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| 15:33.28 | Sargun_Screen | ey |
| 15:33.30 | Sargun_Screen | Hey |
| 15:33.43 | eightyeight | they |
| 15:34.30 | Sargun_Screen | Someone is here. |
| 15:34.32 | Sargun_Screen | it's amazing |
| 15:34.36 | Sargun_Screen | Good evening eightyeight |
| 15:34.44 | Sargun_Screen | How you doin'? |
| 15:35.33 | jsmith | Sargun_Screen: Of course there's someone here :-) |
| 15:37.38 | eightyeight | Sargun_Screen: according to my irc client, there are 73 nicks in the channel |
| 15:37.51 | eightyeight | Sargun_Screen: good morning, i am doing fine |
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| 15:51.18 | eightyeight | ~welcome brac |
| 15:51.18 | ibot | [all in unison] Hi, brac! |
| 15:51.32 | brac | re ibot! |
| 15:53.56 | goozbach | hi brac |
| 15:54.00 | brac | sup, goozbach! |
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| 16:08.36 | levi | Hi, #utah. |
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| 18:09.05 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 18:10.22 | sjansen | Sometimes I worry about moving to systemd because it will be so much less transparent, but then I go diving into a distros startup scripts and become amazed that such brittle code doesn't blow up more often. |
| 18:10.51 | sjansen | Relying on shell scripts for something so complicated and important as booting is madness. |
| 18:11.40 | goozbach | I'm trying to install Inferno natively and I've learned the importance of startup scripts |
| 18:11.52 | goozbach | even if they are in "shell" |
| 18:20.37 | sjansen | Oh crap, as if udev weren't complicated enough already. |
| 18:21.56 | goozbach | oh man! First I make a wallet from duct tape, then it gets commercialized. I've been toting a tyvex wallet for a few years now when duck tape went mainstream |
| 18:22.03 | goozbach | now this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/8904/ |
| 18:22.07 | goozbach | where do I go next? |
| 18:22.19 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Tyvek Wallets] |
| 18:22.26 | eightyeight | fiberglass |
| 18:22.33 | goozbach | eeentresting |
| 18:22.42 | goozbach | wonders how easy it is to fold and seal a sil-pat |
| 18:23.02 | goozbach | it would protect the contents from butt sweat |
| 18:23.04 | goozbach | ... |
| 18:25.17 | Migs | That would be useful |
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| 18:26.04 | goozbach | maybe add a waterproof zipper... |
| 18:26.18 | goozbach | make it big enough to hold my phone!? |
| 18:26.21 | goozbach | hhmmmmm |
| 18:27.40 | eightyeight | or kevlar |
| 18:28.14 | eightyeight | http://www.luxurylaunches.com/fashion/lost_your_wallet_try_the_carbon_fiber_iwallet_for_better_safety.php |
| 18:28.15 | brac | [Lost your wallet? Try the carbon fiber iWallet for better safety] |
| 18:28.25 | eightyeight | complete with biometric security |
| 18:28.47 | eightyeight | and bluetooth, even. neat |
| 18:29.00 | goozbach | eightyeight: I want to build one |
| 18:29.11 | goozbach | if it's manufactured, it's too mainstream |
| 18:29.24 | eightyeight | heh |
| 18:32.43 | sjansen | goozbach: When you decide what type of wallet to switch to, let me know. I have an idea for a side business. ;-) |
| 18:43.53 | goozbach | sjansen: I don't have a problem if *I* am the one selling them :) |
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| 21:02.46 | Gate | goozbach: kydex. That would make a good wallet.... right? |
| 21:03.44 | goozbach | kydex? |
| 21:04.23 | Gate | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kydex |
| 21:04.33 | Gate | used as a holster material |
| 21:05.03 | goozbach | googles |
| 21:05.09 | Gate | its rigid and would be a very uncomfortable wallet, unless very well thought out |
| 21:05.57 | Gate | then again, there are stainless steel wallets. |
| 21:07.44 | Jayce^ | kydex would be too thick :) |
| 21:08.07 | Gate | only a few milimeters of actual material, problem is you would have to build a hinge |
| 21:09.10 | fugue88 | I've seen a wallet *woven* out of stainless steel threads. Looked thin & flexible. |
| 21:09.19 | fugue88 | Should say, seen pictures of.... |
| 21:09.30 | Gate | that just sounds painful, but I guess it could work |
| 21:09.37 | goozbach | that's also avaiable on thinkgeek |
| 21:09.39 | fugue88 | wonders how durable that would be |
| 21:09.41 | goozbach | woven stainless |
| 21:11.28 | Gate | heh, modern chainmail. |
| 21:12.36 | Gate | i'm still using the same wallet that I was given at 14 or 15. Just no need to change it. |
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| 21:55.39 | amjith_ | I'm starting a copy process that is huge, is there a way to start this with a process indicator? |
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| 23:00.50 | Sargun_Screen | Rawr. |
| 23:00.54 | Sargun_Screen | Is there someone here now? |
| 23:04.09 | eightyeight | i would like to measure the network overhead of all the ciphers listed in ssh_config(5). does ssh(1) provide a means of doing this, or should i use something like tcpdump(1) or wireshark(1)? |
| 23:04.20 | eightyeight | E.G.: if i transfer a file that is 100MB via a specific cipher, how many bytes are actually transferred? 114MB? 105MB? |
| 23:04.45 | Gate | Sargun_Screen: yep |
| 23:06.28 | Gate | eightyeight: I suspect that they differ far more on amount of encryption time than data transferred. |
| 23:06.46 | eightyeight | of course, but i'm not interested in speed, only overhead |
| 23:07.41 | eightyeight | s/overhead/size/ |
| 23:11.59 | Gate | eightyeight: I'm very curious as to why. What I would do is use SCP to transfer to localhost, or see if there is a way to use them to do a one way encryption |
| 23:12.17 | Gate | I would be very suprised if you get more than a few hundred bytes of difference |
| 23:12.38 | eightyeight | the why is just plain old curiosity |
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| 23:20.33 | Gate | gotcha |
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| 23:39.51 | eightyeight | # tshark -z io,stat,0 port 22 |
| 23:39.59 | eightyeight | just what i'm looking for |
| 23:40.11 | eightyeight | starts testing the other ciphers |
| 23:46.04 | eightyeight | the thing that got me curious about this, was synergyc(1) |
| 23:46.34 | eightyeight | if i connect straight to the server, then the max bandwidth of the mouse and keyboard being shared is about 10KBps |
| 23:46.48 | eightyeight | however, if tunneled through ssh(1), then it's about 15KBps |
| 23:47.00 | eightyeight | a 50% increase in traffic surprised me, so i wanted to know more |
| 23:47.48 | eightyeight | so far, with my testing, it seems to add about 8% to the byte total |
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