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| 15:16.10 | eightyeight | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | turntable.fm/utah | Uncle PLUG needs YOU! | Happy 18th Birthday Debian: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110816 |
| 15:16.13 | eightyeight | meh |
| 15:16.14 | *** topic/#utah by eightyeight -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | turntable.fm/utah | Uncle PLUG needs YOU! | Happy 18th Birthday Debian: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110816 |
| 15:16.17 | eightyeight | fail |
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| 17:57.26 | supaplex | meow what |
| 17:59.14 | eightyeight | levi: that was a long reboot |
| 17:59.32 | eightyeight | you might want to look into making your box a bit more performant. ã |
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| 18:43.50 | levi | eightyeight: Well, the reboot was really quick, but I was busy with other things so I didn't log in again until just now. |
| 18:44.09 | eightyeight | i figured. just giving you some crap |
| 18:44.15 | levi | I had just built a new desktop PC and I was putting it through its paces. :) |
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| 20:10.07 | sjansen | Why does levi get all the crap? |
| 20:10.12 | sjansen | I want some crap too. |
| 20:10.31 | sjansen | eightyeight is greedy, hoarding all the crap for himself. |
| 20:10.50 | goozbach | sjansen: I've got some lovely suse xml for you |
| 20:11.03 | goozbach | you can only use sed to edit it however |
| 20:18.48 | jalbretsen | sjansen: I've tried to give you crap, but you continue to refuse to watch Knight Rider 2008 |
| 20:19.21 | levi | So, anyone looked at zeromq? |
| 20:19.30 | lukfugl | a few years ago |
| 20:19.41 | lukfugl | but not in depth, and I don't remember much |
| 20:20.03 | lukfugl | actually, I think I looked at amqp, and just heard about zeromq slightly more recently |
| 20:21.04 | eightyeight | levi: apparently, tom hatch wrote salt such that it takes advantage of it |
| 20:21.13 | jalbretsen | http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/08/15/tardis-corset-pic/ Question is, is it bigger on the inside |
| 20:21.47 | levi | Oh my. |
| 20:21.57 | lukfugl | bwuh |
| 20:22.20 | levi | amqp is kind of cool, too, but I like the simpler, lighter-weight nature of 0mq. |
| 20:22.55 | levi | Zed Shaw uses 0mq to connect mongrel2 to backend application handlers, which is really sweet. |
| 20:23.49 | eightyeight | ~crap sjansen |
| 20:23.56 | eightyeight | ~whalepoop sjansen |
| 20:23.57 | ibot | ACTION catapults a truckload of whale poop from a freakishly large killer whale named Hugh at sjansen |
| 20:24.03 | eightyeight | there's some crap |
| 20:24.47 | levi | Google Protocol Buffers plus 0mq gives a pretty flexible application coordination mechanism, since 0mq has a whole bunch of transports it can use, from inter-thread communication to TCP to multicast IP. |
| 20:25.25 | levi | And 0mq gives you a nice simple socket-style abstraction to use provided by a lightweight C library. |
| 20:25.58 | sjansen | levi: Have you actually played with mongrel2? I'm really curious about it, but it's not high enough on my todo list to do anything yet. |
| 20:26.20 | levi | sjansen: No, I've been focusing on nginx because I didn't know about mongrel2 until today. |
| 20:27.15 | sjansen | nginx as webserver/proxy, or platform? |
| 20:27.46 | levi | I'm not looking into it for any big reason, just to replace a PHP/javascript chat application that was crashing a virtual server due to too many apache/mod_php processes being forked. :P |
| 20:28.50 | levi | Well, initially I was looking at nginx+php-fpm as a more or less drop-in replacement for apache/mod_php for this site. |
| 20:30.16 | levi | And then I noticed that there's a http_push module for nginx that implements a simple message queue. But it may be a bit too simplistic for my purposes, so I looked at more general messague queues that could be hooked up to make a fairly lightweight http-based chat server without a ton of work. |
| 20:31.09 | levi | It's amazing how much poorly-architected legacy crap we all live with in the software world. |
| 20:32.15 | fozzmoo | Okay. Stupid question: What can/do you do with a L3 Ethernet switch vs. an L2 Ethernet switch? |
| 20:32.48 | fugue88 | Virtual LAN segments |
| 20:32.54 | fugue88 | iirc |
| 20:33.02 | levi | VLANS are in Layer 2. |
| 20:33.05 | fugue88 | d'oh |
| 20:33.13 | fozzmoo | Yeah- I've done VLANs on L2 switches many a time. |
| 20:35.07 | levi | An L3 switch is basically a router with switch-like hardware support for some of the routing operations, apparently, but without some of the WAN features of typical routers. |
