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| 16:14.12 | sjansen | ~hug vlc for support pitch corrected accelerated playback |
| 16:14.13 | ibot | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs vlc for support pitch corrected accelerated playback |
| 16:14.15 | sjansen | ~vlc++ |
| 16:14.55 | Gate | isn't it great? |
| 16:15.13 | Gate | has no idea what pitch corrected accelerated playback is |
| 16:15.19 | eightyeight | ~lart beefy miracle |
| 16:15.19 | ibot | turns beefy miracle into a lifesized tux doll |
| 16:15.38 | Gate | -_^ thats slightly disturbing. |
| 16:16.18 | jsmith | How did I know that the release name was going to be so polarizing?!? |
| 16:17.44 | lukfugl | Gate: I'm guessing it's playing back at 150%, 200%, etc. but having the audio in the right register |
| 16:17.45 | sjansen | Where's the beef? Fedora! |
| 16:18.18 | sjansen | I for one welcome the beefy goodness of F17, although comparing it to $DEITY is perhaps a step too far. |
| 16:20.08 | sjansen | Gate, lukfugl: Exactly. I'm listening to a presentation at 2x and it sounds like an auction not a Chipmunks episode. |
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| 16:37.47 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | turntable.fm/utah | Yay! Beefy Miracle - keeping Linux fun. :-) |
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| 16:39.16 | Gate | seriously? You people are naming your release "beefy miracle"? |
| 16:39.26 | Gate | thats hilarious. |
| 16:40.20 | levi | ... |
| 16:40.35 | levi | Who's naming a release that? |
| 16:40.55 | sjansen | Fedora 17* |
| 16:41.04 | fozzmoo | grins |
| 16:41.07 | fozzmoo | I like it. |
| 16:41.19 | fozzmoo | Better than "Verne" :) |
| 16:41.36 | sjansen | http://wm161.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/do-it-with-relish-f17.png |
| 16:41.57 | fozzmoo | Makes me think of Ernest P. Worrell. |
| 16:42.27 | jalbretsen | Official Linux Sponsor of Major League Baseball |
| 16:44.47 | sjansen | The best part is that while the name is fun, it won't be shoved down everyone's throat because most of the Fedora community has the good sense to use numbers when referring to releases. |
| 16:45.08 | jsmith | http://beefymiracle.org/ |
| 16:45.31 | levi | That is good sense indeed. I hate the whole external internal code name thing. |
| 16:45.45 | Gate | so "Do it with relish" makes me think that y'all are doing integration testing with cucumber. https://www.relishapp.com/ |
| 16:48.37 | eightyeight | yet, "f17" is still a far cry from "ubuntu 11.10" |
| 16:48.44 | eightyeight | too bad they don't use it |
| 16:49.15 | eightyeight | what are they on now? poopy penguin? |
| 16:50.37 | sjansen | Not a clue. I've never managed to remember an Ubuntu code name for longer than 24 hours. |
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| 18:28.41 | unum | http://ask.slashdot.org/story/11/10/11/1650246/ask-slashdot-standard-software-development-environments |
| 18:28.47 | unum | I did the opposite of that guy |
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| 18:55.03 | JoshH | https://gist.github.com/1277224 |
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| 19:49.47 | levi | unum: Went from a totally low-process environment to a high-process one? |
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| 20:14.35 | sjansen | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/10/11/1845226/linux-kernel-developer-declares-virtualbox-driver-crap |
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| 21:22.13 | sjansen | wishes he had payed better attention in his statistics classes |
| 21:22.49 | fugue88 | sjansen: You're probably average in that regard. ;P |
| 21:24.35 | lukfugl | let's construct a t-test to find out |
| 21:25.29 | fugue88 | I don't have much confidence in those. |
| 21:37.43 | unum | levi: ya |
| 21:46.21 | jalbretsen | does the ruby binary have some soft of magical powers that says look for other versions of ruby in $PATH and if you found a newer one, use that? |
| 21:47.09 | lukfugl | um, no? |
| 21:47.29 | jalbretsen | puppet was complaining and not starting, ruby 1.8.5 installed (CentOS 5). Yet /usr/bin/ruby -v claimed it was 1.8.7 |
| 21:47.31 | sjansen | jalbretsen: Why? |
| 21:47.34 | lukfugl | at least not that I've heard of / experienced |
| 21:47.50 | jalbretsen | turns out another version that was compiled ages ago was sitting in /usr/local/bin/ruby |
