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| 06:04.06 | Stephen146 | hello |
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| 07:02.01 | Stephen146 | anyone here? |
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| 13:06.10 | eightyeight | n. there are not 63 nicks in the channel. it's only an illusion |
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| 14:25.40 | lukfugl | yup |
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| 14:27.35 | lukfugl | hmm, browsing through his help, looks like the markov chain commands are gone |
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| 15:06.02 | Jayce^ | stderr-: nice |
| 15:06.07 | Jayce^ | what color? |
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| 15:36.30 | stderr- | Jayce^: forest digital camo |
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| 15:41.53 | stderr- | have you seen the APE Rampage board in action? particularly, vs the Emortal board? Just feeling out upgrade options |
| 15:44.49 | Jayce^ | dont' bother switching boards |
| 15:45.14 | Jayce^ | I think they have a hush bolt for the etek as well, a couple friends really like those |
| 15:45.29 | Jayce^ | if you are considering changing electronics, you should just go ego |
| 15:46.53 | unum | anyone here familiar with REST? |
| 15:47.10 | Jayce^ | anybody who's ever done a GET :) |
| 15:47.18 | lukfugl | as in web programming? yes |
| 15:47.23 | unum | well that's part of my question |
| 15:47.31 | unum | it seems like it's similiar but different |
| 15:47.39 | lukfugl | it's a model of web programming |
| 15:47.49 | lukfugl | you're familiar with a different model |
| 15:47.57 | lukfugl | so it's different for you. but it's still web programming |
| 15:48.31 | lukfugl | (loosely defined, of course...) |
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| 15:49.19 | unum | so if I want my app to be restful, and I want to send a signal to update a database from a file would I use a post request to myapp.com/study/133 |
| 15:49.41 | unum | and leave the post data blank |
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| 15:50.46 | lukfugl | that would be reasonable, yes |
| 15:51.07 | unum | is it considered non restful to use the post data? |
| 15:51.28 | lukfugl | using post data is certainly restful |
| 15:51.39 | lukfugl | just misusing post data might fall in the realm of non-restful :) |
| 15:52.07 | lukfugl | the file the database is updating from is on the same box as the server receiving the POST request? |
| 15:52.08 | Jayce^ | if you do anything requiring a "session", then you're not so restful either |
| 15:52.46 | lukfugl | s/session/transient session/ and I agree |
| 15:52.50 | unum | lukfugl: yes |
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| 15:53.23 | lukfugl | so the content-less post is just a ping to tell the server to go look at the file |
| 15:53.35 | unum | ya |
| 15:54.15 | unum | of course I could easily do this with a non-restful post, but this is the beginning of my learing rest |
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| 15:55.38 | lukfugl | out of curiousity, how does the file get there, and how does the machine initiating the POST know that it's ready? |
| 15:56.18 | unum | so my company runs call centers for public opinion polling |
| 15:56.23 | unum | we also do web surveys |
| 15:56.38 | unum | so we have two servers running software to collect the data |
| 15:56.59 | unum | certain answers need to be reviewed before being sent to our client |
| 15:57.12 | unum | we have a web app we use to review those answers |
| 15:58.06 | unum | so the short answer is that the file is created by specialized software we have, and the user pushes a button to notify the app that they are ready for more data |
| 15:58.21 | lukfugl | k |
| 15:58.37 | unum | we could do this with a cron job, but we don't... |
| 15:59.06 | lukfugl | just trying to think if there's any reason/way it should/could be a PUT, since I tend to avoid POST, but a POST really seems appropriate here |
| 15:59.24 | lukfugl | no new resource is being created, and GET/HEAD are out because the operation's not idempotent |
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| 17:01.20 | sjansen | REST is about resources, nouns. "Ping DB! Hey, Mr. DB, would you mind re-reading this file?" That seems an awful lot like a verb. |
| 17:01.52 | sjansen | RPC is all about procedures, verbs. IE, not REST. |
| 17:02.08 | sjansen | So you're probably never going to find a "proper" RESTful approach. |
| 17:02.44 | sjansen | Which might be fine. But if you really want a restful design, you're going to have to rephrase the question in the form of resources. |
| 17:31.59 | unum | that makes sense |
| 17:36.00 | fugue88 | You need to request the question in the representation of a resource. |
| 17:36.57 | unum | so I requesting a resource be updated |
| 17:37.09 | unum | or "refreshed" |
