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| 02:47.35 | findlay | has anyone here ever successfully setup a ppp link over serial? |
| 02:50.03 | findlay | it seems as though I can setup the link, but then how do I use it? |
| 02:55.29 | shalkie | It has been forever and a day for me. I assume your talking about using it in Linux and I remember the PPP howto at tldp being good. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO/ |
| 02:56.41 | findlay | yes, I'm looking at that |
| 03:02.22 | findlay | the way http://tldp.org/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO/direct.html is written, makes me suppose that I can just ping 192.168.0.2 |
| 03:02.29 | findlay | but that doesn't work |
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| 03:08.35 | mheath | That document makes no sense to me |
| 03:08.41 | mheath | "This will bring up the link - but as yet you have no routing specified. You can test the link by pinging to and fro to each machine." |
| 03:08.55 | mheath | I read that as Layer 2 is up, but then how would one expect to ping? |
| 03:10.12 | findlay | indeed |
| 03:10.33 | findlay | but so far I haven't found any better documentation |
| 03:10.57 | findlay | maybe they assume that you have some kind of static routing already setup |
| 03:12.04 | mheath | Does ifconfig show anything relevant after you've execuded that command on both machines? |
| 03:12.30 | findlay | no |
| 03:14.55 | shalkie | Sorry I couldn't be more help. :-( |
| 03:23.51 | findlay | well, I'll work on this more tomorrow |
| 03:24.51 | findlay | too bad I don't have a public account with which I may keep persistent IRC sessions |
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| 14:56.21 | Jayce^ | http://sharksplode.com/fighting-time-lords/ |
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| 15:03.15 | RyanE | Do any of you watch Dr. Who Confidential? Is it broadcast here? |
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| 15:03.32 | Jayce^ | I've grabbed a bunch, but haven't watched yet |
| 15:03.43 | Jayce^ | of course, I'm behind on the regular show too |
| 15:03.48 | RyanE | I've watched them, kind of fun to see the behind-the-scenes. |
| 15:04.05 | RyanE | As I've never watched before this season, I'm caught up, and am also watching last season as it comes up on KUED. |
| 15:04.31 | RyanE | Adds to the sense of time confusion a bit... :) |
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| 15:48.18 | goozbach | I'm very grateful, but still crushng |
| 15:48.20 | goozbach | and seeding |
| 15:48.22 | goozbach | as well |
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| 15:54.35 | eightyeight | yay for yum: (1/5): google-chrome- (6%) 28940% [===========] 161 kB/s | 3.6 MB --:-- ETA |
| 15:54.48 | eightyeight | shakes his head |
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| 16:01.00 | sjansen | *cough* yum-plugin-fastestmirror *cough* |
| 16:01.28 | sjansen | Ack. Hair ball. *cough* |
| 16:01.44 | fugue88 | ~whaleslap sjansen on the back |
| 16:01.44 | ibot | ACTION beats sjansen on the back upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 16:02.12 | fugue88 | That was a little more vigorous than needed, ibot. |
| 16:04.33 | sjansen | peels himself off the floor and thanks fugue88 |
| 16:11.55 | eightyeight | speed isn't my gripe |
| 16:12.18 | eightyeight | 28940%? really? |
| 16:12.20 | eightyeight | le sigh |
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| 16:53.13 | levi | RyanE: Last one I saw on KUED was season 3, I think. They kept re-running season 3 and some season 2, I think, so I gave up. Did they ever move on to later ones? |
| 17:06.02 | jalbretsen | RyanE: I watch Doctor Who Confidential. I started doing it regularly with Series 5. |
| 17:07.30 | jalbretsen | I started watching the older Confidential Series, I've almost made it through Series 1. I've been slacking though. |
| 17:15.04 | RyanE | I don't know which season KUED is showing, but it's Matt as the Doctor, so I think that's Series 4??? |
| 17:15.27 | RyanE | is too lazy to Google it. |