| 20:35.27 | fozzmoo | Huh. |
| 20:36.11 | levi | So if you need to do routing between VLANs or whatever very quickly, etc. |
| 20:48.21 | levi | So L2 switches *support* VLANs and can bridge them, but L3 switches can route between them. |
| 20:51.01 | tvc123 | L3 is generally considered routing |
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| 20:52.54 | levi | tvc123: Yet devices called 'L3 switches' are sold, which was the source of the confusion. |
| 20:53.12 | levi | The 'switch' thing says L2, while L3 says... well, L3. |
| 20:53.36 | tvc123 | yeah generally they just have "some" routing capacity ... although like you say confusing |
| 20:54.12 | levi | It's "some" routing capacity, but it's also very fast due to being implemented in ASICs rather than software, like in a traditional router. |
| 20:56.50 | levi | Gateway routers generally don't have the kind of speed requirements that LAN infrastructure does, since WAN gateways typically have way lower bandwidth than the LAN links. |
| 21:04.33 | eightyeight | looking for some help from someone with the git-fu |
| 21:04.54 | eightyeight | i tried doing a 'git pull', and it errors out complaining about local changes that will be overwritten by merge |
| 21:05.04 | eightyeight | i don't care about those 3 changes. how can i ignore them? |
| 21:05.33 | levi | eightyeight: You need to revert them, but I don't recall the command to do it. |
| 21:05.44 | levi | eightyeight: Or you could stash them. |
| 21:05.59 | eightyeight | i couldn't understand the git stash manual |
| 21:06.03 | eightyeight | i'll checkout git revert |
| 21:06.37 | levi | Just type 'git stash' and then do your pull. |
| 21:06.47 | levi | IIRC, anyway. |
| 21:08.38 | levi | And then you can 'git stash drop' if you don't want to re-apply the changes, or 'git stash pop' if you do. |
| 21:09.36 | eightyeight | that worked, but now i have a stash in a dirty working directory, with the changes staill waiting to be committed, yes? |
| 21:10.25 | levi | The stash works like a stack, and you can clear it out whenever you want if you don't want to keep what's in it. |
| 21:10.37 | eightyeight | i see |
| 21:14.33 | levi | git stash defaults to 'git stash save', which is the push operation. 'git stash pop' is the inverse, and 'git stash drop' takes the top off and discards it instead of applying it as pop does. |
| 21:14.54 | eightyeight | yup. got it |
| 21:15.05 | levi | I've never used it beyond trivial cases, so I can't help any further than that. |
| 21:15.16 | levi | But it sure makes what you were trying to do more convenient. |
| 21:15.17 | eightyeight | that's all i needed. everything worked like a charm |
| 21:18.22 | levi | Cool. :) |
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| 21:43.18 | sjansen | eightyeight: What you wanted was probably 'git reset --hard' |
| 21:44.00 | sjansen | But 'git stash' is definitely worth learning. Really awesome feature. |
| 21:44.34 | sjansen | From personal experience, I recommend that you be careful with git stash. |
| 21:44.48 | sjansen | Only keep stuff stashed for a few minutes, otherwise branch. |
| 21:45.33 | sjansen | 'Cause if you don't use the stash quickly, three months later you're going to list your stash and wonder what the heck all the cruft was for. |
| 21:46.53 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 21:47.35 | eightyeight | "git reset --hard" is probably what i wanted, actually, as i ended up 1 commit ahead of origin, without push perms |
| 21:47.44 | eightyeight | (i made things worse) |
| 21:47.57 | eightyeight | thankfully, the origin is what i want, so re-cloning. ã |
| 21:48.21 | sjansen | git reset can still save you |
| 21:48.56 | sjansen | 'git reset --hard origin/master' should do it |
| 21:49.08 | eightyeight | i kept the old repo, so i'll give it a shot |
| 21:52.43 | eightyeight | yup. worked. w00t |
| 21:52.52 | eightyeight | feels like the biggest git n00b |
| 21:57.23 | lukfugl | become the DAG, and all will make sense :) |
| 22:03.14 | saturdayplace | I've got to start picking up git in the next couple days, so I'll be more n00by |
| 22:11.45 | lukfugl | http://eagain.net/articles/git-for-computer-scientists/ |
| 22:11.46 | brac | [Git for Computer Scientists] |
| 22:11.59 | lukfugl | where, if you know what a directed acyclic graph is, you're a computer scientist |
| 22:14.39 | supaplex | for rhel/centos/etc, what script reconfigures which initscripts start during runlevel starts? |
| 22:15.04 | supaplex | eightyeight: dun worry, we all don't get git :) |
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