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| 14:01.23 | *** topic/#utah by eightyeight -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | turntable.fm/utah | minecraft multiplayer: plug.org | life is too short to remove usb safely |
| 14:01.40 | goozbach | amen |
| 14:01.45 | goozbach | howdy folkese |
| 14:05.27 | goozbach | someone needs to join turntable.fm/utah |
| 14:05.38 | goozbach | so I may listen to my music |
| 14:05.45 | goozbach | it doesn't let you play to an empty room |
| 14:06.04 | fugue88 | Is that like when github goes down so you can't write code anymore? :P |
| 14:08.24 | Migs | you need a Facebook account to join? |
| 14:08.34 | goozbach | Migs: I think so |
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| 16:01.00 | goozbach | I need a suggestion for 'in the ear' noise isolating earphones |
| 16:01.12 | goozbach | the ones I have keep falling out as I chew |
| 16:01.24 | goozbach | and are very uncomfortable |
| 16:11.50 | fugue88 | goozbach: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Bose%26%23174%3B+-+IE2+Audio+Headphones/1114791.p;jsessionid=D1705467DBA2FD3272EB80D1CA6BA603.bbolsp-app05-36?id=1218221912874&skuId=1114791 |
| 16:12.04 | fugue88 | Never used them, though. |
| 16:12.30 | fugue88 | Although, I'm sure MonsterCable must have some gold-plated earphones that are obviously 10x superior, and 10x the price. :P |
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| 16:31.30 | macnewbold | goozbach: others might make it as well, but i know skullcandy for their earbuds has the usual silicone gels, but they also have a foam tip you can use instead, a lot like those foam earplugs you find. |
| 16:31.39 | macnewbold | roll them in your fingers, then stick them in, and they expand a bit |
| 16:32.13 | macnewbold | i've found them highly effective, super comfortable, and they should be pretty cost effective too i think |
| 16:36.33 | fugue88 | I must admit that I don't understand skullcandy's product line at all. |
| 16:36.41 | fugue88 | Such a variation in price for earbuds, for example. |
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| 16:36.56 | fugue88 | But I don't know what the differences are. Why the differences in price? |
| 16:38.52 | fadein | declares a victory for Skullcandy's marketing dept. |
| 16:39.14 | fugue88 | :D |
| 16:44.39 | macnewbold | between the $20 earbuds and the $50-100 earbuds there's a big variation in features, materials/quality, and sound quality |
| 16:46.25 | levi | There are "earbuds" and then there are "ear canal monitors" or whatever they call them. |
| 16:47.10 | goozbach | are there good alternatives for the $$$ bose noise canceling headphones? |
| 16:47.21 | goozbach | ie not so expensive, yet not cheap |
| 16:47.57 | levi | I have a JBL set of earbuds that came with several different rubber inserts that you can use to get a good fit. I think the particular model is discontinued, though. :( |
| 16:48.00 | fugue88 | Someone should write noise cancelling software. Listen to your laptop's mic, put the appropriate cancelling waveform on audio out. |
| 16:48.09 | fugue88 | It would be tricky for the user to calibrate though. |
| 16:48.31 | macnewbold | levi: that's how skullcandy's are too - they all come with small/medium/large gels - some also come with the "Comply" foam tips that are my fav |
| 16:48.34 | levi | The guy who sits across the aisle from me does noise cancelling software, actually. |
| 16:49.03 | levi | Eh, skullcandy. They've got a good marketing department, I'll give them that. |
| 16:49.12 | goozbach | the altek headphones came with the small-med-large rubber deals |
| 16:49.17 | goozbach | but the small is not small enough |
| 16:49.28 | shalkie | buys the $5 ones form big lots. |
| 16:49.37 | goozbach | who here works at skullcandy |
| 16:49.41 | goozbach | someone does |
| 16:49.51 | levi | goozbach: You should upgrade your ear canals to a larger model. ;) |
| 16:50.00 | shalkie | goozbach: herlo has done some work there and might know someone still there. |
| 16:50.10 | eightyeight | i don't get the skullcandy hype. i've had 3 of their phones, and i've found sony phones to be much more responsive on tone |
| 16:50.31 | eightyeight | (even though i hate sony about as much as i hate apple) |
