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| 15:46.56 | unum | anyone catch the debate? |
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| 16:10.45 | fadein | No, but I did the next best thing: listen to the out-of-context soundbites the next morning |
| 16:11.01 | fadein | It's just like the Cliff's notes of politics - all I need to know to get a passing grade on my ballot |
| 16:11.41 | jalbretsen | http://blastr.com/2011/08/trailer-for-star-wars-the.php Still not complete, it doesn't include the holiday special |
| 16:11.43 | brac | [Trailer for Star Wars: The Complete Saga teases unseen footage | Blastr] |
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| 16:13.13 | amjith_ | I'm trying to install tmux locally on my home folder (no root privileges). |
| 16:13.25 | amjith_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.36 | amjith_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.48 | fadein | amjith_: bad way - set LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 16:14.15 | fadein | amjith_: better way - recompile tmux to look there |
| 16:14.54 | amjith_ | How do I recompile tmux to look there? I don't have tmux installed. |
| 16:16.26 | fadein | amjith_: well, if you're using the version from your distro's pkg manager, then a recompile may not be for you |
| 16:16.40 | fadein | in that case, take a look at a program call chrpath |
| 16:16.59 | fadein | it can re-write the part of the binary that tells it where to look for libraries |
| 16:17.00 | amjith_ | fadein: I'm compiling it from source. |
| 16:17.19 | amjith_ | I'm just wondering what args to pass into configure to make it look for libevent under my home folder. |
| 16:17.28 | fadein | in that case, I believe it's the PREFIX option to ./configure |
| 16:17.49 | fadein | amjith_: but it depends upon how the tmux folks set up their configure script |
| 16:18.07 | fadein | amjith_: sometimes they let you specify where to look for packages, other times ... they don't |
| 16:21.27 | amjith_ | fadein: Thanks. I'll read through the help and see if there is a way. |
| 16:22.50 | goozbach | amjith_: it's usually an option such as ./configure --with-<FOO>=/some/dir/foo |
| 16:23.04 | goozbach | ./configure --help will let you know if it's an option usually |
| 16:24.50 | amjith_ | +goozbach: It doesn't look like a standard gnu configure script. |
| 16:25.00 | amjith_ | reading through the --help options. |
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| 16:47.24 | eightyeight | echo '- - -' > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan |
| 16:47.49 | eightyeight | that command will force the kernel to rescan the scsi bus, and add the necessary devices to /dev if they're not there |
| 16:48.50 | eightyeight | my question is, which i can't seem to find an answer to, is why '- - -' and what are the contents of the file normally? it doesn't have read perm, only write as root |
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| 16:58.22 | amjith_ | fadein: +goozbach: I got it to install finally. Thanks for the pointers. It took some digging into config.log to understand the problem. |
| 16:58.46 | amjith_ | I needed ./configure --prefix=/home/amjidanu/software/ LDFLAGS=-L/home/amjidanu/software/lib/ CPPFLAGS=-I/home/amjidanu/software/include |
| 16:58.47 | fadein | amjith_: so it's now looking for your personal copy of that library? |
| 16:59.29 | amjith_ | fadein: Yes. I had to pass in the compiler args as part of the configure script. |
| 16:59.37 | fadein | amjith_: right on |
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| 17:21.41 | eightyeight | doesn't feel the love |
| 17:23.12 | goozbach | eightyeight: I don't know |
| 17:24.34 | eightyeight | you can do the same to fibre channel drives by "echo '1' > /sys/class/fc_host/issue_lip" |
| 17:24.49 | eightyeight | again, only writeable, and not readable, and i fear running chmod to find out |
| 17:25.24 | goozbach | the /sys filesystem is a black box to me |
| 17:25.29 | eightyeight | gets gutsy |
| 17:25.42 | eightyeight | cat: /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan: Input/output error |
| 17:25.45 | eightyeight | :( |
| 17:25.52 | goozbach | I figured that would happen |
| 17:26.27 | eightyeight | /sys is also a black box to me, thus my querying the channel hoping someone has the foo |
