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| 14:28.13 | eightyeight | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 |
| 14:28.16 | brac | [Filesystems (ext3, reiser, xfs, jfs) comparison on Debian Etch] |
| 14:28.26 | eightyeight | i think i might be giving jfs a go on my reinstall |
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| 15:04.45 | cedwards | can someone help me sell my boss on something *other* than network solutions for a registrar? |
| 15:05.20 | cedwards | I personally use namecheap.com, but he thinks its not "professional enough", whereas network solutions would cost 3x+ for transfer and renewals. |
| 15:05.38 | shalkie | I personally use XMission. |
| 15:06.01 | goozbach | I was using an everydns free account now I have to pay $30/year for migrating to dyndns |
| 15:06.03 | cedwards | all I'm using it for is a damned registrar. we don't need hosting. dns services. whois privacy guard stuff, etc. |
| 15:06.05 | goozbach | I don't wanna |
| 15:06.10 | goozbach | what are my options? |
| 15:07.05 | shalkie | has way to many domains |
| 15:10.17 | shalkie | notes that namecheap has a special on certificates signed via comodo |
| 15:10.33 | fungus | cedwards, he probably objects to the name of the registrar. namecheap doesn't sound enterprisey enough |
| 15:11.05 | cedwards | fungus: he did kind of double-take at the name, yes. |
| 15:11.22 | goozbach | it's name Chea pe |
| 15:11.27 | goozbach | chea pea |
| 15:11.32 | goozbach | "it's french" |
| 15:11.47 | cedwards | fungus: I've dealt with network solutions in the past and I do-not-want. |
| 15:11.52 | fungus | Suggest some other registrars that aren't as nutzoid as network solutions |
| 15:12.02 | fungus | agreed netsol is total crap. |
| 15:16.01 | cedwards | I've used |
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| 15:16.36 | cedwards | *netsol, gandi, bluehost, godaddy.. |
| 15:17.14 | cedwards | actually, to think about it, our current registrar is godaddy. how is namecheap less professional than a hot-chick-marketed, elephant-killing reistrar? |
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| 15:29.32 | neybar | I only had a few domains on dyndns. My main domain I actually put back on godaddy (my registrar for that domain) so that I could put in an srv record. |
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| 15:29.57 | neybar | I don't love godaddy, but they get the job done. |
| 15:30.26 | TimRiker | eventually |
| 15:30.39 | neybar | :) |
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| 15:31.40 | goozbach | can I just get a bind host somewhere I can update via nsupdate? |
| 15:31.52 | goozbach | ideally with at least one slave server? |
| 15:32.02 | cedwards | neybar: I just can't freakin' stand the godaddy web interface. |
| 15:32.32 | neybar | I know, and that their dns manager is like 10 links deep in their site... |
| 15:35.15 | cedwards | that's what drives me crazy. |
| 15:35.52 | cedwards | also, I've removed their DNS servers from the list, yet a 'host -t NS domain.tld' randomly switches between theirs and ours day to day. |
| 15:36.11 | cedwards | it's really difficult to make sure things are up to date when I've got to maintain two sets like that. |
| 15:41.26 | goozbach | ~happybirthday Jayce^ |
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| 15:54.51 | goozbach | who is interested in doing a DNS co-op? |
| 15:55.01 | goozbach | ya'll have servers out there on the internet, no? |
| 15:55.10 | goozbach | ya'll are running bind, no? |
| 15:55.29 | jsmith | goozbach: *slightly* interested |
| 15:55.31 | goozbach | I need a slave server, ya'll need a slave server |
| 15:55.39 | goozbach | let's be friends |
| 15:55.59 | goozbach | only requirement is to be a slave to everyone else in the COOP |
| 15:56.27 | goozbach | and have a permanant static address on the interwebs |
| 15:56.35 | goozbach | bonus points for anyone already setup with ipv6 |
