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| 15:08.19 | eightyeight | fcodiaz: thx for letting us know. we were concerned |
| 15:08.46 | eightyeight | fcodiaz: mind killing the away script please? |
| 15:09.19 | peno | is away to annoy eightyeight |
| 15:10.04 | eightyeight | ~shoot peno |
| 15:10.04 | ibot | ACTION shoots peno in the head with a spitwad! |
| 15:10.12 | peno | :) |
| 15:10.35 | fozzmoo | Peno++ |
| 15:11.19 | fcodiaz | eightyeight, ? |
| 15:12.03 | fozzmoo | fcodiaz: (07:09:05 AM) ***fcodiaz is back (gone 40:20:35) |
| 15:12.27 | eightyeight | fcodiaz: there's no need for away scripts in irc |
| 15:12.36 | eightyeight | it just adds unnecessary noise to the channels |
| 15:12.44 | fozzmoo | So do some people. |
| 15:12.52 | eightyeight | indeed |
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| 15:14.08 | fcodiaz | eightyeight, got it |
| 15:14.50 | fcodiaz | normally don't do that here, but I left my computer unattended yesterday and automatically went away after all that time |
| 15:15.47 | eightyeight | thx |
| 15:17.17 | fcodiaz | ;) |
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| 15:20.15 | goozbach | fcodiaz: raising trouble again? |
| 15:20.17 | goozbach | :) |
| 15:20.53 | fcodiaz | as always! |
| 15:21.09 | goozbach | que bien! |
| 15:25.21 | fozzmoo | FF8! |
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| 16:16.16 | goozbach | $30K for a Masters degree!? |
| 16:16.20 | goozbach | where do i sign up?! |
| 16:16.22 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 16:16.57 | fozzmoo | I know he's looking for PHP "programmers," but still... yeeesh. |
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| 17:46.29 | rsimpkins | pashdown is going again. Wootz. |
| 17:46.41 | Migs | ? |
| 17:46.50 | macnewbold | yeah, go pashdown! |
| 17:47.05 | macnewbold | big announcement at the Capitol building, 11/11/11 at 1:11pm |
| 17:47.10 | Migs | oh he's running again??? |
| 17:47.11 | Migs | nice |
| 17:47.34 | rsimpkins | Hopefully we can see a major upset. That'd be so nice. |
| 17:48.42 | Migs | I consider myself obscenely conservative and Republican, but Hatch needs to go |
| 17:48.48 | rsimpkins | http://peteashdown.org/ |
| 17:49.05 | rsimpkins | Migs: Obscenely conservative? hehe |
| 17:49.10 | brac | [Pete Ashdown] |
| 17:49.24 | Migs | he needs a better web site |
| 17:49.25 | jsmith-busy | Is he a radical moderate? |
| 17:49.30 | pashdown | my nose was tingling |
| 17:49.53 | jsmith-busy | Funny how that works :-) |
| 17:50.18 | rsimpkins | pashdown: Thank you for being willing to run. |
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| 17:50.56 | pashdown | happy to try again! |
| 17:51.38 | jsmith-busy | pashdown: I'm in Virginia now, or I'd vote for you :-) |
| 17:52.02 | pashdown | never too late to move back |
| 17:52.03 | rsimpkins | How much did Hatch raise last go-around? |
| 17:52.25 | rsimpkins | I know he has already gotten millions for corporations outside of Utah. |
| 17:52.33 | rsimpkins | The sltrib ran a really interesting story about it. |
| 17:52.55 | pashdown | http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00009869&cycle=2012 |
| 17:52.57 | brac | [Orrin G. Hatch: Campaign Finance/Money - Summary - Senator 2012 | OpenSecrets] |
| 17:53.17 | rsimpkins | Holy cow. |
| 17:53.33 | rsimpkins | What percentage of that came from outside Utah? |
| 17:53.43 | JoshH | doesn't hatch always fly around in drug company jets? |
| 17:53.55 | JoshH | not that would influence his votes in any way |
| 17:54.15 | rsimpkins | I do not claim to understand how senators like Hatch get their money, but I have to say the more I learn the more depressed I get. |
| 17:54.17 | Migs | he's been in office longer than I've been alive? |
| 17:54.22 | Migs | wtf |
| 17:54.56 | Migs | pashdown: What are you going to do differently this time? |
| 17:55.26 | JoshH | attack ads and exposing a groping scandal |
| 17:55.33 | rsimpkins | lol |
