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| 00:09.02 | Sargun_Screen | levi: Ah, There was a Levi here who has lived in Utah |
| 00:09.48 | shalkie | I use to know a Levi back in scouts. |
| 00:15.47 | eightyeight | i have never owned a pair of Levi's |
| 00:26.50 | shalkie | I always have more then a pair. |
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| 02:26.35 | eightyeight | s/then/than/ |
| 02:26.43 | eightyeight | i have plenty of jeans, just no levi's |
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| 02:53.26 | mheath | <Migs> I bet mheath is gloating over GNU Hurd now |
| 02:53.27 | mheath | <findlay> mheath and rms having a beer together |
| 02:53.27 | mheath | <sjansen> I though mheath had moved on with his life. |
| 02:53.38 | mheath | I never really advocated HURD, I found it a curiosity |
| 02:53.43 | mheath | I have always hated RMS |
| 02:53.51 | mheath | Though I love beer, especially the free kind |
| 02:54.25 | mheath | And those articles on HURD confuse me. I just read the Slashdot summary, but they've had releases of Debian GNU Hurd (albeit officially unstable ones) for years. It's what I ran when I tried HURD, like 5 years ago. |
| 02:54.46 | mheath | That is all. |
| 02:59.13 | eightyeight | ah, but the big news is getting it out of unstable, and into testing, then eventually stable |
| 02:59.26 | eightyeight | even if it's 20 years behind the competition |
| 03:00.13 | eightyeight | because most of the hurd devs are debian devs, it seems possible to pull off |
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| 03:20.52 | levi | mheath: You have a funny way of 'not really advocating' things then. You definitely seemed to be really into it at the time. |
| 03:21.21 | levi | It does have some cool ideas in it, though. |
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| 04:07.31 | levi | I hate it when code reviews are depressing. |
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| 04:09.51 | levi | Also, dealing with JSON is C is ugly. |
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| 16:50.20 | levi | Heh, the Mono guys laid off from Novell/Attachmate formed a new company and are now partnered with the Attachmate/SUSE group to do Mono work. Sounds just like Novell standard practice. |
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| 19:19.22 | findlay | levi: novell got bought by some random company |
| 19:19.36 | findlay | things have never seemed to go well for novell |
| 19:20.09 | findlay | try JSON in FORTRAN over MODBUS |
| 19:27.03 | shalkie | Well not since the 90's. ;-) |
| 19:34.10 | levi | findlay: If by 'some random company' you mean Attachmate, then yes, you are right, and you will see by what I said that I was aware of the fact. :) |
| 19:34.54 | levi | I just meant that Novell had a habit of laying bunches of people off and then hiring back many of them either directly or as newly-formed companies which they contracted with to do what they were doing before. |
| 19:36.48 | levi | I'm sure it makes sense to someone there. |
| 19:37.06 | jalbretsen1 | I got a good laugh a week after the latest batch of layoffs of 800 people when I got an email from a recruiter from Novell looking for Linux Engineers. |
| 19:37.25 | jalbretsen1 | he of coursed asked if I was looking or if I knew of someone looking that would qualify. |
| 19:37.46 | jalbretsen1 | and I said, yes I do, Novell laid him off last week |
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| 19:37.57 | fugue88 | levi: Yep, I got it. |
| 19:38.35 | fugue88 | findlay: You should develop a "FORTRAN OBJECT NOTATION" (FON) serialization form. And yes, it's FORTRAN, so it has to be all caps. |
| 19:38.39 | fugue88 | :) |
| 19:39.16 | fugue88 | jalbretsen1: *facepalm* |
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| 19:41.22 | levi | jalbretsen1: They'll probably hire him back somewhere else in the organization if he applies, too. |
| 19:42.20 | jalbretsen1 | at less pay then he was making before, I'm sure. |
| 19:42.21 | fugue88 | Idea for Novell: Put everyone you lay off right into your hiring pool. The amount of money you'll save on recruiters might make you profitable. :P |
| 19:42.34 | levi | jalbretsen1: Not necessarily. |
| 19:43.06 | levi | Sometimes that sort of move is the ticket to a market-competitive salary, if you've been there for a while and salaries have gone up since. |
| 19:43.28 | jalbretsen1 | maybe, I guess if you have a history of routinely laying people off, one tends to expect the worst |
| 19:43.51 | levi | Well, they have a history of routinely laying people off and then hiring them immediately back. |
| 19:45.15 | jalbretsen1 | upon rehire, do they get their benefits back or do they need to wait 30 - 90 days? |