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| 17:19.33 | findlay | shalkie, mheath: I've now successfully setup a ppp link between two computers. It shows up as ppp0 under ifconfig |
| 17:20.13 | RyanE | findlay: Welcome to the 1980's! |
| 17:22.26 | findlay | The instructions at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO/direct.html are actually not deceptively simple since most linux systems probably will do it by default. However, the problem I was having last night still persists. I need to have a ppp link to this embedded computer; at least now I know where the problem is |
| 17:24.45 | findlay | RyanE: I need to do ppp over a serial radio link in order to talk to a remote embedded computer. I suppose embedded folk prefer to use serial rather than actually provide you with something easy to use. That would be too easy. Embedded stuff has to be hard |
| 17:28.20 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:28.27 | eightyeight | findlay: welcome back to irc. ã |
| 17:31.01 | RyanE | findlay: Fortunately, our "embedded" stuff is a full Linux stack. I feel for ya. Good luck with it. |
| 17:33.33 | Gate | RyanE: Matt Smith is s5 and s6 |
| 17:33.48 | Gate | 4 was Tenant |
| 17:34.46 | RyanE | Gate: Thx. |
| 17:34.53 | Gate | just realized you were talking about confidential |
| 17:35.15 | RyanE | no, mostly about Who itself. I just started watching it, and I'm watching the Confidentials for S6 with S6. |
| 17:35.32 | RyanE | I liked the ones for the first 2 episodes of S6... Fun to see 'em "local". |
| 17:36.16 | Gate | heh |
| 17:36.35 | Gate | This season is certainly turning into a mind f*** |
| 17:39.03 | RyanE | I have no point of reference for it (other than TorchWood), but I'm liking it. |
| 17:41.05 | findlay | ~irc eightyeight |
| 17:41.05 | ibot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from eightyeight? |
| 17:42.14 | findlay | RyanE: this is a TS-7260, and it's supposed to support ppp, but I'm suspecting some trickery |
| 17:42.20 | Gate | Torchwood was much more dark than Doctor Who. Especially Children of Earth or whatever their last season was. |
| 17:47.14 | RyanE | Yeah, when many of your main characters are slaughtered, I'd consider that "more dark". :) |
| 17:47.44 | Gate | One by one, in horrible, painful and drawn out ways. |
| 17:48.01 | RyanE | Of course, British TV does that quite a bit more than American TV. Spooks (the spy show) killed off 'main characters' a few times. The first time they did it that I saw I just *freaked*. |
| 17:48.18 | RyanE | (Called 'MI5' here in the states). |
| 17:48.26 | RyanE | or MI6, I forget which... |
| 17:48.31 | Gate | never watched it. |
| 17:49.10 | jalbretsen | Torchwood is a show for "adults" written by 12 year olds. Sarah Jane Adventures is a show for 12 year olds written by adults |
| 17:49.25 | Gate | heh |
| 17:49.27 | RyanE | It was pretty good. The funniest thing was when they interfaced with "the CIA". The American agents were so stereotypically american, they might as well have been wearing cowboy boots and carrying a 6-shooter. :) |
| 17:49.50 | jalbretsen | the first season was garbage, the second was slightly better |
| 17:49.59 | jalbretsen | Children of Earth was really good actually |
| 17:50.03 | RyanE | I was talking Spooks. :) |
| 17:50.03 | Gate | RyanE: "We have no need of weapons".... "Welcome to America" <bang> <bang> |
| 17:50.10 | RyanE | Exactly. |
| 17:50.12 | jalbretsen | we'll see what Starz does in July |
| 17:51.03 | RyanE | After finding that Torchwood was somewhat of a spin-off of Dr. Who, and that the new Who was more up-to-date, I thought I should check it out. |
| 17:51.52 | jalbretsen | RyanE: Sarah Jane Adventures is another spinoff, but it's for kids ~12 -ish |
| 17:52.04 | jalbretsen | but I still watch it for the Dr. Who tie-ins |
| 17:52.06 | Gate | yeah, I couldn't stomach it |
| 17:52.06 | RyanE | Hmmm. Never seen that one. |
| 17:52.29 | Gate | Its a former companion of the Doctor's, Sarah Jane Smith. |
| 17:52.39 | Gate | She was with him for years, I think |
| 17:52.58 | jalbretsen | although with the untimely death for Elisabeth Sladen, the show has been pretty much canceled |