| 17:55.46 | pashdown | a lot of what i did last time was in an effort to deal with 0% recognition. this time i intend to save as much as i can an focus our efforts in the last few months. |
| 17:56.15 | rsimpkins | pashdown: I'll be honest with you. I still think recognition is a big challenge. |
| 17:56.28 | pashdown | it always is for non-incumbents |
| 17:56.42 | Migs | nice |
| 17:56.55 | pashdown | i just won't be spending as much money on parades and county fairs this time |
| 17:57.23 | Migs | are you going to do TV ads? |
| 17:57.40 | pashdown | yes, thus the need to save our money |
| 17:58.57 | rsimpkins | To win, what realistically needs to happen? |
| 17:59.13 | macnewbold | rsimpkins: more voters turn out voting for pash than for orrin |
| 17:59.25 | rsimpkins | Yes, but which segment of voters to target, etc. |
| 17:59.28 | pashdown | add 20% to the 31% i got in 2006 |
| 17:59.52 | rsimpkins | Where do those 20% come from, is what I mean. |
| 18:00.24 | pashdown | new voters, disillusioned voters, and fed-up republicans |
| 18:00.57 | rsimpkins | I have no idea how people figure this stuff out, but I'm guessing you have. That adds up to 20%? |
| 18:01.22 | pashdown | let's just say a lot of it is speculation until it actually works. :-) |
| 18:07.47 | rsimpkins | I have a lot more questions, but will wait for some more official campaign stuff to be out there. |
| 18:08.12 | rsimpkins | Hatch has a big freakin' bullseye on him, and he knows that. |
| 18:08.42 | rsimpkins | Not in a 'creepy' way, but in a political 'you're outta here' kinda way. |
| 18:08.45 | JoshH | he would almost certainly lose to the right teabagger |
| 18:09.22 | rsimpkins | The tea party is only as important as their ability to align votes to a candidate. |
| 18:09.24 | JoshH | pashdown will have a tougher time, but it's possible. the trick is to make republicans hate him so bad they'll vote for a democrat |
| 18:09.31 | rsimpkins | They've shown they are pretty good at that. |
| 18:11.31 | rsimpkins | I think issue #1 for hatch will be to explain the large amount of cash he has aligned from outside the state. |
| 18:11.43 | rsimpkins | Just my opinion, though. |
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| 18:51.24 | JoshH | it's never hurt him before though |
| 18:51.38 | JoshH | its' pretty well known that he also gets money from like philip morris |
| 18:53.56 | JoshH | he just promises that he doesn't do anything to help the companies that give him money and it works fine for him |
| 18:55.34 | shalkie | Anyone else going to catch the EAS test this afternoon?> |
| 18:56.57 | fozzmoo | It will be interesting to see what pashdown does after Hatch is eliminated in the Primary. |
| 18:57.21 | pashdown | i wouldn't count hatch out at this point. he doesn't take anything for granted. |
| 18:57.26 | fozzmoo | What if we (Tea Party republicans) get a GOP candidate who is technology literate and copyright-sensible? :) |
| 18:57.52 | fozzmoo | pashdown: You should just run against him in the primary as a Tea Party black horse. :) |
| 18:58.28 | pashdown | my position that health insurance is a life & death casino is probably going to not fit well with their agenda |
| 18:58.58 | fozzmoo | Ugh. |
| 18:59.34 | pashdown | along with preserving the 4th amendment online. :-) |
| 18:59.56 | fozzmoo | YOu don't think TPers would be with you on that? |
| 19:00.09 | fozzmoo | They're big Constitution defenders. |
| 19:00.21 | JoshH | good luck with that fozzmoo |
| 19:00.32 | fozzmoo | Good luck with what? |
| 19:00.46 | fozzmoo | Getting pashdown to join the TP? :) |
| 19:00.55 | JoshH | 11:57 < fozzmoo> What if we (Tea Party republicans) get a GOP candidate who is technology literate and copyright-sensible? :) |
| 19:01.05 | fozzmoo | Oh. That. I believe it's possible. |
| 19:01.25 | fozzmoo | Dan Liljenquist's name is bantied about a lot lately. |
| 19:02.04 | fozzmoo | I don't know how he feels about copyrights, but he's a smart guy, techno-savvy. |
