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| 16:45.13 | eightyeight | any idea why trying to do a network boot with an intel boot agent, that it's not receiving a lease from the dhcpd? |
| 16:46.08 | eightyeight | yet, when booting off a live environment, i can run 'dhclient eth0' and get a lease |
| 16:46.39 | goozbach | eightyeight: what kind of switch? |
| 16:46.43 | goozbach | look into portfast |
| 16:46.57 | eightyeight | looking at /var/log/messages on the dhcpd, there is clearly a lease being handed out, but tcpdump(8) shows nothing on the wire |
| 16:47.06 | eightyeight | goozbach: juniper |
| 16:47.21 | goozbach | on most modern switches they have a delay while waiting for STP to see if a switch or computer is plugged into the port |
| 16:47.23 | eightyeight | s/nothing on the wire/no lease on the wire/ |
| 16:47.55 | goozbach | and it causes dhcp timeouts when deailing with PXE or Boot stuff |
| 16:48.02 | eightyeight | ok. i'll check into that |
| 16:49.20 | jima | curse you, spamming tree! i mean, spanning tree. |
| 16:49.58 | goozbach | jima: it saves the dumb folks a lot of headaches with routing loops |
| 16:50.21 | jima | err...wouldn't that generally be switching loops? |
| 16:50.30 | goozbach | and honestly who outside a sysadmin/netadmin worries about things like that? |
| 16:50.33 | goozbach | er yeah |
| 16:50.36 | goozbach | swtiching loops |
| 16:50.47 | goozbach | still not awake aparently |
| 16:50.50 | jima | but yes, i understand its purpose. it's just annoying how often it causes headaches, particularly with netbooting :-) |
| 16:51.39 | goozbach | jima: the first thing I ever do with a new switch fabric deployment is layout which ports will be uplink and mark them somehow. |
| 16:51.50 | goozbach | then I turn on portfast on everything else |
| 16:52.07 | Sargun_Screen | is pandora not working for anyone else? |
| 16:52.20 | Sargun_Screen | Don't enable spanning tree, except at the edge in modern networks |
| 16:52.27 | jima | doesn't listen at work, still hasn't figured out the local IT policy for streaming media. :- |
| 16:52.29 | Sargun_Screen | Spanning treee is not for failing over your drunk links. |
| 16:52.39 | Sargun_Screen | trunk links even |
| 16:52.49 | goozbach | but also the feature which disables a port if it is miss-plugged |
| 16:52.51 | jima | you're a drunk link |
| 16:52.58 | goozbach | drunk link? |
| 16:53.05 | jima | sargun, that is |
| 16:53.07 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: you mean loop prevention... |
| 16:53.29 | goozbach | imagines a green betuniced fellow downing mead after mead |
| 16:53.37 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: people who use it to failover ISLs is a bad thing |
| 16:53.42 | jima | goozbach: :-D |
| 16:55.44 | Sargun_Screen | I'm fighting with big buffers |
| 16:55.50 | Sargun_Screen | right now |
| 16:55.57 | Sargun_Screen | I think bad buffers are worse than loops. |
| 16:55.59 | goozbach | I like big buffers and i cannot lie! |
| 16:56.09 | goozbach | you other switches can't deny |
| 16:56.28 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: No. |
| 16:56.42 | goozbach | when a packet comes in with a massive mtu and a download....I giveup |
| 16:57.08 | goozbach | needs to stop procrastinating and get something done |
| 16:57.28 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: No, big buffers really don't help that unless you're funneling down pipe size, and horribly oversubscribed. |
| 16:59.10 | Sargun_Screen | especially with wirespeed swiching/backplane capacity of this day in age |
| 17:00.28 | Sargun_Screen | Why do I feel I'm being trolled...every day :[ |
| 17:00.31 | goozbach | starts singing jumbo frames in the style of "chocolate rain" |
| 17:02.48 | jima | goozbach: thank goodness i wasn't the only one to think of that when i saw "big buffers" |
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| 18:27.41 | sjansen | I'm considering using a varchar(14) to represent a set of week days. |
| 18:28.07 | sjansen | Part of my is worried that's a bad idea. Part of me thinks anything fancier would be overkill. |
| 18:28.15 | sjansen | Opinions? |
| 18:29.15 | jima | why 14? |
| 18:29.22 | sjansen | TuTh |
| 18:29.52 | sjansen | SuMoTuWeThFrSa |
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| 18:30.00 | jima | i understand verbosity, but is there any reason you couldn't have it be a set of 7 binary values? |
| 18:30.40 | jima | (not that i'm convinced that's simpler, more compact, or remotely elegant) |
| 18:32.38 | sjansen | Slightly less human readable, but much easier to parse. An easier to search. I like it. |
| 18:34.21 | jima | the varchar just seemed like ridiculous overkill from a data storage standpoint. |
| 18:34.30 | jima | *shrug* |
| 18:34.41 | jima | i'm neither a programmer nor a dba. use at your own risk, etc. |
| 18:34.55 | fugue88 | sjansen: What db? |
| 18:35.25 | sjansen | Oh I'm keeping the varchar 'cause Postgres can represent bits but the Django ORM can't. |
| 18:35.50 | fugue88 | Ah, you anticipated where I was going. :) |
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