| 17:53.05 | jalbretsen | s/for/of/ |
| 17:53.16 | Gate | she died? :( |
| 17:53.19 | jalbretsen | ya |
| 17:53.45 | jalbretsen | didn't you see, the first Series 6 episode of Doctor Who was dedicated to her |
| 17:53.53 | RyanE | so you're saying maybe now isn't the best time to start it? :) |
| 17:54.02 | jalbretsen | naw |
| 17:54.23 | jalbretsen | it has what.... 4 series now I believe |
| 17:54.47 | jalbretsen | googles |
| 17:54.57 | jalbretsen | ya, 4 |
| 17:55.14 | jalbretsen | I read they plan on showing the series 5 episodes she did film |
| 17:55.14 | Gate | She was with the third and fourth doctors. |
| 17:55.33 | jalbretsen | and the 5th once. Technically. Kinda. |
| 17:56.15 | Gate | And the tenth for an episode, and the eleventh (or am I off by one?) |
| 17:56.41 | Gate | yep, off. The 9th and 10th |
| 17:56.41 | jalbretsen | she was in doctor who with the 10th in..... 4 episodes |
| 17:57.06 | jalbretsen | last one was just briefly |
| 17:57.22 | Tene | I really liked Children of Earth; I'm looking forward to Day of Miracles |
| 17:57.32 | Tene | I've been very happy with recent Who |
| 17:57.33 | jalbretsen | 10th doctor was in a few SJA, and the 11th was in a couple as well |
| 17:57.58 | shalkie | :-( |
| 17:57.58 | Gate | didn't know that, I might have to go back and give it a watch |
| 17:58.14 | shalkie | I am tempted to get that proxy going again. |
| 18:00.34 | jalbretsen | I rewatched the 4th episode of this series last night and I liked it better the 2nd time. |
| 18:02.13 | Gate | the "Doctor's wife"? |
| 18:02.16 | Gate | Good episode |
| 18:02.18 | jalbretsen | ya |
| 18:05.01 | fungus | the title made me expect to understand the whole River Song relationship better. Boy was I wrong. |
| 18:05.37 | fungus | though it was really good all the same. |
| 18:08.56 | eightyeight | ibot: boo |
| 18:08.56 | ibot | for heaven's sake, eightyeight, don't do that! |
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| 20:08.51 | mgeary | can anyone here help me compile a fairly simple .c file? I'm on OS X, i have dev tools, but precious little C experience. It's currently complaining about me not having conio.h |
| 20:09.20 | mgeary | hrm. it appears it's windows-only |
| 20:48.17 | eightyeight | ugh |
| 20:48.36 | eightyeight | logs back into openbox |
| 20:54.33 | sshaw | mgeary: what are you trying to compile? |
| 20:54.52 | sshaw | if conio.h is a windows library then you are very unlikely to get it to build on mac |
| 20:55.13 | JoshH | looking at the wiki article, i'd say forget about it completely |
| 20:55.14 | mgeary | yeah, i got some alternative code and it compiles. it's output from a stats program |
| 20:55.42 | mgeary | yeah, that's what i concluded, too, JoshH |
| 20:57.00 | goozbach | ~seen jsmith |
| 20:57.02 | ibot | jsmith <~jsmith@fedora/jsmith> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 6h 32m 3s ago, saying: 'carmony: Why, thank you :-)'. |
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| 21:16.30 | fozzmoo | http://i.imgur.com/IVUom.png |
| 21:17.59 | jsmith | doesn't dare click on fozzmoo's link |
| 21:18.26 | fozzmoo | Go ahead. |
| 21:18.28 | fozzmoo | It's SFW |
| 21:18.32 | fozzmoo | It's funny. |
| 21:20.54 | fugue88 | ~pressure jsmith |
| 21:20.55 | ibot | ACTION tells jsmith that once won't hurt, nobody will know, and everybody's doing it. |
| 21:21.11 | jsmith | OK, it is funny |
| 21:21.28 | fugue88 | succumbs to peer pressure and opens the link |
| 21:22.10 | fugue88 | For as "smart" as that error message is... I dunno. |
| 21:27.20 | Jayce^ | nice |
| 21:30.14 | jnbek|wc | haha |
| 21:31.01 | findlay | levi: do you know anything about ppp over serial? |
| 21:31.49 | findlay | or do you put blueberries in your cereal? |
| 21:32.18 | findlay | ~lart ppp |
| 21:32.18 | ibot | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, ppp!" and lops off ppp's head |
| 21:32.19 | fozzmoo | ppp over serial? Like... the original purpose of ppp? |
| 21:32.24 | findlay | yay |
| 21:32.32 | findlay | fozzmoo: indeed |
| 21:37.27 | findlay | they've installed this U3 thing in the stadium and it makes random band sounds across campus |
