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| 01:14.12 | eightyeight | findlay: heh. yes. solaris is teh fail |
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| 16:02.20 | sjansen | http://www.theonion.com/video/morbid-curiosity-leading-many-voters-to-support-pa,18865/ |
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| 19:00.49 | shalkie | http://www.theonion.com/video/al-qaeda-attacks-internet-with-photo-of-adorable-p,19324/ |
| 19:01.21 | shalkie | mildly nsfw |
| 19:01.37 | shalkie | very mildly |
| 19:12.45 | sjansen | ~lart bash |
| 19:12.45 | ibot | --purges bash |
| 19:15.34 | sjansen | echo "Bash sucks!" |
| 19:16.54 | eightyeight | what?! |
| 19:17.04 | eightyeight | is this the real sjansen, or has someone compromised his terminal |
| 19:18.00 | sjansen | Bash's treatment of bang sucks. There is no other word to describe it. |
| 19:21.13 | eightyeight | why? |
| 19:21.14 | fadein | sjansen: I'll have to go ahead and disagree with you there. history substitution is teh win |
| 19:23.54 | fadein | man bash /^HISTORY EXPANSION |
| 19:24.58 | fadein | sjansen: your example will work if you type it without the dbl quotes |
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| 19:30.48 | sjansen | fadein: So? That doesn't help me with a real world, multi-line string. |
| 19:31.19 | sjansen | Besides, getting into the habit of not quoting is just asking for trouble. |
| 19:32.20 | sjansen | eightyeight: Why? When was the last time you desperately needed to insert a previous command in double quotes in a later command? |
| 19:32.44 | sjansen | echo "Bash suck!" |
| 19:32.49 | sjansen | echo "Bash sucks\!" |
| 19:33.13 | sjansen | Can anyone honestly claim that the result of either command is even remotely appropriate? |
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| 19:34.15 | eightyeight | sjansen: i don't use bash, so i don't know |
| 19:34.51 | sjansen | congratulations, you must feel so special |
| 19:35.01 | eightyeight | no |
| 19:35.07 | eightyeight | you asked a question, i answered it |
| 19:35.17 | eightyeight | i don't know why bang sucks in bash, that's why i asked |
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| 19:36.24 | eightyeight | wow. that does suck. heh |
| 19:45.51 | fungus | sjansen, echo 'Bash sucks!' |
| 19:46.14 | sjansen | fungus: Duh. Not an option because of embedded single quotes. |
| 19:46.21 | fungus | always single quote unless you absolutely need variable expansion |
| 19:47.07 | fungus | echo "Bash sucks"'!' |
| 19:47.12 | fungus | :) |
| 19:48.00 | sjansen | echo 'Select \'Bash \'||status||\'!\' FROM languages WHERE name = \'bash\'' |
| 19:49.00 | sjansen | echo 'Select \'$Lang \'||status||\'!\' FROM languages WHERE name = \'$lang\'' |
| 19:49.35 | eightyeight | ouch |
| 19:50.59 | sjansen | What should be quick and trivial is rendered needlessly painless because some moron thought it would be helpful to special case the bang to allow history expansion in double quotes instead of freaking using an intermediate variable. |
| 19:51.10 | sjansen | s/painless/painful/ |
| 19:51.19 | sjansen | ~lart Bash again for good measure |
| 19:51.19 | ibot | executes killall -HUP Bash again for good measure |
| 19:51.54 | sjansen | I mean the shell is hard enough without adding gratuitous hurdles and spiked pits. |
| 19:57.55 | fugue88 | sjansen: $ works in here-docs, but not !. I really like here-docs for generating SQL from bash. It also cuts down on strange quoting/escaping. |
| 19:59.58 | sjansen | Yeah, switching to a here doc was the right thing to do it. |
| 19:59.59 | fadein | sjansen: just change the value $histchars such that the first char isn't a bang |
| 20:01.04 | eightyeight | set it to null |
| 20:01.38 | fadein | histchars=\000\000 |
| 20:01.40 | fadein | done |
| 20:03.05 | fadein | seriously, history expansion is where it's at. you should check it out. It wasted a bit of your time today, but it'll save you way more in the future |
| 20:03.58 | fadein | it's all there to make the shell easier and more pleasant |
| 20:04.24 | fadein | which clearly doesn't work when you don't know it's there ;) |
| 20:06.13 | sjansen | I prefer command keys so I can see the command before it runs. |
| 20:07.18 | fugue88 | sjansen: Man up! sysadmin in the blind! |
| 20:09.06 | fugue88 | has not taken the time to learn bash's history stuff, other than the basic control keys |
| 20:16.03 | rsimpkins | I use history search constantly. Haven't found much reason to do more, yet. |
| 20:16.11 | eightyeight | again, ksh(1) works as expected |
| 20:26.44 | levi | This is why you should deprecate shells for multi-line scripting tasks. :P |
| 20:37.45 | fadein | eightyeight: so long as carpal-tunnel syndrome is what you expect |
| 20:38.33 | eightyeight | not when you're a dvorak typist! ã |