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| 14:37.21 | goozbach | awesome: http://soundcloud.com/mart815/thepartwherehekillsyou |
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| 14:49.26 | eightyeight | sjansen: i agree with your assessment about windows tablets. i've always believed they've taken the wrong approach to touch interfaces, by dragging legacy windows ui around |
| 14:50.13 | eightyeight | windows 8 appears to be a step in the right direction with that, however |
| 14:50.52 | eightyeight | but, i disagree that 10" is a sucky size for a laptop. the netbooks have been popular sells, because people want general computing in small packages |
| 14:51.19 | eightyeight | thus, why i see 10:1 netbooks:tablets on campus. tablets are consumption devices, not creating ones |
| 14:51.47 | eightyeight | but lugging around a 17" laptop from class to class is ridiculous |
| 14:52.47 | eightyeight | 3 lbs on your back or 8 lbs? hmmm. in addition to my books too? i'll have to think about it |
| 14:56.02 | eightyeight | if i had a netbook when it gl, i would have used that as my travel laptop instead of my thinkpad |
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| 15:12.48 | goozbach | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb72V_4N5ko&feature=related |
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| 15:13.34 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: Didn't know you were into dubstep |
| 15:14.11 | goozbach | into music |
| 15:16.53 | Sargun_Screen | Awesome stuff though |
| 15:20.11 | Sargun_Screen | Does anyone know of any good parallel NoSQL data stores? |
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| 15:44.37 | eightyeight | i've finally gotten annoyed enough by the lame group policy of locking your screen, and starting the screensaver every 15 minutes that i did something about |
| 15:44.49 | eightyeight | caffeine ftw |
| 15:44.58 | eightyeight | http://www.zhornsoftware.co.uk/caffeine/index.html#download |
| 15:45.02 | brac | [Caffeine] |
| 15:45.11 | eightyeight | simulates an f15 key press every 59 seconds |
| 15:50.17 | fungus | But what if you have F15 mapped to some useful function? |
| 15:51.36 | goozbach | why can't butter cookies be bigger? |
| 15:51.46 | goozbach | I want a butter cookie the size of the tin |
| 15:52.25 | fugue88 | Probably so they could say a "serving" is n cookies, with some large n. |
| 15:52.41 | fugue88 | Look, *8* cookies per serving!! |
| 15:53.06 | fungus | that sounds better than 0.2 cookies per serving |
| 15:55.31 | goozbach | 4 cookies is a serving |
| 15:55.37 | goozbach | there are 45 per tin |
| 15:55.50 | goozbach | I feel glutounous now |
| 15:55.59 | goozbach | as I just polished off 16 cookies |
| 15:56.05 | goozbach | I was double fisting them! |
| 15:56.54 | unum | anyone here at domo? |
| 15:57.46 | sjansen | eightyeight: I hate you and everyone else that decides not to finance better 17" laptops. |
| 15:58.24 | sjansen | May your back spasm. May your eyesight fail. May your fingers be forever curled by horrific cramping. |
| 15:58.55 | sjansen | Give me a high pixel count or give me death! |
| 15:58.56 | Sargun_Screen | I HATE ACCOUNTING. |
| 16:01.00 | sjansen | fungus: If you have F15 mapped to something useful, you're luckier than most of us poor souls stuck with keyboards that only go to F12. |
| 16:02.50 | fungus | http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB110LL/A |
| 16:02.50 | goozbach | I want an f15 key |
| 16:03.07 | goozbach | oh wait! I have one of those! |
| 16:03.14 | goozbach | I ahve an f15 key! |
| 16:04.05 | Jayce^ | goozbach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qa-B7Sg_i4 |
| 16:04.11 | sjansen | fungus: Apple hardware? Isn't that horribly overpriced compared to every other manufacturer? |
| 16:05.21 | goozbach | http://www.fox13now.com/extras/kstu/recipes/bratzeliCookies.htm |