| 19:46.01 | levi | It's a big company, they tend to have a bunch of separate little fiefdoms that operate semi-independantly. One entire group may get axed while another one has approval for hiring, and they don't seem to communicate for cross-group transfers. |
| 19:51.21 | levi | I don't really know about the benefit situation. |
| 19:53.11 | findlay | one of the things about novell is that they have a pretty comprehensive line of promotional items |
| 19:53.27 | eightyeight | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3qv2dSXQXk |
| 19:53.33 | eightyeight | that's thinking out of the box |
| 19:57.19 | findlay | I prefer to think outside of simplicial complexes |
| 19:58.30 | unum | how do I tell linux to check the hosts file before dns? |
| 19:58.52 | Jayce^ | umm, doesn't it? |
| 19:59.04 | jsmith | unum: It should be default, but you can change it in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 19:59.14 | unum | jsmith: thanks I new I had seen it somewhere |
| 19:59.15 | jsmith | s/be default/by default/ |
| 19:59.35 | unum | uh it is set |
| 19:59.40 | unum | so why isn't it working..... |
| 20:00.16 | jsmith | What tool are you using to do the lookup? |
| 20:00.20 | jsmith | ping? |
| 20:00.21 | jsmith | dig? |
| 20:00.23 | jsmith | host? |
| 20:00.27 | unum | host |
| 20:00.46 | jsmith | host is going to bypass that and do an actual hostname lookup, as I recall |
| 20:03.45 | unum | aaah |
| 20:03.46 | unum | thanks |
| 20:03.51 | unum | ping works just fine |
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| 20:08.53 | levi | Grr, stupid proxy keeps RSTing my ssh link. |
| 20:09.25 | eightyeight | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XSB70J6a98 |
| 20:10.23 | sjansen | unum: As I like to tell my students... |
| 20:10.50 | sjansen | Both host, dig, and nslookup all contain their own resolver implementation, by passing libc. |
| 20:11.25 | sjansen | If you want to test DNS behavior for standard programs that do use the libc resolver than ping is the easiest way to test DNS. |
| 20:11.32 | fadein | sjansen: what's the difference between those tools? when would I use one over the other? |
| 20:11.41 | sjansen | But if you want to show off at parties, there's an even better option: getent. |
| 20:11.54 | sjansen | getent host www.google.com |
| 20:11.58 | fadein | sjansen: to me, dig, host, and nslookup seem to do the same thing |
| 20:12.17 | sjansen | Some people know about getent as a method to get account information. |
| 20:12.24 | sjansen | getent passwd sjansen |
| 20:12.44 | sjansen | getent group wheel |
| 20:13.42 | sjansen | fadein: dig is more pedantic than the other two, and more verbose. |
| 20:13.59 | sjansen | host is more friendly and succinct |
| 20:14.54 | fadein | sjansen: thx for the explain |
| 20:14.57 | sjansen | nslookup is available on Windows, so many people know about it, but the bind-utils developers have threatened to eliminate it so I recommend learning to use host and dig instead |
| 20:18.34 | sjansen | Completing my commentary on getent, sadly in RHEL6 getent can't be relied on to get a list of all users. |
| 20:18.55 | sjansen | getent passwd # used to list all users, local and network |
| 20:19.13 | sjansen | Because of SSSD, there is no longer a reliable method to get a list of all users. |
| 20:21.46 | fugue88 | looks up sssd |
| 20:23.04 | fugue88 | Cool. |
| 20:23.09 | fadein | fugue88: share? |
| 20:23.23 | shalkie | don't do it fugue88, its a trap! |
| 20:23.31 | fugue88 | Sounds like it supports remote auth, similar to NIS (formerly YP), but can cache locally for disconnected operation. |
| 20:23.44 | fugue88 | I always wanted that. |
| 20:23.51 | fugue88 | https://fedorahosted.org/sssd/ |
| 20:24.03 | fadein | fugue88: thx for the link |
| 20:24.20 | fugue88 | :) |
| 20:24.33 | fadein | yeah, that sounds like it'll scratch the itch... |
| 20:25.16 | sjansen | You'll not that SSSD has not be adopted by other distros yet. |
| 20:25.26 | fugue88 | That site doesn't go into much detail. |
| 20:25.33 | sjansen | Based on first hand experience, my opinion is that's because it's not fully baked. |
| 20:26.48 | fadein | going in a different direction, does anybody have any experence with PAR- Perl Archive Toolkit? |
| 20:26.51 | fadein | http://search.cpan.org/~smueller/PAR-1.002/lib/PAR.pm |
| 20:26.55 | brac | [PAR - search.cpan.org] |
| 20:27.01 | fadein | It's supposed to be like JAR files, but for Perl |
| 20:33.43 | findlay | I prefer burned |
| 21:05.03 | elg | ~reset levi |
| 21:05.08 | elg | ~rst levi |
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| 21:29.48 | sjansen | ~nak elg |
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| 21:37.42 | sjansen | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/07/19/2041224/Tae-Bo-Workout-Sent-Skyscraper-Shaking |
| 21:40.07 | jsmith | sjansen: Lovely! |
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