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| 17:58.42 | eightyeight | sontek: I DID! i've tried convincing everyone i know to use zsh(1) and the dvorak keyboard layout, but i just get ignored |
| 17:59.05 | eightyeight | the world would be a better place if people would just listen to me! ツ |
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| 18:17.42 | jima | ok, arguments for using zsh, in a nutshell: go! |
| 18:17.55 | goozbach | jima: drain bramage |
| 18:18.24 | jima | will be happy to listen to well-formed points from a zealot |
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| 18:23.29 | eightyeight | ツ |
| 18:23.36 | eightyeight | 1) floating point arithmetic |
| 18:23.44 | eightyeight | 2) associated arrays |
| 18:24.15 | eightyeight | 3) superior tab-completion |
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| 18:25.38 | eightyeight | 4) superior documentation |
| 18:25.42 | eightyeight | 5) zlewidgets |
| 18:26.04 | sjansen | 6) geek points |
| 18:26.10 | eightyeight | definitely |
| 18:40.03 | Heartsbane | eightyeight: 7) shared history accross sessions |
| 18:40.29 | goozbach | Heartsbane: explain more |
| 18:40.37 | goozbach | shared history across concurrent sessions? |
| 18:40.48 | goozbach | i've got that with bash |
| 18:41.06 | goozbach | I had to add it seperately but it's not too difficult |
| 18:42.20 | Heartsbane | When having multiple terminals open, the history isn't shared, i.e. what you entered in one terminals history, doesn't show up in another one. when I first tried zsh it was enabled by default |
| 18:42.23 | eightyeight | oh, don't forget: |
| 18:42.27 | eightyeight | 8) $RPROMPT |
| 18:42.53 | Heartsbane | I found it so useful I just switched, that and points 3,4 |
| 18:43.24 | goozbach | eightyeight: what's $RPROMPT |
| 18:43.26 | goozbach | ? |
| 18:43.58 | stderr- | goozbach: prompt on the right side of the screen |
| 18:44.30 | eightyeight | yeah. it's awesome not having to figure out the width of your terminal, just to put something on the right hand side |
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| 18:45.55 | eightyeight | there's smaller things like proper quoting, that make the day-to-day stuff easier to work with |
| 18:45.58 | resplin | The best thing about zsh is that it is a drop-in replacement for bash.So the better question is "why shouldn't you switch". |
| 18:46.17 | resplin | I like that zsh doesn't traverse into parent directories when matching .* |
| 18:46.51 | eightyeight | it can behave like bash(1) or ksh(1), or do it's own thing. it's pretty slick |
| 18:47.15 | goozbach | will all of my crazy bash scripts work under zsh |
| 18:47.19 | goozbach | is that guarnteeed? |
| 18:47.21 | Heartsbane | eightyeight: does that use zshexpn |
| 18:47.31 | JoshH | i've started it a couple times, noticed that it didn't keep my same prompt and colorize ls, tried a couple other things, then always switch back |
| 18:47.33 | goozbach | I do have some crazy bashisms in my prompt and stuff |
| 18:47.55 | JoshH | i guess i should tak ethe time to actually setup the rc |
| 18:47.58 | eightyeight | JoshH: what do you mean 'didn't colorize ls'? |
| 18:48.11 | JoshH | didn't keep the alias for --color |
| 18:48.29 | JoshH | so basically, it doesn't just automatically use the bash settings |
| 18:48.36 | JoshH | and since i'm lazy... i just stick with bash |
| 18:48.54 | eightyeight | goozbach: apply '!#/bin/bash' to your crazy bash-ism scripts. lots of them will probably work natively though |
| 18:49.29 | Heartsbane | eightyeight: I have done something similar with my prompt in a precmd, I have seen you blog about it. But I would like to talk to you about customizing my prompt further, someday |
| 18:49.30 | eightyeight | JoshH: interesting. i've not had any issues with color on listing output |
| 18:50.04 | JoshH | eightyeight: it's only because it didn't automatically have the same aliases as a stock bashrc |
| 18:50.14 | eightyeight | Heartsbane: re: doing it's own thing, or behaving like another shell, i've never actually set that up so i'm not sure. i've always done my own thing |
| 18:50.18 | JoshH | minor complaint is all |
| 18:50.21 | eightyeight | ah |
| 18:52.25 | goozbach | is there a solarized theme? :/ |
| 18:53.24 | jima | interesting points for using zsh, thanks. sounds like i need to give it a shot. |
| 19:03.15 | fozzmoo | I love zsh, although the prompt I use (integrates git stuff) is problematic under screen. |
| 19:03.46 | fozzmoo | Probably another reason to get on the tmux bandwagon. |
| 19:05.22 | goozbach | http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/12/05/143062378/whats-behind-a-temper-tantrum-scientists-deconstruct-the-screams |
