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| 16:47.19 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 16:48.14 | sjansen | Things that suck so far today: GNOME, X11, CUPS, OOo, Linux |
| 16:49.12 | jsmith | Wow... that bad, eh? |
| 16:49.49 | JoshH | my guess is gnome and cups are the main factors |
| 16:49.59 | JoshH | maybe ooo too |
| 16:51.09 | sjansen | I take back the part about CUPS. It was right and I was wrong. |
| 16:52.08 | sjansen | But the display problems were definitely OOo's fault. |
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| 17:24.42 | jalbretsen | sjansen: Just as long as you don't think Torchwood sucks today |
| 17:27.47 | shalkie | jalbretsen: Is that Torchwood UK or Torchwood US? |
| 17:29.03 | sjansen | is ashamed for shalkie that he even has to ask |
| 17:29.53 | sjansen | Haven't watched it yet. No spoilers. |
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| 17:45.51 | lukfugl | there's a torchwood us? |
| 17:46.25 | lukfugl | (just heard about torchwood uk for the first time when this season started, that's how lame I am) |
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| 18:51.11 | sjansen | (or that's how lame torchwood uk has been) |
| 18:58.42 | findlay | why watch TV when you can read Landau and Lifschitz? |
| 18:59.08 | goozbach | or work on the gooseproject ;) |
| 18:59.16 | sjansen | Because without TV we'd be forced to read Landau and Lifschitz. |
| 18:59.50 | shalkie | lukfugl: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fox-developing-us-version-torchwood-19651 |
| 19:00.07 | sjansen | Because an overexposure to TV has left us with an irrational fear of water fowl. |
| 19:00.27 | shalkie | um, I think your alone on that one sjansen |
| 19:01.03 | resplin | I can vouche for that fear of waterfowl. Really crippling. |
| 19:01.04 | findlay | if I watched TV, I'd be more afraid of firefowl than waterfowl |
| 19:01.20 | resplin | Can't go anywhere outside anymore. |
| 19:01.27 | resplin | TMI? |
| 19:01.37 | goozbach | resplin: you shouldn't join #gooseproject then |
| 19:01.42 | goozbach | twill cause you pain |
| 19:03.08 | shalkie | twill? |
| 19:03.20 | shalkie | does dig +short TXT twill.wp.dg.cx |
| 19:04.57 | goozbach | 't'will |
| 19:04.58 | goozbach | it will |
| 19:05.02 | shalkie | Oh. |
| 19:05.12 | shalkie | I was curious how fabric related to pain. ;-) |
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| 19:21.23 | sjansen | Clearly you've never been attacked by a vicious pair of corduroys. |
| 19:22.09 | goozbach | reminds me of a "your mamma" joke |
| 19:27.41 | jsmith | goozbach: Pray tell... |
| 19:27.47 | jsmith | knows he's going to regret this |
| 19:28.57 | goozbach | your mamma is soooo fat... |
| 19:29.11 | goozbach | that when she wears coduroys, she sparks brush fires as she walks past |
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| 19:57.19 | sjansen | ~lart OOo |
| 19:57.19 | ibot | decapitates OOo conan the destroyer style |
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| 20:21.39 | fadein | just unmerged all mono/.NET from his system |
| 20:22.03 | lukfugl | unmerge? gentoo still exists? |
| 20:22.10 | lukfugl | ducks |
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| 20:23.31 | sjansen | fadein: whyso? |
| 20:33.25 | fadein | cleaning up cruft that I never use |
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| 20:55.21 | findlay | I like gentoo |
| 21:05.16 | fugue88 | ~gentoo++ |
| 21:06.48 | levi | You guys just like it because it starts with the letter right after the first letter of your nicks. |
| 21:07.10 | sjansen | levi: Does that make you a Mandriva user? |
| 21:08.00 | levi | I didn't say everyone had to like Linux distributions for that reason. It just seemed the most logical reason that they might prefer it. ;) |
| 21:08.04 | fugue88 | levi: Uh, yeah, okay, got me pegged. |
| 21:08.07 | fugue88 | :) |
| 21:08.37 | sjansen | Doesn't their choice of distro invalidate the assumption that logic is involved? |
| 21:08.48 | sjansen | (Bazinga!) |
| 21:08.59 | fugue88 | Where's the love? |
| 21:09.25 | sjansen | Fedora. Just ask jsmith. |
| 21:09.27 | levi | Clearly not on their part. The logic was in my analysis of the situation to determine why they might have that preference. :) |
| 21:10.03 | eightyeight | i just figured it was chosen by the mentally unstable |
| 21:10.31 | levi | It's all about the Debian and RedHat distro families. |
| 21:10.50 | fugue88 | Whyzzat? |