| 19:02.08 | shalkie | fozzmoo: Define copyright sensible... |
| 19:02.24 | JoshH | i've pretty much given up on copyright as an issue |
| 19:02.26 | fozzmoo | shalkie: Doesn't want to remotely blow up your computer if you've downloaded his music. |
| 19:02.28 | pashdown | fozz, the utah legislature hasn't been with me on that. |
| 19:02.29 | JoshH | these days i care more about healthcare and stuff |
| 19:03.26 | pashdown | yes joshh, i'd wager that less than 1% care about sensible copyright legislation |
| 19:03.35 | JoshH | i mean, i do care |
| 19:03.39 | fozzmoo | Sure. Me too. |
| 19:03.41 | JoshH | i just think the war has been lost already |
| 19:03.48 | JoshH | realistically |
| 19:04.34 | fozzmoo | Spending, cronyism, federalism, states' rights and my big button issues. |
| 19:04.45 | fozzmoo | sorry, ARE my big button issues. |
| 19:04.53 | JoshH | i'm against states rights, just because i live in utah and like beer |
| 19:05.50 | pashdown | we can agree on cronyism, or as i see it, unbalanced influence, and i think all other issues stem from that |
| 19:05.53 | fozzmoo | JoshH: You know that TP-minded legislators are talking about completely dismantling the Utah DABC |
| 19:05.58 | shalkie | fozzmoo: And yet Hatch is still in office some 8 years and one election since that stupid statement. Frankly I think the 75 years post death of author before entering public domain is a bigger threat. |
| 19:06.31 | pashdown | yes shalkie, but again, most people don't care about it |
| 19:06.33 | JoshH | fozzmoo: yes, which is good, but waddoups is still the senate president. also, realistically, they'll likely just let the stores have private owners, keep the socialized wholesale, and prices will go up |
| 19:06.40 | fozzmoo | I'm more concerned with crap like Protect IP, in that space. |
| 19:07.01 | shalkie | Anyways, odds are good I would vote for pashdown again if he is running. ;-) |
| 19:07.07 | JoshH | i will agree that in utah, the tea party is better than the republicans |
| 19:07.22 | fozzmoo | If it's Hatch vs Pashdown, then I definitely would vote for Pete too. |
| 19:07.25 | fozzmoo | (again) |
| 19:07.58 | fozzmoo | I just hope we can oust Hatch in the Primary and get a rightwing Pete, as it were, in the race. |
| 19:08.06 | JoshH | fozzmoo: but in general, i think the only reason many conservatives want states rights is because they want the ability to control what people do |
| 19:08.44 | fozzmoo | There may be some substance to that supposition, but I don't personally see it as being the case in all stances. |
| 19:09.08 | JoshH | the only exception i can think of is gun rights |
| 19:09.24 | JoshH | every other case, it's wanting to ban something |
| 19:09.42 | fozzmoo | Take Romney, for example. He defends MA's healthcare legislation saying it's in the purview of the states. His argument is constitutionally sound. |
| 19:09.54 | JoshH | but that's just his excuse, since he needs one |
| 19:10.02 | fozzmoo | No, it's always been his defense. |
| 19:10.24 | fozzmoo | He's gotten a lots of right-wing attacks from the get-go on that one. |
| 19:10.29 | pashdown | are you against a national health exchange? because the utah one is useless to me because i don't really care if you're beneficiarry partner is married to you or not. |
| 19:10.50 | pashdown | but apparently the utah legislature does. |
| 19:10.51 | fozzmoo | I don't know exactly what you mean by a national exchange. |
| 19:11.31 | pashdown | coordination of insurance providers. i write one check. the employee decides what they need. |
| 19:11.33 | fozzmoo | I think it's ridiculous that I can't buy health insurance from a company operating in Montana. There shouldn't be stupid regulations prohibiting that. |
| 19:11.47 | shalkie | I am on he utah exchange and I feel the same way as pashdown. But that has to do with the fact that it costs me a lot more for less then my previous carrier. |
| 19:11.49 | pashdown | but does that violate state's rights? |