| 19:05.25 | brac | [What's Behind A Temper Tantrum? Scientists Deconstruct The Screams : Shots - Health Blog : NPR] |
| 19:08.13 | unum | goozbach: do you have a 3 year old like mine? |
| 19:10.56 | goozbach | nope |
| 19:11.04 | goozbach | just 8.5 months old |
| 19:11.51 | unum | we have a very strong willed 3 year old |
| 19:11.57 | unum | she throws lots of tantrums |
| 19:12.12 | unum | there will usually be atleast one soon after I get home each night. |
| 19:12.22 | unum | last friday it was because I put on Christmas music |
| 19:12.53 | eightyeight | heh |
| 19:16.31 | unum | eightyeight: how's your little one doing? |
| 19:16.36 | eightyeight | good |
| 19:16.39 | eightyeight | she just turned 4 |
| 19:16.56 | eightyeight | she's a handful |
| 19:16.56 | unum | our are pretty close in age |
| 19:17.02 | eightyeight | tons, and tons of energy |
| 19:17.21 | unum | ya, mine too, unfortunately I'm an old man |
| 19:17.25 | eightyeight | heh |
| 19:17.42 | eightyeight | ah, but think of the workout you're getting trying to keep up with her! ツ |
| 19:18.36 | JoshH | when i really actually "play" with my kids, i can be panting and out of breath after 2 minutes |
| 19:18.53 | eightyeight | exactly |
| 19:19.16 | eightyeight | it really is exercise to try and keep up with your kids |
| 19:24.03 | unum | JoshH: that's why I play legos and not tag :) |
| 19:24.19 | unum | she's small enough I can still play keep a way will sitting down |
| 19:24.46 | unum | I should take my anti-inflammatories, I think I was feeling a little bit better when I was on them |
| 19:38.00 | fozzmoo | heh heh. you guys. |
| 19:55.14 | jima | yes, lego is definitely my kind of activity |
| 20:09.07 | unum | I pulled out my old sets for my daughter on both saturday and sunday |
| 20:09.19 | unum | she really like playing with the little lego people |
| 20:09.26 | unum | pulling them apart and putting them back together |
| 20:09.50 | unum | but at one point she had a little story going with them taking a plane ride |
| 20:10.01 | fozzmoo | Over Thanksgiving, my son was at his grandparents house and was playing with a boatload of legos... He had probably 30 or 40 lego people heads in a pile. |
| 20:10.09 | fozzmoo | I said it looked like the French Revolution. He didn't get it. |
| 20:10.38 | fadein | speaking of legos, does anybody know a cost-effective way to get a bucket of plain legos? |
| 20:10.54 | fozzmoo | Used to be able to get them on ebay. |
| 20:10.58 | fadein | I don't want a $30 box of the branded legos that are intended to build one thing and one thing only |
| 20:11.05 | fozzmoo | DI used to be a good way to do it too. |
| 20:11.07 | fadein | I thought those were stupid as a kid, and still do |
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| 20:11.14 | fadein | fozzmoo: used to? |
| 20:11.31 | fozzmoo | MEGA BLOK makes Lego-compatible blocks and their boxes are less expensive and not so... themed. |
| 20:11.46 | fozzmoo | Now that the Lego patent has expired, I'd expect more companies to jump in. |
| 20:11.57 | fadein | fozzmoo: I'll look into those. I tried looking at one retailer, but they didn't have many choices |
| 20:12.00 | goozbach | mega-blok are not very high quality |
| 20:12.08 | goozbach | fadein: bricklink |
| 20:12.13 | goozbach | afol |
| 20:12.19 | goozbach | craigslist |
| 20:12.26 | JoshH | my kids have lots of lego/block type stuff, but the pieces tend to end up all around the house rather than put together to make things |
| 20:12.47 | fadein | JoshH: lol, i remember those days when I was a kid |
| 20:14.39 | fozzmoo | Better Blocks is another clone manufacturer. |
| 20:14.40 | fozzmoo | http://amzn.com/B0033CG2RM |
| 20:14.49 | fozzmoo | $18 for 730 pieces isn't bad. |
| 20:15.51 | fadein | I remember that commercial |
| 20:17.14 | fadein | I see this stuff and wonder how much of the Lego markup is because of superior manufacturing, and how much of it is for "the name" |
| 20:20.32 | goozbach | fadein: I'd say about 70/30 |
| 20:20.51 | goozbach | I've seen as many as 1/4 of megablocks not link properly |
| 20:21.19 | goozbach | not ever seen a lego block do the same |
| 20:22.15 | unum | I wonder if lego is moving more to the themed sets in order to differiate themselves now that their patent has expired |
| 20:24.44 | fozzmoo | Yes. Now they're patenting their collections. |
| 20:26.18 | unum | and licensing popular copyrights(star wars, etc) |
| 20:29.11 | goozbach | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/01/aluminum-technic-bricks.html |
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