| 16:05.21 | brac | [Bratzeli Cookies] |
| 16:05.21 | goozbach | wants some! |
| 16:05.21 | sjansen | Wait a minute! That Apple keyboard goes to F19! |
| 16:05.21 | fungus | heh, not when comparing apples to apples. |
| 16:05.21 | sjansen | Burn him! Burn the witch! |
| 16:05.34 | goozbach | sjansen: I didn't pay for it |
| 16:20.23 | eightyeight | apple keyboards are so weird. and i always thought sun keyboards were out to lunch |
| 16:22.01 | jsmith | eightyeight: Amen, brother! |
| 16:22.09 | shalkie | sjansen: I don't think 49.99 is bad for a keybaord like that. Not when I hear people pay out sums like $150. |
| 16:22.23 | shalkie | eightyeight: How much was your keyboard? Wasn't it expensive? |
| 16:23.44 | shalkie | The space cadet keyboard was really weird. |
| 16:32.50 | eightyeight | shalkie: my das keyboard? i bought v2 from Yorokobi for ~$60 used, and got a v3 off ebay for ~$90 used |
| 16:33.10 | eightyeight | but, those keyboards aren't your momma's keyboard |
| 16:33.29 | eightyeight | the cherry key switches making typing on that keyboard a dream, and every time i sit at a gel keyboard, i squirm |
| 16:39.55 | shalkie | I have one or two keyboards that use a mechanical switch. Those are nice. |
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| 16:52.20 | Jayce^ | jsmith: so you'll be able to ask all those Pune folks about their PLUG memberships? :) |
| 16:58.44 | jsmith | Jayce^: Exactly |
| 16:59.01 | jsmith | Jayce^: Because we don't have enough diversity of opinion on PLUG as it is :-P |
| 16:59.30 | jsmith | Jayce^: Theirs should be called PLUG.IN :-p |
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| 18:52.58 | goozbach | http://lwn.net/Articles/451635/ |
| 18:53.11 | goozbach | who's been following this kerfluffle? |
| 18:53.34 | goozbach | what is the take from the libre folks on the apache move by oracle, and this news by IBM? |
| 19:10.23 | fugue88 | Hmm, I'm guessing that the LibreOffice/ApacheOffice (ewww) split creates an opportunity for either, or both, to continue on. |
| 19:10.36 | fugue88 | I think IBM has an interest, however, in a non-GPL version, |
| 19:10.44 | fugue88 | from which to continue to derive their product. |
| 19:11.04 | fugue88 | So, throwing their code at the Apache project is a great way to ensure its continuation |
| 19:11.10 | goozbach | hence the apache licence thing |
| 19:11.15 | fugue88 | by integrating its community a little more. |
| 19:11.47 | fugue88 | If they get lucky, this might even give the Apache version enough momentum to regain most of the devs from the Libre one. |
| 19:11.52 | goozbach | I'm becoming less and less a GPL fanboy and more apache/bsd license |
| 19:11.56 | goozbach | buy |
| 19:12.03 | goozbach | s/buy/guy/ |
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| 19:13.18 | fugue88 | Yeah, I lean more towards AFL-3.0 from OSI, which seems to maintain the spirit of the MIT & BSD licenses, be much more specific, clear, and updated for contemporary concerns, |
| 19:13.28 | fugue88 | and yet be a lot easy to understand than Apache. |
| 19:13.48 | fugue88 | But I definitely lean away from GPL-style stuff nowadays. |
| 19:14.43 | fugue88 | hopes his 3rd-to-last comment didn't clip; he still hasn't setup irssi's line-wrapping plugin |
| 19:15.07 | goozbach | updated for contemporary concerns, |
| 19:15.14 | goozbach | is what I saw |
| 19:15.17 | fugue88 | Yep, that's right. |
| 19:15.26 | fugue88 | thx for verifying. |
| 19:16.07 | fugue88 | Okay, re-reading the Apache license, it's not so bad. But I *really* like the organization in the AFL. |
| 19:20.49 | resplin | Different licenses for different reasons. |
| 19:21.50 | resplin | The best analysis I saw is that Apache will likely continue on as "the reference implementation for ODF" forked and used by product such as Lotus Symphony. Where LibreOffice can easily carve out a niche of innovation for itself if they want to. |