| 16:03.44 | shalkie | goozbach: I have a linode account and they will act as slaves. I then run the actual bind server on the VPS and they pull the data from it. |
| 16:04.28 | shalkie | kind of nice knowing that there are a bunch of DNS servers that pull my data but I don't have to babysit. |
| 16:04.51 | goozbach | EEEEENTRESTIng |
| 16:05.07 | goozbach | nevermind all |
| 16:05.08 | Jayce^ | nice |
| 16:05.11 | goozbach | :) |
| 16:05.19 | goozbach | didn't want to be your friends anyhow!? |
| 16:05.21 | goozbach | :) |
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| 16:27.07 | neybar | ~friend goozbach |
| 16:27.07 | ibot | see also: ~lart goozbach |
| 16:27.27 | goozbach | I'm thinking I'm gonna move my linode to Dallas DC |
| 16:27.33 | goozbach | because it has IPV6! |
| 16:27.47 | neybar | ... so friend and lart are interchangeable? EEEEENTERESTIng |
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| 16:36.32 | fadein | anybody else use Bitlbee for their Twittering? |
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| 17:12.02 | sjansen | ~lart Ubuntu and its over eager ethusiasm for breaking systems by instal the nvidia driver |
| 17:12.02 | ibot | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, Ubuntu and its over eager ethusiasm!" and lops off Ubuntu and its over eager ethusiasm's head for breaking systems by instal the nvidia driver |
| 17:13.20 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:13.59 | eightyeight | recalls the weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth countless times, when fedora would break X or wireless, one way or another, release after release |
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| 17:16.38 | eightyeight | fadein: yes, i do |
| 17:26.26 | fadein | eightyeight: does your bitlbee give this error today? "Could not retrieve /statuses/friends.xml: 403 Forbidden" |
| 17:27.15 | fadein | I just can't seem to get it to login - I'm wondering if Twitter changed something on their end to confuse bitlbee, |
| 17:27.32 | fadein | or if something else is being weird. |
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| 17:39.49 | eightyeight | i haven't |
| 17:40.10 | eightyeight | fadein: it's remained connected all day |
| 17:52.40 | sjansen | http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2011/06/09/color-management-integration-in-gnome/ |
| 17:52.47 | sjansen | Richard Hughes is awesome. |
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| 18:00.46 | shalkie | eightyeight: happybday |
| 18:01.05 | shalkie | eightyeight: Should I have ROT13 encoded it? :-D |
| 18:04.20 | eightyeight | shalkie: hah |
| 18:04.30 | eightyeight | shalkie: thx, btw |
| 18:08.08 | sjansen | http://www.utahpreppers.com/2011/06/parents-keep-your-kids-away-from-the-rivers/ |
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| 18:14.56 | goozbach | someone here has to know this guy: http://www.lostateminor.com/2011/06/10/dad-wears-different-costumes-each-day-to-wave-at-school-bus/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LostAtEMinor+%28Lost+At+E+Minor%29&utm_content=Google+Reader |
| 18:16.34 | goozbach | wait!? it's dave from pegleg? |
| 18:17.07 | stderr- | yea |
| 18:18.45 | goozbach | never did meet him |
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| 19:45.46 | eightyeight | http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/bad-news-microsoft-bad-news-foss |
| 19:54.17 | goozbach | who here has ipv6? |
| 19:54.21 | goozbach | can you ping 2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe93:f0b3/64 |
| 19:54.25 | goozbach | ? |
| 19:55.24 | eightyeight | goozbach: results coming back |
| 19:55.24 | JoshH | 64 bytes from 2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe93:f0b3: icmp_seq=1 ttl=240 time=59.1 ms |
| 19:58.19 | goozbach | hmm |
| 19:58.31 | goozbach | not good |
| 19:58.42 | goozbach | you have to set iptables rules seperatly for IPV6? |
| 19:58.51 | eightyeight | yes |
| 19:58.52 | JoshH | ip6tables |
| 19:58.54 | eightyeight | most definitely |
