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| 04:24.34 | KevinRandolph | Whatever happened to PLUG? Their web page shows the last meeting was in Feb. |
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| 06:32.23 | levi | KevinRandolph: Life happened to PLUG, I suspect. There may have been meetings since then and the web page just didn't get updated, I don't know. But mostly PLUG activity has been on the mailing list. |
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| 15:24.53 | sjansen | Wow, 10% of all networks running BGP are running IPv6. |
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| 16:11.45 | eightyeight | has ipv6 although his dnsv6 isn't working, apprantely |
| 16:13.30 | JoshH | what dns servers? |
| 16:13.56 | eightyeight | my own |
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| 16:36.17 | goozbach | sadly the atl datacenter housing linode servers does not yet have ipv6 :( |
| 16:37.52 | JoshH | eightyeight: so you're just trying to get your dns servers supporting 6, or v6 transport to them, or what? |
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| 16:39.41 | eightyeight | JoshH: at this point, just doing forward and reverse v6 lookups. i'm unsure of anything beyond that point that will need to be done |
| 16:39.51 | eightyeight | i haven't gotten around to it yet |
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| 19:30.03 | sjansen | My understanding has always been that "done in tandem" means "at the same time" or "concurrent" not "one after the other". |
| 19:30.12 | sjansen | Can anyone make a good argument that I'm wrong? |
| 19:31.03 | sjansen | (It's bad enough that I'm studying a SOAP interface. Incorrect use of English make me even grumpier.) |
| 19:31.42 | sjansen | (And in the context of a SOAP interface, the distinction seems pretty important.) |
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| 19:38.40 | Jayce^ | sjansen: well, tandem could actually mean two things working on the same task at once, not different tasks at the same time |
| 19:38.52 | Jayce^ | tandem axels, for example |
| 19:39.09 | Jayce^ | horse/oxen in tandem |
| 19:40.13 | sjansen | Jayce^: You're giving a justification for the misuse. "tandem bike, one person always behind the other" |
| 19:40.50 | sjansen | I did a cursory search and I could find justification for my interpretation but not theirs. Can you cite a counter argument? |
| 19:41.02 | levi | Did you check the dictionary? |
| 19:41.25 | sjansen | levi: Yes, but maybe not the right dictionary. |
| 19:42.12 | levi | Tandem refers to a physical arrangement of a team, and that arrangement is single-file. |
| 19:43.19 | levi | Generally the team works towards the same goal at the same time, though. |
| 19:43.28 | sjansen | That's the word "tandem" not the phrase "done in tandem". |
| 19:44.05 | levi | So? |
| 19:45.13 | sjansen | Most definitions are vague, neither justifying nor refuting either interpretation of "in tandem". |
| 19:45.48 | sjansen | In comparison: http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/in+tandem |
| 19:45.51 | levi | I think the semantic content you're trying to get out of it isn't precisely defined anyway. |
| 19:46.24 | sjansen | http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/in+tandem.html |
| 19:46.29 | levi | I agree with you that the usage example with the SOAP thing is confusing. |
| 19:49.00 | Jayce^ | tandem never would make me think 'sequetial' |
| 19:49.49 | levi | Probably because we don't talk about horse-drawn carriages much anymore. :) |
| 19:51.34 | levi | But that's why a tandem bicycle is called a tandem. The two riders are hooked together in a single-file arrangement. If they were hooked together side-by-side, it wouldn't be a tandem arrangement. |
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| 19:55.27 | levi | For an example of something called tandem where the operations are sequential, see tandem-charge explosive weapons. |
| 19:57.44 | levi | So, I believe both senses of 'in tandem' are justifiable, but the one you're trying to refute is defintely less common in usage today. |
| 20:06.56 | sjansen | Oh well, it's already in the past. |
| 20:07.37 | sjansen | On the next page I discovered three paragraphs that boiled down to "Our API isn't transaction and we have race conditions. Instead of addressing the problem, we're documenting it." |
| 20:28.41 | levi | Oh, nice. |
| 20:40.12 | neybar | well, now that they've documented that their API sucks you can't complain to them about it right?... |
| 20:41.33 | Jayce^ | first rule of API's, they suck? |
| 20:47.12 | levi | No kidding. |
| 20:47.18 | levi | Writing APIs is hard. |
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| 21:49.36 | levi | sjansen: Nice. :) |
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| 22:31.23 | fadein | fun webpage with visualizations of many sorting algorithms: http://cg.scs.carleton.ca/~morin/misc/sortalg/ |
| 22:55.34 | eightyeight | fadein: while it doesn't have all the algos your link does, this is fun to watch as well: http://www.sorting-algorithms.com/ |
| 23:08.07 | fadein | eightyeight: that's cool. I like how they compare performance over different types of input |