| 16:50.34 | levi | eightyeight: Like I said, they have a good marketing department. |
| 16:50.36 | fugue88 | eightyeight: Yeah, I've had two sony headphones that were excellent. |
| 16:50.41 | eightyeight | levi: i agree |
| 16:50.58 | levi | They're a fashion accessory. |
| 16:51.12 | levi | That also happens to play audio. |
| 16:51.25 | eightyeight | they're okay. they're not bad, like koss, but they're not stellar either |
| 16:51.32 | fugue88 | Completely secondary, levi. ;) |
| 16:52.42 | levi | Bose also has an excellent marketing department. |
| 16:53.28 | resplin | goozbach: I like my "Ultimate Ears MetroFi 170vi Noise Isolating Earphones w/ Microphone". I got them from Amazon for $40. The mic doesn't isolate well enough to have a conversation in a noisy environment, but the headphones work well. |
| 16:54.06 | eightyeight | levi: heh. i agree with you there too (both on the face of your statement, and reading between the lines)( |
| 16:54.12 | eightyeight | s/\($// |
| 16:54.58 | eightyeight | bose has always had a hollow sound to me |
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| 16:59.00 | levi | I still really like my AKG headphones. |
| 17:00.57 | goozbach | a friend of mine had some howard leight shooting earmuffs which had a mic and noise canceling |
| 17:01.01 | goozbach | was really cool |
| 17:01.09 | goozbach | I wonder if they have a "line in" |
| 17:01.40 | macnewbold | my brother (works in a wood shop) wears hearing protection earmuffs with his earbuds on underneath |
| 17:02.11 | goozbach | http://www.howardleight.com/ear-muffs/impact-sport |
| 17:03.04 | goozbach | it does ahve a line-in! |
| 17:03.06 | macnewbold | goozbach: i used to work at skullcandy - i know some folks who still do - ags isn't in here atm but he works there. herlo does contract work with them last i heard too. |
| 17:06.33 | levi | Anyway, if anyone wants some very high quality headphones and you aren't concerned with looks or portability, check out the AKG 272HD. |
| 17:10.19 | jsmith | goozbach: Buy me a pair while you're at it. |
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| 19:13.29 | findlay | hello |
| 19:13.49 | jsmith | Howdy findlay |
| 19:14.31 | findlay | what do you know about modbus? |
| 19:14.53 | findlay | levi? |
| 19:15.00 | findlay | of all people |
| 19:15.36 | findlay | more specifically, which libmodbus is reccommended? |
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| 19:17.13 | findlay | I'm using python, but pymodbus wants a huge 3rd party, including twisted, and I don't want that on this embedded system |
| 19:17.51 | findlay | I guess I'll just wrap [http://www.libmodbus.org/ libmodbus] calls with ctypes |
| 19:19.58 | findlay | but I'm upset that I have to encumber this lean code with a glut of code in order to conform to an ancient network protocol |
| 19:21.48 | levi | Hmm, modbus. |
| 19:22.22 | levi | Haven't used it before, so I won't be of much help. Sorry. |
| 19:23.02 | findlay | are you still in school, levi? |
| 19:23.08 | levi | Nope! |
| 19:24.05 | findlay | what sorts of things occupy your temporal futurity? |
| 19:25.43 | levi | My temporal futurity? Seems an odd thing to apply a present-tense verb to. |
| 19:26.35 | findlay | consider time to be stateless--a wholesome entity |
| 19:27.05 | fugue88 | Wholesome, hearty, multi-grain. |
| 19:27.23 | levi | If you mean my plans, they are filled mostly with short-term projects of various sorts that I have so many of that they make up a single long-term, slow-progress task. |
| 19:27.23 | eightyeight | house trained |
| 19:28.11 | findlay | levi: are you rewriting libc in ocaml? |
| 19:28.35 | levi | At work I'm researching network management in automotive networks along with automotive infotainment systems of the future. |
| 19:28.39 | findlay | I don't necessarily recommend it |
| 19:28.49 | levi | I haven't done anything with ocaml in years. |
| 19:29.22 | levi | It was a good fit for what I did with it, though! |
| 19:29.29 | findlay | "automotive infotainment systems of the future®"! |
| 19:31.09 | sjansen | ~seen elg |
| 19:31.09 | ibot | elg is currently on #utah, last said: 'shalkie++'. |