| 17:38.01 | unum | or if I think of the responses as the resource, I'm requesting new resources be created |
| 17:38.29 | unum | for which I do not have the unique identifier for |
| 17:39.07 | unum | although I'm passing the unique identifier for the resource to which they belong(well sometimes I am.....) |
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| 20:54.57 | maquis | hmmmm... guess it's time to change that password... |
| 20:55.06 | maquis | stupid phone..... |
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| 20:59.58 | maquis- | Hmmm... this app seems better... kinda... |
| 21:01.13 | maquis- | I'd be kinda ticked at that last app if I actually used that password anywhere important... :( |
| 21:03.25 | Gate | maquis-: did it email it to you, or just display it on the screen? |
| 21:04.07 | maquis- | Gate ? It displayed it on the screen in here, i think. |
| 21:04.21 | Gate | oh |
| 21:04.35 | maquis- | Did it not show? |
| 21:04.57 | Gate | so I see you joining, then you say "hmmmm... guess it's time to change that password..." |
| 21:05.17 | maquis- | I was trying to do a /msg nickserv, and it failed... |
| 21:05.31 | Gate | well it didn't get piped into this channel |
| 21:05.38 | maquis- | It looked like it had sent the command to the channel. |
| 21:05.56 | maquis- | Ah... that is good, then. |
| 21:06.00 | fozzmoo | Don't listen to us! |
| 21:06.02 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 21:06.51 | maquis- | Fozz: unfortunately, i actually trust this channel a little... :) |
| 21:06.57 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 21:07.20 | Gate | maquis-: I can send you my log if you don't believe me |
| 21:07.24 | sjansen | maquis: Is your password ********? |
| 21:07.35 | fozzmoo | maquis-: What phone are you working with? |
| 21:07.39 | Gate | of course, it would be really easy to fake the log |
| 21:07.51 | maquis- | Gate: I believe you. |
| 21:08.04 | maquis- | Fozz: droid x |
| 21:08.16 | fozzmoo | maquis-: Nice. |
| 21:08.49 | maquis- | Fozz: yeah... i just wish I had more time to play with it. |
| 21:09.15 | maquis- | It's nap time currently, bit that will probably end soon |
| 21:14.37 | eightyeight | i thought maquis was an irssi user. my how times have changed. :( |
| 21:15.23 | eightyeight | new nicks in the channel, old familiar nicks no longer here, irssi users switching to droid clients, linux users switching to mac |
| 21:15.31 | eightyeight | begins to wonder if he's in the twilight zone |
| 21:15.56 | Gate | nope, just the apocalypse |
| 21:24.09 | sjansen | eightyeight: You're just getting old. |
| 21:25.13 | Jayce^ | you got off sjansen's front lawn, and onto his porch.. |
| 21:34.15 | shalkie | eightyeight: I will switch to a mac if you will buy me one. ;-) |
| 21:34.37 | shalkie | I might reinstall the OS with something else though. |
| 21:39.52 | jnbek|wc | like FreeBSD!! :D |
| 21:41.11 | macnewbold | yay for BSD! |
| 21:44.31 | shalkie | Hey, how did you know? |
| 21:44.34 | shalkie | :-D |
| 21:44.46 | shalkie | has been falling back into his old FreeBSD ways. |
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| 21:47.43 | maquis | Hmmm... does this disconnect of I don't keep out forefront? That sucks... |
| 21:50.44 | eightyeight | shalkie: no, i won't buy you a mac |
| 21:50.46 | eightyeight | sjansen: i guess so |
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| 22:01.53 | shalkie | eightyeight: Damn. Oh well. |
| 22:12.03 | sjansen | ~language shalkie |
| 22:12.03 | ibot | ACTION grabs shalkie by the ear and washes shalkie's mouth out with soap |
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| 22:27.04 | shalkie | ibot: Next time I would like vanilla bean flavored soap. |
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| 22:28.07 | fugue88 | ~soap shalkie |
| 22:28.07 | ibot | ACTION washes shalkie's mouth out with a fat bar of pink soap |
| 22:28.34 | shalkie | spits |
| 22:28.34 | fugue88 | I was hoping for a punishment with more XML. |
| 22:28.42 | shalkie | That was not Vanilla Bean. |
| 22:29.02 | fugue88 | ibot: bake some cookies for shalkie |
| 22:29.02 | ibot | ACTION introduces some cookies for shalkie to Cheech and Chong |
| 22:29.14 | fugue88 | Almost. |
| 22:30.02 | sjansen | Man, production systems are such a drag. |
| 22:45.47 | fozzmoo | Drag systems are such a production. |
| 22:46.16 | fozzmoo | All the make-up, high heels, stockings. Sheesh. |
| 22:51.12 | goozbach | hah! |
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| 23:54.17 | sjansen | http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/06/02/2348233/Sony-Compromised-Again |
| 23:55.25 | jsmith | sjansen: Am I supposed to be surprised... |
| 23:56.03 | sjansen | Check out some of the numbers. |
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| 23:56.55 | sjansen | You might not be surprised that Sony was compromised, but you might be surprised by the depth of Sony's incompetence and the scale of their new problem. |