| 17:26.30 | eightyeight | s/foo/fu/ |
| 17:26.32 | goozbach | maybe X Y Z are scsi bus ids |
| 17:26.57 | goozbach | and you could narrow your scan using 0 - - |
| 17:27.00 | goozbach | or 1 - - |
| 17:27.02 | goozbach | or whatnot |
| 17:27.17 | eightyeight | it's odd, because we have these drive sleds. when inserting new drives, the kernel doesn't populate /dev/sd* as it should |
| 17:27.27 | eightyeight | so, we have to run that echo command to tell the kernel to rescan the bus |
| 17:27.39 | eightyeight | works, but as you said, black box |
| 17:27.45 | eightyeight | wtf is going on? i dunno |
| 17:28.19 | goozbach | sourcecode in kernel? |
| 17:28.24 | goozbach | if you want to dig that deep |
| 17:29.35 | eightyeight | i'm in /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.32/Documentation/, but not finding what i'm looking for |
| 17:29.45 | eightyeight | anyway, curious if anyone knew |
| 17:42.10 | fungus | eightyeight, you can accomplish that same task, by using the /proc/scsi/scsi interface |
| 17:43.20 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.32 | fungus | or use the rescan-scsi-bus.sh script that comes in the scsitools package (Debian/Ubuntu) |
| 17:44.48 | eightyeight | these are very lean arch linux systems |
| 17:45.01 | eightyeight | it might be in the repos, but i doubt it's installed if available |
| 17:45.25 | eightyeight | really, i would just like to know what is happening, rather than just "this is what we do. don't ask questions" |
| 17:52.47 | eightyeight | fungus: i'm not seeing in that link you pasted where i can use procfs to rescan the scsi bus, and create devices as necessary |
| 17:53.25 | eightyeight | i'm doubting it's "echo 'scsi log <token> <n>' > /proc/scsi/scsi" |
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| 18:27.11 | jessie | unum: What debate? |
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| 19:20.35 | sjansen | is feeling conflicted |
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| 19:20.49 | sjansen | On the one hand, I just had smoked brisket for lunch. |
| 19:21.08 | jsmith | sjansen: And the flip side of the argument? |
| 19:21.18 | sjansen | On the other hand, they claimed to have great BBQ and home made sauces. |
| 19:21.45 | jsmith | It wasn't great? |
| 19:21.51 | sjansen | If I took any of my southern friends there, they'd laugh at me. |
| 19:21.52 | jsmith | (Well, it probably *was* in Utah) |
| 19:21.57 | jsmith | ducks |
| 19:22.20 | sjansen | The "homemade" sauce was obviously Frank's Buffalo with some blue cheese mixed it. |
| 19:22.27 | jsmith | There are *so* many good types of bbq in the world -- and none of them come from Utah |
| 19:22.35 | jsmith | There, I said it. |
| 19:22.41 | jsmith | Yup, that's right. |
| 19:23.19 | jsmith | I don't care if you're a "sticky KC ribs" kind of person, or a "Memphis dry rub" kind of person, or a "Texas beef brisket and hot links" person |
| 19:23.32 | jsmith | or a "sticky sweet South Carolina" person |
| 19:23.34 | sjansen | I'm not a big fan of Frank's Red Hot Buffalo sauce, and I wouldn't call what they sell BBQ, but at the end of the day it was smoked meat. |
| 19:23.57 | jsmith | or a "vinegar North Carolina" person or a "vinegar and tomato Virginia" person |
| 19:24.10 | jsmith | I've never had really good BBQ in Utah |
| 19:24.45 | jsmith | Smoked meat is good, don't get me wrong... smoked meat from a good BBQ joint is still better :-) |
| 19:25.12 | sjansen | We were put on notice early when my boss asked "What type of BBQ is it? Texas? South Carolina? etc." and the waitress replied "yes". |
| 19:25.43 | jsmith | Yikes! |
| 19:26.06 | jsmith | She's only been outside the county twice, and those were to go to St. George for spring break?!? |
| 19:26.08 | jsmith | trolls |
| 19:26.34 | fozzmoo | I have to admit I don't know my BBQs. |
| 19:26.40 | fozzmoo | I know Virgils in NYC was good. |
| 19:26.47 | fozzmoo | Couldn't tell you what "kind" it was. |
| 19:27.40 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Describe it. Beef or pork? Tomato base? Vinegar base? Honey base? |
| 19:27.53 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Ribs? Brisket? Pull Pork? |
| 19:27.57 | fozzmoo | Beef brisket... |
| 19:28.08 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Sauce? No sauce? Dry rub? |