| 19:22.19 | resplin | LibreOffice can keep pulling features and fixes from the Apache project. |
| 19:22.23 | resplin | Just like Symphony. |
| 19:23.04 | resplin | So when I have been asked which place our company should contribute fixes and improvements, my response has been: Apache to reach the widest audience, LibreOffice for that specific community, or to take advantage of a feature only they offer. |
| 19:24.09 | sjansen | No! NO! NO! NO! |
| 19:24.32 | sjansen | All features should be submitted to me under the MSR (Make sjansen Rich) license. |
| 19:25.34 | resplin | That license is only acceptible if you use the "kickback to resplin" clause on page 4. |
| 19:26.21 | sjansen | Fair enough. |
| 19:52.31 | levi | Ahh, license conflicts. So much fun! |
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| 21:11.57 | saturdayplace | Can anyone here offer advice on apache configuration? |
| 21:12.21 | saturdayplace | Specifically, configuring it two serve separate websites on separate ip addresses? |
| 21:12.34 | saturdayplace | *to serve two |
| 21:12.44 | levi | I can adivse you that apache can indeed be configured to do that. :) |
| 21:12.50 | levi | advise, rather. |
| 21:12.59 | macnewbold | saturdayplace: should be easy enough - that's a pretty common configuration - maybe look at virtualhosts directive |
| 21:13.12 | macnewbold | sorry, subject is virtualhosts, directive is virtualhost |
| 21:13.28 | saturdayplace | That's what I'm doing, but blasted if I can get the thing to work. |
| 21:13.45 | levi | Your distribution may have some handy ways of setting it up, too. |
| 21:13.54 | fugue88 | saturdayplace: Have you verified that Apache is actually listening on the two addresses? |
| 21:13.59 | saturdayplace | Yep |
| 21:14.34 | saturdayplace | It just wants to serve the default DocumentRoot for the second VirtualHost, which is annoying the ever-loving crap out of me. |
| 21:16.44 | romanovic | saturdayplace: can you pastebin your .conf? |
| 21:16.52 | saturdayplace | sure, hold on... |
| 21:34.48 | saturdayplace | Hm, looks like fugu88 might've been right. I'm not 100% sure apache was listening on the second address. |
| 21:36.30 | saturdayplace | I had a varnish cache in between confusing things. I'll come back when I have a better idea of what I'm doing. |
| 21:46.55 | saturdayplace | OK, here's the relevant apache bits. |
| 21:46.59 | saturdayplace | http://dpaste.com/568816/ |
| 21:48.15 | saturdayplace | er: forgot to redact some stuff, here's the real one: http://dpaste.com/568818/ |
| 21:48.41 | saturdayplace | as far as I can tell, that's all I need to get this working, but nothing's ever served out of /var/www/ftpdocs |
| 21:54.28 | romanovic | saturdayplace: try quotes around /var/www/ftpdocs |
| 21:55.06 | saturdayplace | no joy |
| 21:56.34 | romanovic | anything helpful in your logs? |
| 21:56.42 | saturdayplace | nope |
| 21:57.08 | saturdayplace | The server just cheerfully serves content out of the default DocumentRoot |
| 21:58.26 | saturdayplace | and my lonely /var/www/ftpdocs doesn't get to see the light of day |
| 21:58.45 | sjansen | There's not a lot that could go wrong. |
| 21:59.06 | sjansen | That means going back to basics and double checking assumptions. |
| 21:59.12 | saturdayplace | guess so |
| 21:59.21 | sjansen | Step One: Re-read http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/ip-based.html |
| 21:59.21 | brac | [Apache IP-based Virtual Host Support - Apache HTTP Server] |
| 21:59.38 | sjansen | Step Two: Make sure config matches requirements outlined in (1). |
| 22:00.22 | sjansen | Step Three: Completely stop Apache and make sure that nothing is still listening. (In other words, if there's an old Apache hanging around, of course it's using the old config.) |
| 22:00.48 | sjansen | Step Four: Start Apache againt, then use netstat to verify that Apache is listening on the expected IPs and ports. |