| 19:31.33 | levi | Yeah, the wicked awesome integrated audio/video playing systems that'll be in high-end Eurpoean luxury vehicles in a few years. |
| 19:32.38 | fugue88 | Pictures *and* sound? Awesome! |
| 19:33.04 | fugue88 | levi: I know, I know, it's much more than that. :) |
| 19:33.19 | eightyeight | pictures, sound, and text! |
| 19:33.31 | eightyeight | (notice the blatant use of the oxford comma) |
| 19:33.39 | findlay | IRC in your car with sound effects! |
| 19:33.43 | fugue88 | looks forward to having subtitle on his talkies |
| 19:33.55 | levi | There's quite a bit more to it than you know, even. :) |
| 19:34.08 | findlay | prefers the commas that come from oxford over those from cambridge |
| 19:34.15 | fugue88 | findlay: I agree. |
| 19:34.52 | sjansen | Is anyone else frightened by the pairing of "automotive" and "infotainment"? |
| 19:34.58 | findlay | the cambrideg commas just don't have enough curry |
| 19:35.17 | sjansen | is also disturbed that his spell checker recognized "infotainment". |
| 19:35.25 | fugue88 | heh |
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| 19:36.24 | findlay | if roads were lined with advertisements, then driving would already be infotained-ready |
| 19:36.43 | levi | "infotainment" was basically nav + radio + CDs at first, but now includes movies and phones and internet stuff and other driver assistance features. |
| 19:37.09 | findlay | levi: do you still support 8 tracks? |
| 19:37.15 | levi | No. |
| 19:38.00 | findlay | what about records? |
| 19:38.08 | levi | Nope. |
| 19:38.13 | eightyeight | s/records/vinyl/ |
| 19:38.15 | eightyeight | sheesh |
| 19:38.23 | findlay | can't imagine getting a lot of dynamic range out of grooves cut into vynil platters |
| 19:38.39 | levi | No cassette tapes, either. |
| 19:38.48 | findlay | minidiscs? |
| 19:38.54 | levi | Nope. |
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| 19:40.03 | sjansen | gender is to racist as technology is to ? |
| 19:40.15 | sjansen | s/racist/sexist/ |
| 19:40.25 | sjansen | levi: technologist |
| 19:40.31 | findlay | GRE |
| 19:40.33 | findlay | ! |
| 19:40.36 | jsmith | luddite? |
| 19:40.45 | findlay | smoked the analogy section on the GRE |
| 19:40.59 | levi | I don't think there's a word that quite captures that. |
| 19:41.13 | levi | You could probably build one in German, though. |
| 19:41.43 | sjansen | I have decided that starting now the word "technologist" captures it. |
| 19:41.54 | findlay | DeutschWordSynthesisFelicity |
| 19:41.55 | levi | Good luck with that. |
| 19:42.23 | sjansen | And furthermore, I have decided that levi is a technologist for his treatment of 8 tracks and cassette tapes. |
| 19:42.40 | findlay | sjansenlogic |
| 19:42.55 | Migs | is the GRE as hard as everyone says it is? |
| 19:42.58 | sjansen | sjansenwisdom |
| 19:43.02 | levi | Hey, I don't make the requirements documents, that's all the auto makers. |
| 19:43.04 | Migs | I looked at the practice exams, and omfg |
| 19:43.05 | fadein | Migs: depends on what score you want to get |
| 19:43.06 | findlay | Migs: probably |
| 19:43.09 | sjansen | sjansenincite |
| 19:43.20 | Migs | I'm glad my masters program didn't require the GRE |
| 19:43.25 | findlay | Migs: the physics GRE is a lot harder than the general one |
| 19:43.28 | Migs | I'll need to take it for the EdD, tho |
| 19:43.31 | Migs | oh I don't doubt it |
| 19:43.41 | eightyeight | looks forward to the math gre |
| 19:44.03 | eightyeight | bring it |
| 19:46.51 | sjansen | levi: Just "following orders"? And you think that's a defense? You're the jackbooted shock troops of the technoratti. It's because of people like you that I can't buy a laptop with a decent screen anymore. |
| 19:48.53 | sjansen | wisesjansenincitedom |
| 19:48.59 | levi | Hmm, I'm 8 for 8 so far on sample GRE syllogisms. |
| 19:50.39 | eightyeight | in firefox, when enabling "fips 140" security module, what exactly does that do to the password database? |
| 19:50.48 | findlay | I consider myself to have a respectable vocabulary, but when I took it, I started seeing words I had never seen before, and was expected to negotiate analogies among them from sentence context |
| 19:50.50 | eightyeight | i know that a master password encrypts it with 3des, so i'm curious what extra security, if any, enabling this does for me |