| 21:10.53 | sjansen | Red space Hat |
| 21:11.03 | fugue88 | Red Hat |
| 21:11.13 | levi | RedHat |
| 21:11.14 | lukfugl | sjansen is just tired of being pigeonholed into TasOS |
| 21:11.14 | fadein | I like gentoo because it does my bidding |
| 21:11.17 | levi | RedHat! |
| 21:11.32 | fugue88 | has to look up tasos |
| 21:11.36 | eightyeight | SuSe |
| 21:11.40 | eightyeight | Micro$oft |
| 21:11.45 | eightyeight | gnu/linux! |
| 21:11.59 | levi | Slackware FTW! ;P |
| 21:12.03 | lukfugl | fugue88: I did too. it was the first distro starting with T I could find |
| 21:12.09 | fugue88 | :D |
| 21:12.17 | eightyeight | so, with the hurd releasing to debian, possibly, does this mean the name would be 'debian gnu/gnu hurd'? |
| 21:12.19 | sjansen | sticks his fingers in his ears and kicks eightyeight in the shins |
| 21:12.35 | eightyeight | it has more gnu than gnu |
| 21:12.41 | fugue88 | More gnu than you. |
| 21:12.58 | fugue88 | waits for BSD/Linux. |
| 21:13.07 | sjansen | declares fugue88 the loser |
| 21:13.18 | levi | The One OS, to bring them all to the GPLv3 and bind them. |
| 21:13.19 | sjansen | I'm more righteous than GNU. |
| 21:13.19 | fugue88 | takes his consolation prize |
| 21:13.29 | eightyeight | gnu wish! |
| 21:15.16 | sjansen | GNU know it! |
| 21:15.19 | eightyeight | what do you call a person who hacks while wearing no clothes? |
| 21:15.38 | fugue88 | Nakie? |
| 21:15.40 | goozbach | gnude |
| 21:15.42 | eightyeight | gnudist |
| 21:15.43 | fugue88 | hah! |
| 21:15.52 | eightyeight | what is a hacker's favorite candy? |
| 21:16.00 | fugue88 | Okay, this should stop now. |
| 21:16.03 | fugue88 | :) |
| 21:16.07 | fugue88 | s/:/;/ |
| 21:16.18 | eightyeight | gnugat (though it contains little gnutrition) |
| 21:16.19 | goozbach | gnutella? |
| 21:16.54 | eightyeight | what do you call someone in irc telling lame gnu jokes? |
| 21:17.02 | fugue88 | eightyeight |
| 21:17.02 | fadein | wow, looks like lulzsec is back in the game |
| 21:17.23 | fadein | and out to get Rupert Murdoch |
| 21:17.25 | eightyeight | fugue88: no, gnuiance |
| 21:17.36 | eightyeight | s/gnuiance/gnuiscance/ |
| 21:17.57 | goozbach | gno more |
| 21:18.03 | eightyeight | heh |
| 21:18.25 | eightyeight | (although i heard that there was an os by the same name- gnewsense) |
| 21:18.35 | sjansen | Gdon't gstop! |
| 21:18.41 | eightyeight | ok |
| 21:18.52 | eightyeight | what do you use a supercomputer for? |
| 21:19.13 | sjansen | Minecraft? |
| 21:19.23 | fugue88 | There we go. |
| 21:19.35 | eightyeight | gnumerical analysis |
| 21:20.12 | goozbach | I literally facepalmed at that one |
| 21:21.01 | eightyeight | the jokes are too gnumerous to go on |
| 21:21.49 | jalbretsen | Geronimo! |
| 21:23.35 | sjansen | Electric zydeco! |
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| 21:50.28 | findlay | gnu/hurd |
| 21:51.51 | Migs | I bet mheath is gloating over GNU Hurd now |
| 21:52.11 | findlay | mheath and rms having a beer together |
| 21:52.22 | sjansen | I though mheath had moved on with his life. |
| 21:52.36 | findlay | I could never move on with my life |
| 21:52.41 | findlay | so I went into graduate school |
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| 21:53.50 | Migs | same here |
| 21:53.57 | Migs | I'd be a perpetual student if I could |
| 21:54.10 | Migs | my wife would smack the crap out of me though |
| 21:55.36 | findlay | If I could move on with my life, I would move into a subterranian, steampunk-themed laboratory powered by cold fusion |
| 21:56.45 | levi | mheath is here occasionally, and I have not heard him advocate HURD lately, so I assume he has moved on from it. |
| 21:57.33 | levi | Speaking of operating systems, this describes one of the most kick-ass operating systems ever, Synthesis: http://lwn.net/Articles/270081/ |
| 21:59.09 | Migs | tl;dnr |
| 21:59.26 | levi | Says the guy who would be a 'perpetual student' if he could? |
| 21:59.48 | findlay | levi: that's nonsense. Don't you konw that computer science is all about installing (then reinstalling) visual studio and writing poorly designed GUI progs with it? |
| 21:59.55 | Migs | I find computer science boring |
| 22:00.09 | findlay | and then you play minesweeper |
| 22:00.20 | Migs | at least you can use it to track IP addresses |
| 22:00.58 | findlay | levi: that looks really awesome |
| 22:01.16 | findlay | levi: I wish I could get a second PhD in math to study such things as that |