| 22:01.14 | sjansen | Step Five: Scratch head and mutter. |
| 22:01.52 | sjansen | Most likely the problem is a wedged process, forgotten configuration detail, or typo. |
| 22:01.52 | goozbach | step six: ask for help on #utah :) |
| 22:08.52 | saturdayplace | scratches head and mutters |
| 22:10.27 | goozbach | wonder where this happened: http://notalwaysright.com/polarized-politics-predisposes-people-to-puerility/12534 |
| 22:13.04 | fungus | lol, at byu even. |
| 22:14.39 | fungus | I knew they had crazies there, but not that bad. I'd expect that from some southern bible school. |
| 22:18.16 | eightyeight | wow. that's a lot of scripts ghostery kills |
| 22:24.53 | saturdayplace | Would it matter that I'm running a Django app on the other IP address? |
| 22:27.27 | resplin | goozbach: Wow, just wow. |
| 22:28.02 | resplin | I had a neighbor who stopped being friends with me when I told him I voted for Obama in 2008. Life in happy valley . . . |
| 22:28.54 | Migs | you DID????!! |
| 22:29.07 | Migs | /ignore resplin |
| 22:30.04 | fugue88 | saturdayplace: I wouldn't think so, but you could always comment it's current config out and send it to a directory to try. |
| 22:30.47 | resplin | feels so terribly alone . . . |
| 22:30.54 | resplin | lol |
| 22:31.02 | saturdayplace | I'm getting frustrated enough that I'm considering rebooting. A Fedora box. |
| 22:31.11 | saturdayplace | :D |
| 22:31.44 | fugue88 | You've only booted it once? My boot would have been all over it by now... ;) |
| 22:36.24 | saturdayplace | Even the super helpful guy in #httpd is stumped. |
| 22:43.29 | findlay | reboot it twice for extra help |
| 22:44.49 | cbryant215 | The first mistake is running Fedora... |
| 22:44.52 | cbryant215 | :D |
| 22:44.57 | sjansen | I'm offended that anyone would have voted for McCain. |
| 22:45.26 | findlay | I'm offended by trees |
| 22:45.30 | sjansen | And I'm offended that so many republicans would rather plunge our economy into chaos than eliminate tax loopholes. |
| 22:45.39 | cbryant215 | I'm offended by non-Debian Linux. |
| 22:46.04 | findlay | I'm offended by the minimal supersymmetric extension |
| 22:46.07 | sjansen | Therefore, I insist that everyone in #utah either leave the channel or take off all their clothes. |
| 22:46.26 | cbryant215 | My $0.02: The GOP has no ideas of its own other than "Stop the black guy!" |
| 22:46.36 | fungus | lol |
| 22:47.35 | saturdayplace | sjansen: how do you know we're wearing clothes? |
| 22:47.54 | sjansen | saturdayplace: I'm offended that you would even ask me that question. |
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| 22:57.57 | findlay | stupid modbus |
| 23:00.38 | saturdayplace | cbryant215: Sell me on Debian. |
| 23:00.38 | findlay | actually, stupid technologic systems for putting out hardware preloaded with linux 2.4 and software oudated by 3 debian stable releases |
| 23:06.27 | cbryant215 | saturdayplace: I have found Debian to be more intuitive, easier to compile for, and with better documentation/support than Fedora. |
| 23:07.29 | cbryant215 | It benefits from having the two most popular distros based upon it, as well. |
| 23:09.43 | findlay | maybe you should just use windows |
| 23:09.52 | findlay | like other respectable people |
| 23:10.22 | findlay | this linux thing is for socialists |
| 23:10.51 | cbryant215 | I never claimed to be respectable. |
| 23:10.59 | cbryant215 | Or a non-socialist. |
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| 23:16.36 | resplin | sjansen: Can I put my clothes back on yet? |
| 23:17.10 | resplin | Sometimes I forget this channel is logged. Context is very important. |
| 23:18.27 | findlay | wants sjansen to tell a story |
| 23:19.40 | resplin | ~help |
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| 23:56.21 | eightyeight | what is the module for the kernel for lvm? |
| 23:56.34 | eightyeight | would i find a compile option for it in the config? |