| 19:59.00 | JoshH | (don't block pings though) |
| 19:59.28 | Jayce^ | eightyeight: your birthday lunch? |
| 19:59.42 | eightyeight | yup |
| 19:59.43 | Jayce^ | we're polar opposite twins then :-p |
| 19:59.55 | eightyeight | Jayce^: your b-day too, eh? |
| 20:00.00 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 20:00.06 | eightyeight | happy birthday |
| 20:00.10 | goozbach | JoshH: don't plan on blocking pings but it's a good way to test default policy |
| 20:00.25 | Jayce^ | so did you get fozzmoo's obligatory 'older' video link? |
| 20:00.34 | eightyeight | nay |
| 20:00.39 | Jayce^ | tsk tsk |
| 20:00.43 | Jayce^ | kicks fozzmoo |
| 20:00.53 | goozbach | fozzmoo: you slacker |
| 20:00.53 | fozzmoo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnT5JkGydVY |
| 20:00.56 | goozbach | wait eightyeight and Jayce^ share a birthday!? |
| 20:01.02 | JoshH | also why such a boring ip6 address |
| 20:01.12 | goozbach | JoshH: cause that's what linode gave me |
| 20:01.21 | JoshH | didn't they give you a whole subnet? |
| 20:01.25 | goozbach | and I'm not one to complain |
| 20:01.30 | goozbach | got a subnet |
| 20:01.36 | JoshH | i don't see any beef, cafe, b00b, etc in there |
| 20:01.42 | goozbach | or rather I can request a subnet |
| 20:01.54 | JoshH | you don't have taht whole /64? |
| 20:02.07 | goozbach | I do |
| 20:02.13 | goozbach | but I can get a /48 if I request |
| 20:02.20 | eightyeight | goozbach: apparently, we do |
| 20:02.33 | goozbach | birthday paradox in #utah!!! |
| 20:02.38 | JoshH | ya you don't need a 48 |
| 20:02.51 | goozbach | why not!? |
| 20:02.52 | JoshH | but you can use cooler addresses in that 64 |
| 20:02.59 | goozbach | true |
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| 20:03.26 | JoshH | thats the whole point of using ipv6 man |
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| 20:04.26 | eightyeight | heh |
| 20:04.47 | eightyeight | facebook even has :face:b00c: in theirs |
| 20:07.46 | goozbach | JoshH: I'm *JUST* getting started |
| 20:07.49 | goozbach | give me some time |
| 20:07.58 | goozbach | too bad gooz isn't a hex number |
| 20:11.54 | goozbach | bugger: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=243739 |
| 20:14.36 | JoshH | yipes |
| 20:17.35 | goozbach | guess it's dumb filtering on ipv6 |
| 20:17.52 | goozbach | I'm only gonna do web over ipv6 to start anyway so not a big deal |
| 20:19.08 | JoshH | for my personal box i don't have anything i want reachable on 6 so i just have one rule that drops all input syns |
| 20:19.45 | eightyeight | how does ipv6 work with 6to4? |
| 20:20.15 | eightyeight | apparently, that is how comcast is doing their ipv6 trial, and my router supports it, as it autoconfigs to 6to4 |
| 20:20.31 | goozbach | I understand you have to sign up for a tunnel broker |
| 20:20.38 | eightyeight | but, i'd like to ping ipv6 nics on my lan, but it's not getting routed |
| 20:20.48 | goozbach | or apparently your ISP can |
| 20:21.17 | JoshH | anyone can do 6to4 with no problem, isp support or not |
| 20:21.31 | JoshH | there are publicly usable 6to4 gateways |
| 20:22.17 | JoshH | the only thing that can break it is protocol 41 being blocked |
| 20:22.26 | JoshH | i'm pretty sure 6to4 is not what comcast is using |
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| 21:04.52 | eightyeight | JoshH: i can autodetect what comcast is giving me for ipv6, and it picks 6to4 |
| 21:05.01 | eightyeight | interesting i can ping out, but can't ping in |
| 21:05.13 | eightyeight | "6to4 Tunnel" |
| 21:06.32 | eightyeight | hmm. now i don't have an ipv6 address on the wan |
| 21:09.53 | tristanbob | eightyeight, ZNC is cool, I got it setup. but I don't see a good way to capture all traffic on multiple clients, when some are connected and some aren't. I can "replay the buffer" but it will repeat only if no clients are connected (I think) |
| 21:10.47 | eightyeight | cool. i've never used znc personally, only know about it |