| 19:11.52 | fozzmoo | I also think we should end the convention that employers choose/pay the insurance company. |
| 19:12.09 | pashdown | yeah, me too, and move to a single-payer system. |
| 19:12.14 | fozzmoo | GAh! |
| 19:12.26 | fozzmoo | I thought we were trying to save people money and improve quality?! |
| 19:12.39 | pashdown | other countries have figured that out, why can't we? |
| 19:12.41 | fozzmoo | A single-payer would do neither. |
| 19:12.48 | fozzmoo | Yeah. Let's all go to England. |
| 19:13.10 | pashdown | or japan, which has a completely workable two-tier system. |
| 19:13.18 | pashdown | or switzerland, which has privatized insurance. |
| 19:13.27 | pashdown | but none of our problems. |
| 19:13.47 | JoshH | i think full on universal is unrealistic here, because of how many people america has and how divided we are, but we should at least socialize the really expensive treatments so nobody has to be ruined |
| 19:13.52 | shalkie | Ah japan. I hear you can get an MRI for $90 there. |
| 19:14.51 | fozzmoo | There may be more socialized systems that work better than what we have now, but it's going to be difficult to convince me that a free market approach with minimal government assistance (and interference) wouldn't be better all around. |
| 19:15.30 | pashdown | what would keep a free market approach with no regulation from dumping your ass as soon as you get cancer? |
| 19:15.32 | fozzmoo | I'm personally of the (controversial) opinion that you're not entitled to the most expensive treatment. |
| 19:15.37 | JoshH | fozzmoo: it comes down to whether you believe healthcare should be a right we all have, like the right to have the cops or fire department come to help you, or something you should be able to get if you can afford it |
| 19:16.03 | JoshH | i think the expensive stuff A) doesn't really need to be that expensive, and B) is somethign that should be part of the main safety net |
| 19:16.11 | fozzmoo | Interesting that you mention the cops coming to help you. |
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| 19:16.29 | JoshH | everyone should be able to fork over a small amount for the basics, but nobody should die because they don't have 200k for something major |
| 19:16.30 | fozzmoo | Just reminds me of those scenarios where people die because they waited for the cops. |
| 19:16.55 | JoshH | did you cheer when ron paul said he would let the 30 year old die? |
| 19:17.10 | pashdown | is that the majority of cases with the police? |
| 19:17.23 | fozzmoo | And, look, I'm not sensitive to these issues. I'm a type-1 diabetic, insulin dependent. I'm nearly clinically deaf. And my sight is pretty bad too. |
| 19:17.48 | fozzmoo | As such, most private insurance companies laugh at me. |
| 19:18.01 | JoshH | i'd be happy to have a chunk of my taxes help you out |
| 19:18.11 | fozzmoo | When I was running my own business, we paid a 40% higher premium for everyone because of me. |
| 19:19.34 | fozzmoo | But, guess what. Bigger government is not the answer. Prior to the 1920s, people generally didn't go to the government for handouts, assistance. Enter Herbert Hoover and FDR. They changed everything and created this entitlement mentality that has perpetuated and grown to today. |
| 19:19.36 | JoshH | the idea that we need insurance, which is an industry that must deny people expensive care to stay in business, is just completely insane. people should just go to a doctor, pay some reasonable amount for what they need, and if they need somethign expensive and complex, there should be a reasonable, well run program for it |
| 19:19.43 | fozzmoo | What did people do before Hoover? |
| 19:19.56 | fozzmoo | And don't tell me they just died. |
| 19:20.26 | JoshH | well, a lot probably did |
| 19:20.32 | fozzmoo | The answer is that there was much more utilization of churches and charity-based organizations. |
| 19:20.58 | fozzmoo | I.e. entities that are 100 times more accountable with the money they give to help people. |