| 22:01.41 | findlay | I guess I find both theoretical and applied logic to be interesting |
| 22:01.56 | eightyeight | heh |
| 22:02.29 | findlay | especially as applied logic is probably the most pure applied field you could think of, when your subject of application is nothing more than a turing machine |
| 22:02.35 | findlay | effective turing machine |
| 22:02.40 | findlay | mostly |
| 22:02.41 | sjansen | I used to think I wanted a PhD. Now I just look at pictures of kittehs. |
| 22:02.58 | findlay | LOLsjansenzLOL |
| 22:03.09 | levi | Migs: What do you find worthy of studying, then? |
| 22:03.38 | findlay | compiles libmodbus once again |
| 22:05.25 | eightyeight | http://blog.wolfram.com/2011/06/30/all-rational-approximations-of-pi-are-useless/ |
| 22:05.50 | levi | findlay: There are all sorts of interesting math problems in CS that you could do research in as a mathematician. |
| 22:07.43 | findlay | levi: do any of them involve a subterranian steampunk laboratory? |
| 22:08.02 | Migs | frankly, I don't know anymore |
| 22:08.20 | Migs | CS is boring, but I still like technology, so I went into the educational technology field |
| 22:08.57 | levi | What about CS do you find boring? It's a pretty broad field. |
| 22:09.12 | levi | findlay: I suppose, if you wanted them to. |
| 22:09.26 | Migs | I think you underestimate how broadly I can be bored at things |
| 22:09.52 | levi | Not really, I'm just curious if you could articulate why you found it boring. |
| 22:09.54 | eightyeight | levi: it's broad enough that it's hard to earn it as a degree. either it's highly targeted for a very specific field, or it's theory only, not gaining you much in the "real world" |
| 22:10.32 | eightyeight | CS is one of those fields that you have to develop as a youth, before becoming formally educated, and gathering the necessary experience to succeed |
| 22:10.44 | findlay | Migs: most people that end up in educational technology don't know solitare from outlook and squander all their money on unscrupulous vertically-integrated vendors that belabor school computer systems with buggy code |
| 22:10.46 | Migs | It's largely all the stuff I will probably never use |
| 22:10.51 | levi | We're talking a Ph.D. here. They're all highly targeted for a very specific field, and they're rarely about "real world". |
| 22:10.53 | eightyeight | because i don't think degrees alone will get you far, except maybe end up in a call center |
| 22:11.03 | eightyeight | levi: ah, okay |
| 22:11.05 | eightyeight | fair enough |
| 22:11.16 | Migs | I'm a developer. I only care to know the basics about how hardware operates, networking, etc. |
| 22:11.38 | Migs | I have a CS degree, but I transitioned into more of an IT guy. |
| 22:12.05 | findlay | Migs: I'm sure you know many of the people I'm talking about |
| 22:12.06 | Migs | findlay: And that's nonsense. Someone like that who ends up in ed tech doesn't last there very long, if that's all they know |
| 22:12.23 | Migs | sadly I do...but like I said, they eventually get obsoleted |
| 22:13.14 | Migs | We have fun with vendors around here |
| 22:13.46 | Migs | Invite them in, find all the bugs in their software, put them on the spot, then we just build our own stuff using their software as a model, except we do it better |
| 22:14.35 | Migs | that's what I'm doing right now with BrainHoney...I love parts of the user interface for course management. I'm going to build my own Moodle course format with that model. |
| 22:14.36 | findlay | for example, when I was in high school, my district wasted far too much money on 'technology labs' that were full of computers and other expensive toys that nobody knew how to operate or why operating them would get them anything useful out of life. It was very apparent that the district leadership fancied themselves enlightened by 'putting technology into the hands of the students,' who would then 'think critically' and then become computer and technology g |
| 22:14.37 | levi | eightyeight: If I were to go back to school to get a Ph.D., it would most likely be so that I could explore an idea I found really interesting and then go on to teaching/researching in academia and leave the silly 'real world' behind. :P |
| 22:14.46 | Migs | No sense in spending a small fortune on BrainHoney. |
| 22:14.51 | findlay | levi: you should still do that |
| 22:14.55 | eightyeight | levi: that's essentially what getting a ph.d. is all about |
| 22:15.01 | findlay | levi: UU still has a good program as far as I know |