| 21:11.30 | eightyeight | it's my understanding, however, that upon connecting to znc, you get the backlog since your last connection |
| 21:11.38 | eightyeight | i could be wrong. elg would know more about that |
| 21:14.06 | eightyeight | ah, there it is |
| 21:14.10 | eightyeight | i guess it takes time? |
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| 21:15.28 | eightyeight | 2002:43a6:42df::1 |
| 21:15.34 | eightyeight | /16 it appears |
| 21:17.40 | sjansen | I was able to ping that address. Is it the one you were saying didn't see incoming pings? |
| 21:18.11 | eightyeight | no. it was a different host in my lan |
| 21:18.16 | eightyeight | however, everything seems to be working now |
| 21:19.49 | eightyeight | i guess it makes sense, but i enabled the dhcp server on the router, ran 'dhclient -6 eth0', and got an address that is now pingable |
| 21:20.55 | eightyeight | more to learn for me, but i'm not sure how the routing is working, nor what i can assign statically, and what i can't |
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| 22:09.11 | JoshH | eightyeight: i'd guess your router just enables 6to4 by default. apparently comcast is running their own relays now though: http://www.comcast6.net/6to4-config.php |
| 22:09.53 | JoshH | when it talks about devices discovering them though, i would assume they just mean the route to the gateway's v4 address would go to theirs. |
| 22:12.35 | JoshH | what's your router model? |
| 22:19.17 | eightyeight | netgear something or other |
| 22:19.18 | eightyeight | hold on |
| 22:20.05 | eightyeight | JoshH: netgear WNDR3700v2 |
| 22:24.19 | eightyeight | everything does seem to be working fine now, however |
| 22:24.34 | eightyeight | now that i have dhcp handing out v6 addresses |
| 22:25.20 | eightyeight | although, i am going to swich the dhcp server from the router to a box on the lan. so, i'm assuming that i need to figure out how to route packets from the router to the dhcp server |
| 22:25.45 | eightyeight | which is something that i still need to figure out |
| 22:25.50 | JoshH | is your pc on the lan using nat? |
| 22:27.31 | eightyeight | yes, but ipv6 doesn't use nat, afaik |
| 22:27.37 | JoshH | your router would have to be doing something semi-special, and there are tons of possibilities. 6to4 can only be used with a public ip, and "dhcpv6" is rarely used and meant to be in conjunction with router advertisements (RA) for things like handing out a gateway |
| 22:28.18 | eightyeight | /64 of the 128-bits is dedicated to the mac, yes? |
| 22:28.23 | eightyeight | so that can't be changed |
| 22:28.39 | JoshH | what ip is on your pc? |
| 22:29.04 | eightyeight | 2002:43a6:42df:e472::2/64 |
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| 22:32.31 | eightyeight | i would prefer to assign a static address based on mac through dhcpd6, that matches the numbering scheme of my ipv4 topology |
| 22:32.49 | eightyeight | *::1, *::2, *::3, etc, i guess |
| 22:35.17 | eightyeight | thinking about it, because there is no nat on ipv6, i guess dhcp servers for v6 doen't make a lot of sense |
| 22:36.25 | Tene | eightyeight: you can still use nat on ipv6 |
| 22:36.32 | Tene | and there are dhcp servers for v6 |
| 22:36.51 | eightyeight | i knew they existed, but i thought nat wasn't built into the spec |
| 22:37.13 | JoshH | stateless autoconfig from RA uses the mac, 6to4 uses the v4 ip |
| 22:37.16 | eightyeight | i just about install wide-dhcpv6-server |
| 22:37.25 | shalkie | eightyeight: My understanding is that the use of mac is not a requirement and windows actually decided that for zeroconf they would use random numbers instead of mac info. Apparently there were some privacy concerns. |
| 22:37.41 | JoshH | ya, people don't want their mac addresses showing up in server logs |
| 22:38.19 | eightyeight | so, what's to prevent the same v6 address on two different hosts? |
| 22:38.37 | eightyeight | i understand the sheer size, and probability of that happening, but still |
