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| 18:10.19 | *** topic/#utah is logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | turntable.fm/utah | Uncle PLUG needs YOU! | In Motorola, Google acquires 17K patents: http://goo.gl/GXz0v |
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| 18:35.58 | jalbretsen | What the Mozilla? No version number? Ugh. |
| 18:36.21 | JoshH | ya |
| 18:36.51 | JoshH | oh well, at least there are other decent browsers these days |
| 18:36.59 | jalbretsen | I swear the announcements for Firefox get more and more aggravating every day |
| 18:37.38 | jalbretsen | Next we'll hear that Oracle is buying Mozilla. |
| 18:38.28 | eightyeight | ? |
| 18:38.30 | JoshH | ya, it's sad |
| 18:38.35 | JoshH | it's like gnome |
| 18:38.46 | JoshH | turning to complete crap |
| 18:38.48 | eightyeight | jalbretsen: what do you mean "No version number?" |
| 18:39.08 | eightyeight | and, the firefox 6 announcement isn't due until tomorrow |
| 18:39.16 | jalbretsen | http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/08/15/177257/Mozilla-To-Remove-User-Facing-Firefox-Version-Numbers |
| 18:40.04 | eightyeight | i agree with the change |
| 18:40.12 | eightyeight | it's like chrome hiding 'http://' from the url |
| 18:40.38 | eightyeight | most people don't give a flying hoot about version numbers |
| 18:40.41 | lukfugl | sees nothing wrong with dropping the user-facing version number |
| 18:40.57 | JoshH | as long as it doesn't break extensions it shouldn't matter too much |
| 18:41.05 | lukfugl | I do have a slight beef with chrome hiding the http:// though :) |
| 18:42.05 | lukfugl | not for browser usability, but if I want to copy the url, I want to include the schema. turns out it does include it, but it's not obvious if you're not already familiar with its behavior |
| 18:42.10 | eightyeight | i still don't understand why updates are done through the "Help -> About" window in most programs, but i'll digress |
| 18:42.26 | JoshH | i don't understand why people think "usability" = dumbing things down |
| 18:43.01 | jalbretsen | version number matters when I have to manage some vmware servers |
| 18:43.22 | eightyeight | about:support |
| 18:43.31 | eightyeight | there's even an api to hook into |
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| 18:50.35 | goozbach | where my dubstep fans at? http://www.youtube.com/user/DubstepLyrics#p/u/4/Bc8uQCd5Qew |
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| 20:16.28 | jalbretsen | ugh. I'm I the only one that has experienced where people think that a "server room" is a desk with 10 rack servers stacked on top of each other with a mess of cables in the back? |
| 20:16.50 | jalbretsen | or one server in the rack has rails and the rest are stacked on top of it |
| 20:17.04 | d3c4f-work | lol |
| 20:17.38 | goozbach | jalbretsen: you only need a set of rails for ever 5 servers |
| 20:17.41 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:17.47 | jalbretsen | Dear Provider: We are decommissioning these 2 servers, please remove them. |
| 20:18.35 | jalbretsen | Provider: Ya, servers A and B are on top of them but we should be able to take out your servers and carefully drop them down |
| 20:18.42 | jalbretsen | Me: WTF? |
| 20:19.00 | Migs | drop them down? |
| 20:19.16 | Migs | bwah? |
| 20:19.27 | jalbretsen | well, since they are not on rails, gravity kind of dictates that they must come down and rest on whatever is left |
| 20:19.33 | goozbach | wait! it's even better! you're paying for co-location? and they're doing this? |
| 20:19.48 | jalbretsen | well, I'm not personally paying for it |
| 20:19.55 | goozbach | please tell us which company so we all know not to use it |
| 20:19.59 | jalbretsen | ROFL |
| 20:20.16 | eightyeight | heh |
| 20:20.54 | jalbretsen | I won't give the name away cause I like my job, but I will say they are in Texas |
| 20:20.54 | lukfugl | I've never heard of this ROFL hosting company... |
| 20:21.13 | lukfugl | ROFLSpace? |
| 20:21.19 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:21.27 | jalbretsen | :) |
| 20:21.59 | jalbretsen | Needless to say, I've instructed them that part of the downtime we need to do this will now also include putting servers without rails into rails |
| 20:22.43 | goozbach | and that they will not charge you for this remote hands event because that should have been done the first time? |
| 20:22.58 | jalbretsen | heh, if they try, yes |
| 20:23.23 | goozbach | when I was a sysadmin for a fortune 500 company's websites |
| 20:23.46 | goozbach | my boss had access and would walk into the cage, and randomly pull out a server every few week |
| 20:23.50 | goozbach | like physically remove |
| 20:24.13 | eightyeight | heh |
| 20:24.15 | goozbach | twas a great motivator to make things robust |
| 20:24.32 | Tene | Back when I worked for Iodynamics, I once went to pick up a server for hardware work for a company we were supporting. I showed up at the "colo" address they gave me, and it was a tiny storage unit. |
| 20:24.48 | Tene | The kind with a big garage-style door on the front. |
| 20:25.14 | Tene | The big door was wide open, so I just walked in, and didn't see anyone there, so I picked up the server I needed, and walked out. |
| 20:25.41 | goozbach | awesome! |
| 20:25.41 | Tene | I walked back in and hunted around for someone, who I finally found in a tiny back room, who just said "Okay, cool." when I told him that I had picked up a server. |
| 20:25.52 | Tene | It was pretty awesome. |
| 20:26.06 | goozbach | "Hey we opened the datacenter for you. Server is in the back" |
| 20:26.34 | eightyeight | well, seeing as though we're sharing stories, i was reorganizing a rack at my last job, and even though a dell server had power rundancy, one of the psus was bad, so carefully unplugging one power, then then other, brought the server down |
| 20:26.38 | eightyeight | yeah. it was production |
| 20:26.39 | jalbretsen | I worked for a now dead company in SLC, and when one of there servers died at a co-location, I ended up finding out we were paying server priced to run our software on a Dell Optiplex G270 |
| 20:27.16 | jalbretsen | *server prices |
| 20:27.26 | Tene | The only incident at my current job was when the security guard at the colo pressed the Emergency Power Off button. |
| 20:27.49 | jalbretsen | HA HA, the same thing happened at my last job. |
| 20:28.00 | Tene | The cover had fallen off or was bumped off or something, so the alarm was sounding, and lights were flashing, so he did the obvious thing and pushed the BIG RED BUTTON |
| 20:28.08 | jalbretsen | Two big read buttons next to each other.... one to open the door, and the other.... |
| 20:28.20 | eightyeight | nice |
| 20:28.36 | jalbretsen | cedwards knows all about that one |
| 20:28.57 | Tene | jalbretsen: was it at least covered? |
| 20:29.17 | jalbretsen | no, due to some construction or something going on. |
| 20:29.57 | cedwards | jalbretsen: huh? |
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