| 19:21.13 | fozzmoo | It's their JOB to help people. |
| 19:21.23 | JoshH | eh, lots of charities are a scam, and we all know people that mooch from the mormon's welfare |
| 19:21.34 | JoshH | but nothing is perfect |
| 19:22.23 | fozzmoo | A return to charity is what I'd like to see. That's not going to happen if we perpetuate this notion that the government is the go-to default for everything. |
| 19:22.49 | JoshH | charities can't help people with procedures that cost a million dollars |
| 19:23.05 | fozzmoo | That's an idea I would think pashdown would be onboard with as he's been involved in more charities than I can count. |
| 19:24.09 | fozzmoo | JoshH: You're right. You have to attack problems from multiple angles. Why the hell does a procedure cost a million dollars? Are they implanting a rare 10 carat diamond in your brain? |
| 19:24.29 | JoshH | the high costs are the root issue, imo |
| 19:24.30 | fozzmoo | How much of that is malpractice insurance? |
| 19:24.38 | fozzmoo | It's definitely a big part of the issue. |
| 19:24.56 | fozzmoo | I read a story a few months ago about the history of treating heart disease and heart attacks over the last 50 years. |
| 19:24.58 | JoshH | if healthcare was affordable in the first place, we wouldn't be in this predicament |
| 19:25.24 | fozzmoo | In the 1960s, doctors starting coming up with relatively simple, cheap solutions that extended a person's survival rate by 20% or more. |
| 19:25.26 | JoshH | if people with cancer only needed a couple grand for their treatments, friends/family/church/charity could easily help them out |
| 19:26.23 | fozzmoo | Over time, more and more new innovations have arrived for heart attack patients. Most recently, they've cost gazillions of dollars to bring to market and they only add a fraction of a percent to the survival rate. |
| 19:26.39 | fozzmoo | My problem is this: We assume that everyone's entitled to that most recent innovation. |
| 19:26.42 | JoshH | everything in health care is more expensive than it should be |
| 19:27.17 | JoshH | my mom's insurance company was charged 25k for a helicopter ride from southern utah to vegas after a crash a couple years ago |
| 19:27.28 | JoshH | you can buy helicopter flights in vegas to take you and your wife around for 400 |
| 19:27.38 | fozzmoo | Sure. |
| 19:27.45 | fozzmoo | Should have hired that company. ;-) |
| 19:28.11 | JoshH | a bottle of advil from a hospital is 10 times the price at a store |
| 19:28.17 | fozzmoo | Yep. |
| 19:29.17 | JoshH | we definitely need to find some way to get/keep the costs under control, but it seems like an almost insurmountable problem now. realistically, what would we do? |
| 19:29.39 | JoshH | just removing all regulations would solve some problems and cause more |
| 19:30.03 | fozzmoo | I think Sen. Liljenquist would have some interesting answers to those questions. |
| 19:30.54 | JoshH | but even on the rare occasions when someone truly smart gets into congress, nothing really changes |
| 19:30.59 | fozzmoo | But, back to pashdown for senate... |
| 19:31.13 | fozzmoo | I love the idea of my senator being on IRC. ;-) |
| 19:31.22 | fozzmoo | Just sayin'. |
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| 19:32.23 | pashdown | :) |
| 19:33.38 | JoshH | at this point, we need a supremely powerful benevolent dictator to fix all our problems |
| 19:33.52 | JoshH | or at least not just 2 parties that always oppose each other |
| 19:34.02 | fozzmoo | passes out |
| 19:34.44 | pashdown | fozz for dictator |
| 19:35.24 | fozzmoo | Ron Paul for Dictator. :) |
| 19:36.30 | fozzmoo | I'm not a RP supporter, but I really, really hope whichever GOP candidate wins the presidency in 2012 appoints him as an advisor in some capacity, maybe treasury sec. |
| 19:37.46 | sjansen | I'm half an hour late, but I'd just like to observe that most people don't care about copyright because it's easy to break the law without consequence. It's not easy to be certain that medial expenses won't force you into bankruptcy five years from now. |