| 19:51.05 | findlay | It's supposed to be easier now, though |
| 19:51.18 | findlay | I dislike all standardized tests, however |
| 19:51.45 | levi | Well, giving you words you didn't already know was probably the point of that if they bothered with sentence context. |
| 19:52.14 | findlay | levi: perhaps |
| 19:53.24 | levi | I dunno if I'll ever get around to grad school. |
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| 19:56.19 | eightyeight | found https://developer.mozilla.org/en/NSS/FIPS_Mode_-_an_explanation |
| 19:56.23 | eightyeight | that answers my question exactly |
| 19:57.45 | jsmith | eightyeight: Now teach the rest of us |
| 20:00.07 | jalbretsen | did someone say physics GRE exams? |
| 20:01.14 | Migs | grad school was the best thing I ever did |
| 20:01.23 | Migs | my children were a close second |
| 20:02.04 | levi | Well, if I had done grad school before children.... |
| 20:02.30 | jalbretsen | Grad school got me where I am today, even if I didn't finish despite being ABD |
| 20:04.50 | Migs | I miss my last semester's classes...those were fun |
| 20:04.56 | Migs | I just have one class for summer |
| 20:05.08 | Migs | but last semester my classes were all in Second Life |
| 20:05.57 | jalbretsen | I just teach classes now |
| 20:07.40 | cbryant215 | Wow, people are talking! |
| 20:10.20 | eightyeight | jsmith: essentially, "fips mode" enforces certain standards that the browwser must conform to when using crytographic devices |
| 20:10.40 | jsmith | eightyeight: Yeah, I know what FIPS 140 is -- just trying to help others learn |
| 20:10.41 | eightyeight | eg: only TLS can be used, and only algs approved in fips 140-1 |
| 20:11.21 | eightyeight | eg: the password database is not allowed to present passwords/keys/certs to the user without the user authenticating. thus the need for a master password |
| 20:11.47 | eightyeight | which, the master password alg used to encrypt the password db must also use an algo approved in fips 140-1 |
| 20:11.52 | eightyeight | (which is 3des, btw) |
| 20:12.59 | eightyeight | eg: any algos presented to the browser (https for example) that aren't approved in fips 140-1 are rejected |
| 20:13.39 | eightyeight | i'm sure there are other things i'm missing, but that's what i got out of the article |
| 20:27.02 | Sargun_Screen | Migs: you have your masters? |
| 20:27.11 | Sargun_Screen | Migs: Aren't you a sysadmin for a school district? |
| 20:37.24 | Migs | yes |
| 20:37.29 | Migs | I'll have my masters in December |
| 20:37.46 | Migs | just one more class left |
| 20:38.01 | Migs | and Weber School District, specifically |
| 20:39.02 | sjansen | Just think, though, if you finished instead of requiring your friends to call you master Jake, you could require them to call you the doctor. |
| 20:40.02 | Migs | I'm going to make EVERYONE call me "Master" |
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| 20:45.20 | eightyeight | good luck |
| 20:47.56 | sjansen | cbryant215: No, no one is talking. Those are just the voices in your head again. |
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| 20:56.44 | bryan10191 | is there a PLUG meeting this wednesday? |
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| 21:56.35 | sjansen | Knowing rsimpkins, there's probably a super awesome amazing head exploding meeting this Wednesday since I'm traveling. |
| 21:59.34 | elg | how are they going to explode your head if you're traveling |
| 21:59.38 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 21:59.41 | elg | that's what we call missing the mark |
| 22:00.34 | sjansen | My point exactly. I'm going to miss out on the head exploding. |
| 22:01.06 | sjansen | I'm going to come back and everyone else is going to be headless, while I'll still be watching around with several pounds of shame still attached to my neck. |
| 22:02.26 | sjansen | notices that he's wearing a blue shirt despite distinctly remembering putting on a red shirt this morning |
| 22:05.26 | romanovic | sjansen: that was before you entered the matrix |
| 22:05.42 | romanovic | you must've subconsiously envisioned yourself wearing red since then |
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| 23:19.37 | findlay | compiling on an ARM |