| 22:39.45 | shalkie | *shrug* The random nature of their $RANDOM value apparently. |
| 22:41.20 | eightyeight | oh, i see. it uses ndp to create the globally routable address |
| 22:46.55 | shalkie | FreeBSD has IPv6-Only test images now. :-) http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/6/prweb8529718.htm |
| 22:46.56 | brac | [FreeBSD Foundation and iXsystems Announce IPv6-only Testing Versions of FreeBSD and PC-BSD] |
| 22:47.12 | shalkie | ~thanks brac |
| 22:47.12 | ibot | my pleasure, shalkie |
| 22:47.31 | eightyeight | any ipv6 address that begins with the 2002::/16 prefix is known as a 6to4 address |
| 22:47.50 | eightyeight | continues his learning |
| 22:51.44 | shalkie | Hey Tene, you guys up to IPV6 yet? |
| 22:52.32 | Tene | shalkie: we're not even fully off of debian sarge in our cluster yet. |
| 22:52.47 | shalkie | Oh. |
| 22:52.48 | Tene | Ask me how happy I am about that. |
| 22:53.02 | shalkie | can guess |
| 22:53.21 | pashdown | eightyeight the same thing that prevents two mac addresses on different hosts |
| 22:53.57 | JoshH | technically there have been cases in big networks before where 2 devices have had the same mac address burned in |
| 22:54.06 | JoshH | some guy from VT was posting about it a while ago |
| 22:54.43 | pashdown | probably the navy's monster LAN :) |
| 22:55.44 | shalkie | According to this guy Windows 7 actually changes the address on a regular basis by default too! https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/2011/02/10/windows-7-ipv6-auto-assignment-fix/ |
| 22:56.31 | shalkie | I could be wrong but it seems that some cards allow you to set the MAC address as well. |
| 22:56.37 | JoshH | basically if you care what addresses you get, you don't use RA. if you are plugging your fridge in in the year 2023, you let it autoconfig |
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| 22:59.20 | eightyeight | so, it appears that for 6to4, which i'm using currently, i convert my ipv4 address to ipv6, append the string after 2002: |
| 22:59.40 | eightyeight | and the rest can be arbitrarily set? |
| 22:59.57 | pashdown | yes |
| 23:00.07 | pashdown | either mac calculated or static |
| 23:00.11 | shalkie | I agreed to beta this for pashdown a while ago and he had a good page for reference. |
| 23:00.28 | pashdown | http://ipv6int.net |
| 23:00.29 | brac | [IPv6 Intelligence] |
| 23:00.53 | shalkie | pashdown: Sorry, I didn't have any luck but that host was also doing some funky iptables stuff for some virtual machines. |
| 23:01.15 | eightyeight | even if those ip addresses are behind nat? |
| 23:01.24 | eightyeight | (the ipv4 addresses, that is) |
| 23:02.18 | shalkie | WooHoo! I'm free! |
| 23:02.26 | shalkie | :-) |
| 23:02.28 | pashdown | whatever is doing your tunneling to the public internet will be your calculated 6to4 address |
| 23:02.35 | eightyeight | ah |
| 23:02.38 | eightyeight | that makes sense |
| 23:02.46 | pashdown | so nat wouldn't route |
| 23:02.56 | pashdown | it would be your gateway |
| 23:03.02 | eightyeight | right |
| 23:03.44 | JoshH | tunnels are better than 6to4 |
| 23:03.55 | JoshH | 6to4's only advantage is that you can set it up on any machine with a public ip |
| 23:04.01 | JoshH | and it's simple |
| 23:04.15 | JoshH | if you get a tunnel from he.net they will route a /48 to it for you |
| 23:06.43 | eightyeight | it appears that my dns server can't do AAAA lookups. ugh. so much to do |
| 23:06.49 | eightyeight | this better be worth it! |
| 23:06.54 | eightyeight | shakes his fist |
| 23:18.53 | JoshH | no reason why it shouldn't... but it is true that the vast majority of dns traffic still uses ipv6 transport. i don't even think all the root servers have ipv6 yet. |
| 23:19.02 | JoshH | err ipv4 transport |
| 23:21.37 | eightyeight | i should be using autoconfig, yes? |
| 23:21.46 | JoshH | up to you |
| 23:21.56 | eightyeight | advantages/disadvantages? |
| 23:22.31 | JoshH | opinions vary wildly |
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