| 21:41.56 | levi | findlay: I know a little bit about PPP over serial, but it's been a long time since I actually used it. |
| 21:43.02 | pashdown | i know something about it |
| 21:43.14 | fozzmoo | laughs at the understatement. |
| 21:43.27 | findlay | well, I've only got this little problem |
| 21:43.32 | fozzmoo | findlay, pashdown dreams in ppp |
| 21:43.38 | pashdown | nightmares actually |
| 21:43.38 | findlay | literally |
| 21:43.49 | pashdown | trumpet winsock noooooooo |
| 21:43.56 | findlay | haha |
| 21:44.47 | levi | Hah, pashdown will know way better than I will. |
| 21:45.01 | pashdown | the pressure is on |
| 21:46.10 | findlay | well, it's all in the name of science, or cosmic rays, whatever that is |
| 21:46.14 | findlay | pastebins |
| 21:53.03 | findlay | https://gist.github.com/989823 |
| 21:55.04 | findlay | basically the SBC does nothing once it's configured while the laptop pings 10 times and gives up |
| 22:00.22 | levi | If you just run a terminal on both sides do you see serial data going between them? |
| 22:01.25 | levi | It sure looks like the SBC doesn't get any data over the serial line. |
| 22:01.35 | findlay | levi: yeah |
| 22:01.53 | findlay | except I don't know what you mean by 'run a terminal on both sides' |
| 22:02.11 | levi | Well, something like minicom or kermit or whatever. |
| 22:02.41 | findlay | if I setup a getty on /dev/ttyAM1 on the SBC, I can login over minicom just fine |
| 22:03.10 | levi | How do you configure minicom? And which serial lines do you have connected between the boards? |
| 22:03.34 | findlay | it seems that pppd on the laptop is getting data from the SBC but not the other way around |
| 22:03.59 | levi | Why do you say that? |
| 22:04.42 | levi | You've specified to use hardware flow control. Do you have the lines for that hooked up? |
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| 22:05.08 | findlay | minicom conf: https://gist.github.com/989823 |
| 22:05.19 | findlay | (at the bottom) |
| 22:05.38 | levi | You have hardware flow control disabled in minicom. |
| 22:07.23 | findlay | success |
| 22:07.25 | findlay | that was it |
| 22:07.35 | levi | What did you do? |
| 22:07.52 | findlay | I went from 'modem' to 'local' and from 'crtscts' to 'nocrtscts' |
| 22:08.11 | levi | Ah, I thought that was probably the issue. |
| 22:08.21 | findlay | I did that on both ends, that is |
| 22:08.31 | levi | Although you could run into issues without flow control at 115200bps. |
| 22:09.00 | findlay | why? |
| 22:09.22 | levi | The UARTS only have so much buffer space. |
| 22:10.24 | findlay | well, I'd like to have it |
| 22:10.30 | levi | Without flow control, an endpoint that has its buffer get full has no way of telling the other end to stop transmitting, and it will lose data. |
| 22:11.06 | levi | TCP can deal with that, but you'll probably lose performance. |
| 22:11.25 | findlay | ok |
| 22:11.32 | levi | You can have flow control if you can hook up all the serial lines properly. |
| 22:12.49 | findlay | but RS-232 doesn't have to provide flow control? |
| 22:13.04 | levi | Not if you don't hook up those lines. |
| 22:14.46 | findlay | all I did was plug all the cables together |
| 22:15.16 | levi | Time to break out the schematics, then. |
| 22:16.52 | findlay | but TCP will guarantee data integrity anyway? |
| 22:17.02 | findlay | is software flow control a bad way to go? |
| 22:17.32 | levi | I don't really know how it will all work out for you. Give it a try and find out. |
| 22:17.46 | findlay | thus supplicates the oracle of levi |
| 22:17.52 | findlay | great |
| 22:17.57 | findlay | thanks for the help |
| 22:18.19 | findlay | otherwise I might have wasted several more hours on ths |
| 22:18.25 | findlay | ~s/ths/this/ |
| 22:20.48 | levi | No problem. |
| 22:21.56 | pashdown | sorry, had to step away |
| 22:30.01 | findlay | pashdown: no problem |
| 22:30.44 | findlay | levi: this will eventually become a 5 km radio link, so I'm sure that I'll have great experience testing and knowing different configurations by then |
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