| 21:47.57 | jalbretsen | that was.... 1.8.7 |
| 21:48.16 | sjansen | Easy explanation: different $PATH. |
| 21:48.17 | lukfugl | yay 'which' |
| 21:49.16 | jalbretsen | so I move /usr/local/bin/ruby to /usr/local/bin/ruby.wft, then run /usr/bin/ruby -v (full path) and it spits out /usr/local/bin/ruby not found. |
| 21:49.33 | sjansen | That's just bash. |
| 21:49.39 | fugue88 | hash -r ? |
| 21:50.28 | jalbretsen | how is it bash, I gave a full path |
| 21:50.39 | jalbretsen | it has no need to search $PATH |
| 21:50.57 | sjansen | jalbretsen: Bash memorizes the path to commands you've already run. See fugue88's response. |
| 21:51.11 | sjansen | Oh, wait... |
| 21:51.15 | fugue88 | Although, I agree that it doesn't make sense given the absolute path was specified. |
| 21:51.22 | sjansen | file /usr/bin/ruby |
| 21:51.34 | fugue88 | Maybe /usr/bin/ruby is a shell script, starting with #!/usr/local/bin/ruby? |
| 21:52.14 | jalbretsen | heh |
| 21:52.15 | sjansen | suspects someone has done something underhanded, evil and wrong to your system. |
| 21:52.56 | lukfugl | like installing ruby 1.8.5 |
| 21:53.33 | jalbretsen | Luckily, the compiled version of ruby is compatable with puppet 2.6, so I just added some symlinks in /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby and tricked it into working |
| 21:54.12 | sjansen | So is /usr/bin/ruby actually a binary? Or is it in fact some perverted shell script? |
| 21:54.19 | jalbretsen | it is a binary |
| 21:54.39 | jalbretsen | 64-bit LSB executable |
| 21:55.05 | jalbretsen | so I guess it's a perverted binary |
| 21:56.54 | eightyeight | which(1). ick. |
| 21:58.48 | sjansen | eightyeight: Don't worry, I'm sure lukfugl meant RH's even less predictable wrapper around which(1). |
| 21:59.16 | lukfugl | sjansen: you dare malign me be insinuating I'd use redhat? |
| 21:59.56 | jalbretsen | and now that the distro wars have started, I must head up to teach physics |
| 22:00.15 | sjansen | Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you hadn't achieved enlightenment yet. |
| 22:00.47 | lukfugl | enlightenment comes in many forms |
| 22:01.13 | eightyeight | distro wars? what is distro-specific about using which(1), other than every unix-like operating system gets it different? |
| 22:01.41 | jalbretsen | each is different, but which is "correct" |
| 22:01.45 | jalbretsen | pun intended |
| 22:01.58 | eightyeight | none, so far as which(1) is concerned |
| 22:02.12 | eightyeight | posix my friend, is true enlightenment |
| 22:02.18 | sjansen | likes which, but isn't silly enough to use it in a shell script |
| 22:02.38 | sjansen | especially likes RH's helpful which wrapper |
| 22:03.49 | eightyeight | places http://pthree.org/?p=2054 for jalbretsen's enlightenment |
| 22:04.13 | sjansen | Nah, POSIX is a compromise. An anachronism designed by committee. An unusually successful compromise, but blessed only in comparison to its more retched alternatives. |
| 22:05.53 | lukfugl | yeah, I've never used which as a script element. and having read that, I never will. still seems useful to me when a human is interpreting the output |
| 22:06.20 | eightyeight | maybe so, but you'll have better success cross-platform sticking to posix than not |
| 22:06.56 | sjansen | You'll have even more success avoiding the cross platform trap. |
| 22:07.11 | sjansen | Cross platform is just a kind way of saying lowest common denominator. |
| 22:07.11 | eightyeight | sometimes it's unavoidable |
| 22:07.38 | eightyeight | i had to satisfy 3 versions of rhel, 3 versions of hpux and 2 versons of solaris at my last gig |
| 22:08.23 | eightyeight | thankfully, i'm not doing that now |
| 22:43.55 | levi | Bah, POSIX. Way past its expiration date. Useful, yes, but only because it's mature and there's a crap-ton of stuff built on it. |
| 22:45.52 | levi | It's ridiculous that there's a new hardware platform gaining steam that's not x86 and we get... the same old OS on it. |
| 22:49.38 | levi | x86 needs to die. POSIX needs to die. C needs to die. |
| 22:56.23 | unum | can we keep ascii? ;) |
| 22:56.55 | lukfugl | as a subset of unicode, yes. but only the subset :) |
| 23:00.23 | eightyeight | heh |
| 23:00.30 | eightyeight | levi: you forgot unix |
| 23:04.43 | levi | eightyeight: It falls under the POSIX umbrella. |
| 23:05.00 | eightyeight | ah |
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