| 22:15.32 | levi | Well, the logistics of doing it now have become more complex. |
| 22:16.02 | findlay | levi: replace your logistics engine with a very small forth program |
| 22:16.24 | Migs | I'm planning on getting an EdD, then using it to become an edu vendor on my own |
| 22:16.33 | levi | And I am doing work that's intellectually-stimulating enough that it keeps me from wanting to jump into academia too badly. |
| 22:16.59 | findlay | mobile infotainment :) |
| 22:17.57 | levi | Hey, there are a lot of interesting problems to solve that space. |
| 22:18.06 | findlay | levi: actually I'm often tempted to pigeon hole up some engineering job so that I can come home and relax every day after work instead of grading, lesson planning, homeworking, studying, writing, etc. |
| 22:18.38 | levi | And we're changing how Ethernet works, too. How cool is that? |
| 22:21.40 | findlay | you're reimplementing a component of an OSI stack? |
| 22:21.57 | findlay | you could be making your own stacks |
| 22:22.00 | findlay | :) |
| 22:22.07 | findlay | just look at x500 |
| 22:22.15 | findlay | what a pile of nonsense |
| 22:22.22 | findlay | s/pile/stack/ |
| 22:23.46 | findlay | Migs: I wish I could believe you, but I'm inclined to believe that your situation is exceptional |
| 22:23.53 | levi | Ethernet is not exactly 'a component of an OSI stack' any more than any other network technology is. |
| 22:24.03 | findlay | is coming from a family of secondary educators |
| 22:24.10 | findlay | levi: indeed |
| 22:24.17 | findlay | why do we even have stacks |
| 22:24.18 | findlay | ? |
| 22:24.49 | findlay | I think we should have bean-dip models |
| 22:24.54 | findlay | whatever that means |
| 22:25.42 | levi | A stack is just an implementation of a layered model. |
| 22:26.01 | levi | And a 7-layer bean dip is certainly layered. |
| 22:26.22 | levi | So I'm not sure what essential difference you're trying to highlight. |
| 22:28.49 | findlay | maybe you could unnecessarily complicate the idea by supplanting frames and packets with strings as the atomic elements |
| 22:37.27 | Sargun_Screen | levi: You don't work for a company in California do you? |
| 22:38.21 | levi | Sargun_Screen: Nope. Well, I don't work in California, and my company is not headquartered there, but we probably have some offices of some sort there somewhere. |
| 22:38.53 | findlay | Sargun_Screen: have you ever been to California? |
| 22:40.38 | sjansen | I escaped from LA just barely before CARMAGEDDON! |
| 22:45.38 | levi | Oh, yeah, the Northridge office. |
| 22:45.59 | findlay | is that the advent of a new ice cream flavor? |
| 22:46.43 | levi | Sargun_Screen: What company were you thinking of? |
| 22:48.35 | findlay | anyway, sometimes I envy you guys in the real world |
| 22:48.44 | findlay | what simple lives you lead |
| 22:49.56 | levi | Oh yeah, my life is so simple. :P |
| 22:50.07 | sjansen | findlay: Much scarier. The closing of ten miles of the 405. |
| 22:50.19 | findlay | I knew it |
| 22:50.34 | findlay | this run craze phenomenon has gone too far |
| 22:51.04 | findlay | closed by a glut of rabid runners |
| 22:51.55 | eightyeight | so, it appears that i'll be giving a presentation at the ohio linux fest |
| 22:52.20 | levi | What about? |
| 22:52.59 | eightyeight | general password theory, and breaking encrypted filesystems |
| 22:55.23 | eightyeight | levi: in fact, i'll probably finalize my presentation tonight. if you wouldn't mind critiquing a pdf, that would be great |
| 22:55.59 | levi | Sure, I assume there's some way you could share it with me on google+ or something. |
| 22:56.17 | eightyeight | yeah. i'll have a link for you. it'll be on my webserver |
| 22:56.26 | eightyeight | thx |
| 22:56.45 | eightyeight | catches the train |
| 23:33.28 | resplin | If I don't find something in the official repos for RHEL 5.6 / CentOS 5.6, where else should I look besides Fedora EPEL? |
| 23:34.04 | shalkie | resplin: You could try one of the other builds such as scientific linux or Oracle. |
| 23:34.16 | shalkie | Or dag Wiers repo. |
| 23:34.20 | fungus | http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories |
| 23:34.50 | resplin | #fungus: I was looking for a page like that! Thanks. |
| 23:35.05 | resplin | dag Wiers is still around? Cool. Thanks shalkie. |
| 23:35.07 | fungus | np, it's quite helpful and suggests some great ones. |
| 23:37.24 | shalkie | resplin: yw |
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