| 19:39.20 | sjansen | I'm wearing one of my EFF shirts today, but for my vote fixing health care is more important than making sure it's possible to create the next YouTube. |
| 19:47.22 | sjansen | Oh, and RP as treasury secretary is deeply frightening. Anyone that thinks we should base our economy on the availability of a mineral is insane. |
| 19:51.42 | jima | i say we base our economy on SALT. |
| 19:52.01 | pashdown | worked for the romans |
| 19:52.44 | jima | spice must flow, etc |
| 19:52.58 | Migs | not for the Harkonnens |
| 19:53.02 | Migs | oh, that was spice |
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| 19:55.59 | goozbach | he who has the power to destroy a thing, controls a thing |
| 19:57.22 | pashdown | tell me of your homeworld usul |
| 19:57.55 | goozbach | s/your homeworld/the waters of your homeworld/ |
| 19:58.57 | jima | sweet, i made you guys dork out about dune, and i've never even seen it. |
| 20:00.15 | sjansen | First of all s/seen/read/ |
| 20:00.28 | sjansen | Second of all |
| 20:00.33 | goozbach | I donno stin in hotpants.... |
| 20:00.34 | sjansen | shuns jima |
| 20:00.41 | goozbach | s/stin/sting/ |
| 20:12.25 | jima | sjansen: either, yeah. |
| 20:12.49 | jima | also: trolling is an art. |
| 20:13.04 | sjansen | ibot: Please inform jima that I am shunning him/her/it. |
| 20:13.20 | jima | him. |
| 20:13.21 | sjansen | Wow... even ibot is shunning jima. |
| 20:13.40 | jima | or ibot is in on the trolling. |
| 20:13.44 | sjansen | Can't say I blame you, ibot. |
| 20:13.48 | sjansen | ~botsnack |
| 20:13.48 | ibot | sjansen: aw, gee |
| 20:34.13 | sjansen | ~git++ |
| 20:34.20 | goozbach | amen |
| 20:35.30 | fugue88 | ~tar++ |
| 20:35.59 | fugue88 | For backing up any git repo I have to do anything with, cause I stand about a 50% chance of blowing it up so that even a hard reset doesn't fix it... |
| 20:36.10 | fugue88 | s/cause/because/ |
| 20:36.20 | goozbach | fugue88: you're doing it wrong |
| 20:36.33 | fugue88 | goozbach: Probably. man pages *do* lie sometimes. |
| 20:36.38 | fugue88 | ;P |
| 20:36.49 | goozbach | no I mean your fault recovery method |
| 20:36.59 | goozbach | rm -rf someproject.git |
| 20:37.06 | goozbach | git clone remote:/someproject.git |
| 20:37.11 | goozbach | cd someproject.git |
| 20:37.14 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:37.46 | fugue88 | goozbach: Ah, normally, yes. My situation was different (I'm a special little snowflake). I was following someone else's repo, with local mods in mine. |
| 20:38.05 | fugue88 | But I'm open to edumacation about that scenario as well. |
| 20:38.17 | goozbach | ok then you start this way |
| 20:38.26 | goozbach | git clone someoneelse:someproject.git |
| 20:38.33 | goozbach | cd someproject.git |
| 20:38.38 | goozbach | hack hack hack |
| 20:38.42 | goozbach | git ci -m "my change" |
| 20:38.52 | goozbach | git push mybackupserver:/someproject.git |
| 20:39.03 | goozbach | git push mybackupserver:/someproject.git (or therebouts) |
| 20:39.14 | goozbach | then you have your own little backup |
| 20:39.26 | fugue88 | Like tar? Awesome! ;) |
| 20:39.26 | goozbach | when things go south |
| 20:39.34 | fugue88 | listens for the good part |
| 20:39.37 | goozbach | like tar but using git! |
| 20:39.39 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:39.46 | goozbach | it's cheap |
| 20:40.01 | goozbach | uses less space than 20 tarballs |
| 20:40.14 | goozbach | or if it's already on something like github |
| 20:40.21 | goozbach | there's a little "fork" button |
| 20:40.23 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:40.24 | fugue88 | Alright, so my local blows up. Then what? |
| 20:40.35 | goozbach | rm -rf someproject.git |
| 20:40.35 | fugue88 | I've got a backup git repo, and... |
| 20:40.45 | goozbach | git clone mybackupserver:/someproject.git |
