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| 01:02.47 | bonez2046 | I have two identical sata drives, each is 250 gb.. both are bootable. I run off one and other has data on it I want to merge over to my main drive. How can I check to see which files are dupes, and then merge the data onto one drive so that the other drive can be for network storage and backup? |
| 01:16.47 | bonez2046 | is rsync the tool to use or something else? |
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| 19:57.37 | Jayce^ | jsmith: http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2011/05/2018-is-the-year-of-perl-510.html |
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| 20:09.11 | sjansen | *yawn* Oh, look, another whining complaint from chromatic. |
| 20:10.06 | sjansen | Nobody's holding a gun to his head forcing him to support an old enterprise release. |
| 20:10.39 | sjansen | Now there's probably a number of people offer to pay him to support an old enterprise release, but that hardly seems like something to whine about. |
| 20:18.29 | eightyeight | ? |
| 20:18.38 | eightyeight | who is chromatic? |
| 20:18.42 | eightyeight | centos dev? |
| 20:20.16 | eightyeight | ah. the perl post |
| 20:20.24 | sjansen | Perl developer whining about RHEL 5.6 shipping an ancient version of Perl. |
| 20:20.41 | Heartsbane | eightyeight: you should have recognized the trap. If you don't ask you have to get involved |
| 20:21.32 | eightyeight | Heartsbane: meh. i'm bored on a conference call |
| 20:22.46 | Jayce^ | eightyeight: he's a big perl dev, basically, talking about how painful it is to release cpan modules becuase RHEL is so old in their support |
| 20:23.33 | Heartsbane | Conference calls ,,, or natures business laxative |
| 20:25.54 | sjansen | Jayce^: So stop supporting RHEL5. |
| 20:26.04 | sjansen | RHEL6 has been out for > 6 months. |
| 20:27.16 | sjansen | Whining about the way enterprise distros work just makes developers look silly. |
| 20:27.50 | Jayce^ | sure, don't listen to customers.. no point in that |
| 20:27.52 | goozbach | sjansen: but they're so SLOOOW AND OLD!!!! |
| 20:28.26 | sjansen | Jayce^: Like I said, either (a) someone is paying him to do it in which case he has no ground to stand on or (b) he's doing it to be nice in which case he should just shut up. |
| 20:28.31 | jsmith | goozbach: Some customers really like SLOOW *and* OLD, and pay good money for it |
| 20:28.38 | jsmith | goozbach: But you know that :-) |
| 20:28.57 | Jayce^ | sjansen: or work to change things |
| 20:29.04 | sjansen | Things aren't going to change. |
| 20:29.34 | sjansen | I can understand working to get customers to accept multiple Perl installs. |
| 20:29.53 | Jayce^ | I had to make a similar change recently because one of my modules used a 5.10 feature, but then failed test for 5.8 and one person :( |
| 20:29.55 | Jayce^ | pita |
| 20:30.00 | sjansen | But whining about the fact that an enterprise distro doesn't like to yank the carpet out under users just makes him look stupid. |
| 20:30.45 | Jayce^ | and this is why so many people still see stupid perl4 code around |
| 20:45.14 | Heartsbane | so when this generation retires ... we won't be using anymore PERL right? |
| 20:45.30 | Gate | And Ruby will finally win |
| 20:45.30 | macnewbold | heavens no |
| 20:45.40 | macnewbold | perl is great security - write-only code |
| 20:47.02 | neybar | bah... you can write crappy unmaintainable code any any language. |
| 20:47.50 | Heartsbane | :) |
| 20:47.56 | Jayce^ | macnewbold: says the php guy :) |
| 20:48.17 | Heartsbane | Python 4EVER!!! |
| 20:48.33 | jsmith | Gate: I doubt it :-p |
| 20:48.50 | Jayce^ | wait Heartsbane weren't you just professing your love for C# the other day :-p |
| 20:48.51 | Gate | give us time. |
| 20:49.15 | Jayce^ | Gate: isn't that what every ruby script says when trying to run? Just give me more time... |
| 20:49.19 | Heartsbane | ya... I like a lot of the stuff that seems to come out of the mono space |
| 20:49.33 | Jayce^ | like the job-losses :-p |
| 20:49.39 | Jayce^ | pokes mecworks |
| 20:49.42 | Heartsbane | :) |
| 20:56.20 | Gate | Jayce^: yeah, thats built into the interpreter ;) |
| 20:56.43 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 21:00.31 | fozzmoo | FWIW: We're supporting a system-perl (what comes with CentOS 5) and our own Perl environment, also installed via RPMs. |
| 21:00.39 | fozzmoo | That way, we have 5.8 and 5.10 on the system. |
| 21:01.02 | fozzmoo | It's a pain, but it works and 5.10 is significantly speedier. |
| 21:01.31 | fozzmoo | goes crosseyed looking at jQuery code. |
| 21:01.47 | Jayce^ | we're stuck at $DAYJOB with 5.8 because cpanel uses it because RHEL uses it :( |
| 21:01.58 | Jayce^ | so double hell |
| 21:02.43 | fozzmoo | $DAYJOB should move away from cpanel. it sucks. |
| 21:03.29 | Jayce^ | heh, don't I wish |
| 21:03.40 | Jayce^ | pokes jnbek the cpanel lover |
| 21:06.16 | fozzmoo | Google's use of this particular countdown widget is... interesting... http://www.google.com/events/io/2011/index.html |
| 21:06.49 | fozzmoo | I, for one, am glad it's not more widespread (yet). |
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| 21:10.34 | neybar | someone had fun developing that clock... |
