | fozzmoo | if you close the market and have one non-profit doing everything, you're bound to get expensive, mediocre service all the time and there's nothing you can do about it. |
| 20:13.43 | JoshH | but if all they did was make sure your domain belonged to you, what "service" would you need? |
| 20:13.58 | JoshH | it's a moot conversation anyway, since registars won't be goign away |
| 20:14.04 | fozzmoo | The guy (and all the girls) that run GoDaddy are not the brightest bulbs in the box, but they finally saw the light on SOPA. |
| 20:14.30 | JoshH | eh, i'm not convinced |
| 20:14.32 | fozzmoo | So, for now, I'll stick with them. Maybe I'll consider namecheap or another similar registrar when I need to register a new domain. |
| 20:16.02 | JoshH | the issue is that just moving yoru domain away doesn't really hurt them |
| 20:16.09 | JoshH | a domain makes them like a buck a year |
| 20:16.33 | fozzmoo | Right. Registration isn't a lucrative business. It's the value-added stuff that is gravy. |
| 20:16.41 | JoshH | companies that have a lot of other services with them would need to move, but outside a few examples, it's mostly just angry internet kids movign a domain or two that's making up this "boycott" |
| 20:16.51 | fozzmoo | Good point. |
| 20:17.17 | fozzmoo | The bad press was enough, apparently. |
| 20:17.51 | JoshH | well, they already gave sopa as much support as they needed to |
| 20:17.57 | unum | I have 18 domains |
| 20:18.01 | JoshH | whether it passes or not is out of their hands |
| 20:18.03 | fozzmoo | I'm guessing Mr. Daddy said, "Hey babe, these guys in D.C. want to 'Stop Online Piracy.' That sounds groovy, doesn't it?" |
| 20:18.09 | JoshH | them saying "we don't like it anymore" means nothing |
| 20:18.18 | JoshH | nah, it was more than that |
| 20:18.36 | JoshH | they gave a lot of advice on writing the bill, made themselves exempt from the parts that will be hard for other companies, etc |
| 20:18.42 | fozzmoo | REally? Sheeesh. |
| 20:18.43 | JoshH | they thought it would be a great competitive advantage for them |
| 20:18.49 | JoshH | never mind that another youtube would never be able to form |
| 20:23.48 | stderr- | well GoDaddy did nothing to reverse their support of SOPA. They just issued a press release. |
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| 21:01.18 | eggyknap | needs advice: where in Provo-ish should I go to get a new desktop, fast. |
| 21:02.05 | eggyknap | $job is paying, though I'd like to keep the cost decently low. Needs decent video -- I work with google earth lots -- and a fair bit of RAM, 'cuz I work with big databases lots too. |
| 21:02.40 | eggyknap | (well, big for a desktop. The multi-TB databases I work with will stay on servers) |
| 21:16.04 | fozzmoo | PC Discounters, probably. |
| 21:16.43 | fozzmoo | I've only worked with them a little bit, but people I know who deal with them regularly speak quite highly of them. |
| 21:18.54 | eggyknap | has been trying to find their website, and failed. |
| 21:19.05 | eggyknap | ...but I've been doing several other things simultaneously |
| 21:19.17 | eggyknap | I guess google found it for me this time. :) |
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| 21:43.08 | aarobc_work | interesting, it appears that eggyknap uses a client that makes him register some sort of username, and I know a person in provo that uses the username jtolley, I should bug him about that |
| 22:05.23 | jalbretsen | well, it finally happened |
| 22:05.40 | jalbretsen | we were placing bets on how long it would take for the construction guys to cut our fiber line |
| 22:07.53 | aarobc_work | jalbretsen: oh dear. How can you still internet? |
| 22:08.25 | jalbretsen | we have a "backup" qwest line |
| 22:08.59 | jalbretsen | switch a couple of network cables and poof, wireless works again |
| 22:09.45 | jalbretsen | had to switch the airport to the backup one that uses qwest plus cables |
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