| 20:40.53 | goozbach | go back to work |
| 20:40.58 | sjansen | I hope I never again have to live in a world without "git rebase -i", "git add -i", "git commit --amend", or "git reset". |
| 20:41.08 | sjansen | Or git mergetool. |
| 20:41.38 | fugue88 | goozbach: Okay, so I clone my backup. Then, what does "git fetch" (or is it "git pull") do? Grab the "latest" from my backup, or from the original upstream? |
| 20:41.49 | goozbach | fugue88: from your backup |
| 20:41.55 | fugue88 | How would I swtich that? |
| 20:42.01 | goozbach | to the upstream? |
| 20:42.04 | fugue88 | Yes. |
| 20:42.31 | goozbach | git remote add upstream someoneelse:someproject.git |
| 20:42.36 | goozbach | git pull upstream master |
| 20:42.42 | goozbach | git push origin |
| 20:42.53 | goozbach | and all the upstream changes are now in your backup |
| 20:42.59 | fugue88 | All 3? |
| 20:43.11 | goozbach | and in local |
| 20:43.14 | goozbach | yup |
| 20:43.52 | goozbach | fugue88: want to practice? |
| 20:43.57 | goozbach | have a github account? |
| 20:43.57 | sjansen | Well, really only have to be repeated regularly. And they can be combined in a trivial alias. |
| 20:44.11 | goozbach | sjansen: true |
| 20:44.23 | goozbach | but I was using the full example for explination purposes |
| 20:44.33 | goozbach | heck you don't even need a github repo |
| 20:45.42 | goozbach | ohhh he left |
| 20:45.44 | goozbach | :( |
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| 20:54.53 | fugue88 | goozbach: Hmm, you made my box afraid. :) |
| 20:54.59 | sjansen | git clone fugue88 fugue88-backup |
| 20:55.08 | fugue88 | :D |
| 20:55.55 | goozbach | fugue88: didja want to practice to see what I was talking about |
| 20:55.59 | goozbach | I just tried it myself |
| 20:56.13 | fugue88 | goozbach: Sure, one sec. |
| 20:56.14 | goozbach | ? |
| 20:57.25 | fugue88 | Okay, I've got a remote to clone... |
| 20:57.30 | goozbach | https://goozbach@github.com/goozbach/fork-practice.git |
| 20:57.34 | goozbach | git clone https://goozbach@github.com/goozbach/fork-practice.git |
| 20:57.43 | fugue88 | Or I'll use that. :) |
| 20:58.02 | fugue88 | password? |
| 20:58.12 | fugue88 | empty seemed to work. |
| 21:00.05 | fugue88 | goozbach: Okay, I've made a local change and committed it. I wanted to `git push ../backup` but it didn't like that. |
| 21:00.20 | fugue88 | Standing in fork-practise right now. |
| 21:00.54 | fugue88 | Would (up a directory level) `git clone fork-practise backup` work just as well? |
| 21:01.06 | goozbach | git init --bare ../backup-fork |
| 21:01.30 | fugue88 | k |
| 21:01.45 | goozbach | git push ../backup-fork master |
| 21:01.54 | fugue88 | Done. |
| 21:02.01 | goozbach | oh noes! |
| 21:02.08 | goozbach | you've destroyed your local |
| 21:02.09 | goozbach | cd .. |
| 21:02.09 | fugue88 | blows something up |
| 21:02.15 | goozbach | rm -rf fork-practice |
| 21:02.38 | goozbach | git clone backup-fork fork-practice |
| 21:02.46 | goozbach | cd fork-practice |
| 21:02.48 | goozbach | git log |
| 21:02.52 | goozbach | or whatever |
| 21:02.58 | goozbach | verify your local change exists |
| 21:03.08 | fugue88 | Have the local change. |
| 21:03.22 | goozbach | good |
| 21:03.35 | goozbach | what does git remote -v show? |
| 21:03.44 | fugue88 | origin /tmp/backup (fetch) |
| 21:03.44 | fugue88 | origin /tmp/backup (push) |
| 21:03.50 | goozbach | kk |
| 21:03.57 | goozbach | just a sec and I'll make an upstream change |
| 21:05.20 | goozbach | now add my repo again as upstream like this |
| 21:05.26 | goozbach | git remote add upstream https://goozbach@github.com/goozbach/fork-practice.git |
| 21:05.32 | goozbach | and then run |
| 21:05.39 | goozbach | git pull upstream master |
| 21:05.40 | sjansen | Instead of git push ../backup-fork master |
| 21:05.48 | sjansen | I would recommend git push --all ../backup-fork |
| 21:05.57 | goozbach | sjansen: good point |
| 21:06.00 | fugue88 | nods |
| 21:06.07 | fugue88 | pulls |