| 21:17.51 | RyanE | Countdown clock reminds me of 'xballs', an X app that I was playing with at a client site... Click, you get a new ball... resize screen, you can make the balls move really fast. I was messing with it for about 2 minutes when the admin called, and asked why this 'xballs' app I was running was taking 99% CPU on their HPUX 9 box... Busted... |
| 21:35.37 | Gate | one of my classes in college building a bouncing balls application was one of the assignments |
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| 23:21.50 | elg | jsmith-away: do you have power to draw and quarter whoever is responsible for the redhat/fedora netcat? |
| 23:22.36 | elg | anyone have the latest fedora and want to try something for me? |
| 23:23.51 | sjansen | elg: F14 recent enough for you? |
| 23:24.07 | fozzmoo | Dang. I was going to make him swear an oath to Sarah Palin or something and then I'd do it. |
| 23:25.05 | elg | sjansen, A: nc -l 11201 |
| 23:25.13 | elg | B: echo foo | nc 11201 |
| 23:25.28 | elg | does B exit immediately or wait for A to close the connection? |
| 23:25.47 | sjansen | usage: nc ... |
| 23:25.54 | elg | er, nc localhost 11201 |
| 23:27.03 | sjansen | Both terminate too quickly to tell. |
| 23:27.26 | elg | borked |
| 23:27.52 | elg | i wish I knew who broke this elegant tool and inflicted it upon the world. |
| 23:28.17 | elg | if you read the README in /usr/share/doc/nc-*/README you will come across this very deliberate and meaningful quote from the old hobbit |
| 23:28.50 | elg | You may be asking "why not just use telnet to connect to arbitrary ports?" |
| 23:28.51 | elg | Valid question, and here are some reasons. Telnet has the "standard input |
| 23:28.52 | elg | EOF" problem, so one must introduce calculated delays in driving scripts to |
| 23:28.53 | elg | allow network output to finish. This is the main reason netcat stays running |
| 23:28.54 | elg | until the *network* side closes. |
| 23:29.45 | sjansen | Ubuntu also terminate too quickly to tell what's happening, so I don't know what you're hoping for. |
| 23:31.08 | sjansen | They also behave the same way for the following: |
| 23:31.11 | sjansen | (echo foo ; sleep 5 ; echo bar) | nc localhost 11201 |
| 23:32.07 | elg | does it then? i'll have to figure out which version that is |
| 23:32.21 | elg | i tried on debian, the openbsd and traditional packages both behave as they should. |
| 23:32.29 | elg | the one on osx is broken. |
| 23:35.00 | sjansen | I'm mystified why you think a client should continue running after receiving and EOF. |
| 23:35.18 | elg | did you not read that quote? |
| 23:35.21 | elg | try this: |
| 23:35.35 | elg | echo "some valid HTTP request" | nc $favorite_webserver 80 |
| 23:35.53 | elg | http://serverfault.com/questions/100808/netcat-command-line-issues |
| 23:36.37 | sjansen | echo "GET http://www.gurulabs.com/ HTTP/1.0" | nc gurulabs.com 80 # Worked fine |
| 23:37.11 | elg | it's a race condition |
| 23:37.23 | elg | that just means your webserver beat bash to the finish line. |
| 23:38.17 | sjansen | Okay, so what did your original command have to do with anything? |
| 23:38.49 | elg | echo stats | nc localhost $port is something we run all the time, or would if we didn't have to insert that stupid sleep in |
| 23:39.17 | sjansen | You've seen the -q option? |
| 23:39.33 | elg | doesn't exist on this netcat. |
| 23:39.38 | elg | does it on fc15? |
| 23:40.23 | sjansen | Oops, wrong terminal. |
| 23:40.47 | sjansen | *shrug* |
| 23:41.04 | sjansen | So package the version you like. |
| 23:41.20 | sjansen | Works for Solaris. ;-) |
| 23:41.23 | elg | this is why debian is better. rh people shrug and debian people fix. |
| 23:41.39 | sjansen | Have you filled a bug report? |
| 23:44.17 | elg | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netcat-openbsd/+bug/544935 |
| 23:44.49 | elg | i'm still investigating whether my input is needed. my guess is people like soren have already reported it to the sort of people who should have fixed this years ago |
| 23:45.02 | elg | and they sat on it. but if I see a chance to send a patch I will. |
| 23:45.53 | sjansen | Uhm... what does that has to do with RHEL or Fedora. |
| 23:46.53 | elg | nothing, except that they are shipping a broken netcat. |
| 23:46.59 | elg | and have been for years. |
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| 23:48.21 | elg | ubuntu seems to have broken it all by themselves in a spectacularly awful way |
| 23:52.34 | sjansen | Occam's razor would lead one to instead suspect that Ubunt and Fedora are shipping upstream without a fix, whereas Debian has a patch that hasn't made it upstream. |
| 23:52.47 | elg | indeed |
| 23:52.59 | elg | that is my theory as well |
| 23:53.18 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.18 | sjansen | - update from OpenBSD upstream CVS |
| 23:53.18 | sjansen | - fix pollhup patch so it reads everything before shutdown |
| 23:53.46 | sjansen | That's from the Fedora spec file. |
| 23:53.57 | elg | hmm, my centos version is 1.82 |
| 23:54.00 | elg | er, 1.84 |
| 23:54.49 | sjansen | That's the only patch that had anything to do with stdin or termination as far as I could tell. |
| 23:55.10 | sjansen | So it seems like the blame belongs with upstream and possible Debian if they didn't try to upstream. |
| 23:55.23 | elg | nod |