| 19:28.08 | goozbach | relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubTQfr_tyY |
| 19:28.09 | fozzmoo | That's what I got, anyway. |
| 19:28.24 | fozzmoo | I don't remember the sauce. Sorry. Been about 10 years. :) |
| 19:28.47 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Beef brisket is usually Texas-style... |
| 19:29.25 | fozzmoo | Speaking of Texas-style... |
| 19:29.31 | fozzmoo | What's up with this Rick Perry dude? |
| 19:29.45 | fozzmoo | When he talks, if you close your eyes, you hear GWB. |
| 19:29.52 | lukfugl | settles in to spectate |
| 19:31.48 | jsmith | goozbach: Pretty good review, especially the part about Florida |
| 19:33.09 | sjansen | jsmith: Awesome song. |
| 19:33.22 | manithree | fozzmoo: I like Gov. Perry's stance on the 2nd Amendment http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/27/AR2010042705323.html |
| 19:33.23 | brac | [Texas Gov. Perry fatally shoots coyote] |
| 19:33.46 | sjansen | I'd never heard of a mayo-based BBQ sauce. They're right, Alabama is weird. |
| 19:33.55 | jsmith | sjansen: Amen, brother! |
| 19:34.12 | fozzmoo | Whoa. Hollow point bullets for snakes?! |
| 19:35.34 | sjansen | Who doesn't enjoy scraping snake pudding out of the dirt? |
| 19:36.00 | manithree | I'm guessing he carries the HP for 2-legged predators. I do. |
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| 19:37.58 | fozzmoo | manithree++ |
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| 19:59.00 | unum | I've never seen a 2-legged predator in real like that I'm that afraid of |
| 20:10.29 | manithree | unum: don't get out much? |
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| 20:17.07 | sjansen | Nah, unum's just cuddly enough that most people want to hug him not hurt him. And for all the other times, training for the third grade hide and seek championship taught him all he wants to know. |
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| 20:46.37 | lukfugl | hey nerds: http://mebipenny.com/ |
| 20:47.00 | lukfugl | what, no page title, ibot? |
| 20:51.26 | unum | manithree: not to places where people scare me |
| 20:59.08 | eightyeight | lukfugl: awesom |
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| 23:08.04 | saturdayplace | I'd like to convice management to user Rails or Django rather than Java for an upcoming project. |
| 23:08.12 | saturdayplace | Anyone have good data I can show them? |
| 23:10.29 | saturdayplace | They're worried about scaling. |
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| 23:16.14 | sjansen | sjansen doing Java development :-( |
| 23:16.26 | sjansen | sjansen doing Django development :-) |
| 23:16.46 | sjansen | saturdayplace: Does that meet your needs? |
| 23:17.23 | saturdayplace | Might be. At the moment, they're actually looking for rails devs, but they're seriously considering moving the project to jaba. |
| 23:17.31 | saturdayplace | *java |
| 23:17.45 | saturdayplace | And I'm hoping to at least get Django entered into discussions |
| 23:18.05 | Tene | saturdayplace: they should be worried about scaling if they go with rails. |
| 23:18.29 | Tene | Rails has huge scaling problems. |
| 23:19.02 | saturdayplace | My first point to make to them, is that they're probably not even going to *have* scaling problems. |
| 23:21.15 | sjansen | saturdayplace: Can you describe the app? |
| 23:22.01 | sjansen | Django's admin interface is a serious advantage for proof of concept work. May even be sufficient to go live. |
| 23:22.05 | saturdayplace | Basic CRUD |
| 23:22.29 | sjansen | Do you care about row level security? |
| 23:23.29 | sjansen | 'Cause if all you need is table level security, Django's admin is a giant win. |
| 23:23.44 | sjansen | It handles all the CRU so you can focus on the D. |
| 23:24.26 | Tene | uh... you're apparently using a different acronym expansion than I'm used to. |
| 23:24.34 | Tene | Create Retreive Update Delete |
| 23:25.05 | sjansen | Yeah. Long day, devoting 10% CPU to #utah. |
| 23:26.00 | sjansen | Django admin focus on CRUD so you can focus on display. |
| 23:26.16 | sjansen | Oh, n/m. |
| 23:28.03 | saturdayplace | Probably will need row-level security |
| 23:30.45 | saturdayplace | sjansen: you looking for a job? |
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