| 21:06.30 | goozbach | you should see the file upstream-change |
| 21:06.33 | goozbach | empty file |
| 21:06.43 | fugue88 | Yup. |
| 21:06.44 | goozbach | and you should see your local changes |
| 21:06.48 | goozbach | and you're golden |
| 21:06.52 | goozbach | ta-da! |
| 21:07.29 | goozbach | the more github'y way to do that is the same workflow but instead of directly cloning my repo you'd fork the repo on github |
| 21:07.32 | fugue88 | Okay, so in the course of doing this, I used to refer to your upstream as origin, but now I've given it the name upstream, with the backup being named origin, correct? |
| 21:07.33 | goozbach | then clone your fork |
| 21:07.43 | goozbach | fugue88: that is correct |
| 21:07.49 | goozbach | origin ain't nothing but a name however |
| 21:07.57 | goozbach | if you wanted to you could rename them |
| 21:08.05 | goozbach | I don't recall how at the moment |
| 21:08.08 | fugue88 | Is "origin" special in any way, so that if a name's omitted git assumes "origin"? |
| 21:08.18 | goozbach | I think that's the case |
| 21:08.24 | fugue88 | Okay. |
| 21:08.28 | goozbach | but it may not be special per se |
| 21:08.32 | fugue88 | Right. |
| 21:09.09 | goozbach | I think it has to do with the branch <NAME> stanza in .git/config |
| 21:09.33 | fugue88 | Yeah, and that looks easily editable. Although *I'd* probably blow something up in the process. |
| 21:09.34 | goozbach | in my repo it ties the branch 'master' to the remote 'origin' |
| 21:09.41 | sjansen | git config --global alias.backup "push --all" |
| 21:09.44 | goozbach | and if you did, you've got a backup! |
| 21:10.17 | fugue88 | ~goozbach++ |
| 21:10.21 | goozbach | other than omiting branches other than master, what do you think of that workflow sjansen? |
| 21:10.23 | fugue88 | ~sjansen++ |
| 21:10.27 | fugue88 | ~bzr++ |
| 21:10.30 | fugue88 | ;) |
| 21:11.04 | goozbach | ~DRCS+ |
| 21:11.14 | fugue88 | They *make* that??? |
| 21:11.18 | fugue88 | :) |
| 21:11.23 | goozbach | make what? |
| 21:11.30 | fugue88 | DRCS. |
| 21:11.32 | goozbach | distrubuted revision control systems? |
| 21:11.47 | fugue88 | I thought you were joking that someone made a distributed version of the vcs known as RCS. |
| 21:12.04 | goozbach | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_revision_control |
| 21:12.11 | goozbach | hah! |
| 21:12.15 | goozbach | that'd be awesome! |
| 21:12.21 | sjansen | goozbach: I've re-read you recent comments but I'm not sure I understand your question. |
| 21:13.03 | goozbach | I had one bug in my workflow |
| 21:13.13 | goozbach | I wasn't accounting for non-master branches |
| 21:13.24 | goozbach | which your suggestion of push --all fixed that |
| 21:13.39 | goozbach | my question is does that backup workflow work? |
| 21:13.47 | goozbach | is it a good 'best practice' |
| 21:14.03 | sjansen | My personal workflow is that master is a pure clone or origin. All real work happens in branches. |
| 21:14.28 | goozbach | I aggree with that |
| 21:15.05 | goozbach | but regardless the "fork backup" paridigm works? |
| 21:15.15 | goozbach | I've used it a lot |
| 21:15.20 | goozbach | just not sure if there's a better way |
| 21:15.33 | goozbach | and yes, I used to do fugue88's tar backup system at one point |
| 21:15.45 | fugue88 | can't take the credit ;) |
| 21:15.58 | goozbach | and before that it was a directory .old/ with bunches of copies of the repo |
| 21:16.50 | sjansen | I've found that having an intermediate repo between me at the real origin isn't worth it. But that's because I'm lazy. |
| 21:18.01 | goozbach | but for those who are afraid of "blowing something up" it works |
| 21:18.35 | goozbach | and in anything I'm in control of the "real origin" (ie I'm the creator/maintainer) I don't use this workflow either |
| 21:19.04 | goozbach | I only do it when I want to fork an upstream and have my changes safe |
| 21:19.10 | goozbach | and in a different location |
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