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| 05:17.38 | stderr- | Jayce^: nice, thinking about going |
| 05:17.54 | stderr- | just fixed a horrible leak in my new marker straight out of factory 9_9 |
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| 07:06.13 | HelloSir | anyone in salt lake city area? |
| 07:06.22 | RyanE | most of us. |
| 07:06.26 | RyanE | to some extent or other |
| 07:06.32 | HelloSir | :) |
| 07:06.58 | HelloSir | how come no one was talking in the main |
| 07:07.02 | HelloSir | and still u replied instantly :D |
| 07:07.09 | HelloSir | guess you are the only one alive here |
| 07:07.27 | RyanE | probably not, but I just reconnected, been re-wiring my basement rack, had to log things back in. |
| 07:07.43 | RyanE | Sadly, all my servers now have uptime < 1 hour. :( |
| 07:08.25 | HelloSir | hmph |
| 07:08.34 | HelloSir | so whats up guyz... WAKE UP! |
| 07:08.37 | RyanE | It *is* 1AM. |
| 07:09.00 | HelloSir | yea but they are all online |
| 07:09.26 | RyanE | Most of us use irssi, which keeps us logged in all the time, and then we can 'catch up' and see if friends / etc. have said anything while we slept. |
| 07:09.45 | RyanE | Many of us also use screen, so we can login to that irssi session from other locations (like work) |
| 07:09.59 | RyanE | makes it a bit more 'connected' than irc usually is. |
| 07:11.23 | HelloSir | i just googled what irssi is and I wonder if everyone is using irssi and its that famous how come i never heard of that |
| 07:11.36 | RyanE | Maybe you're not a Linux / command-line guy. |
| 07:11.48 | HelloSir | true.. i am not |
| 07:12.14 | RyanE | Many here are Linux guys, and/or members of PLUG (Provo Linux Users Group) or SLLUG (Salt Lake ...) |
| 07:12.43 | RyanE | Where, pray tell are you located? |
| 07:12.53 | HelloSir | oh okie... got it.. i thought its the general chat room |
| 07:13.08 | RyanE | It is, during the day. Or, it can be... |
| 07:13.37 | HelloSir | i am in murray and u? |
| 07:13.42 | RyanE | Highland |
| 07:14.53 | HelloSir | do u play computer games? |
| 07:15.16 | RyanE | Not too much. I have quite a few friends who are FPS and/or MMORPG gamers, but I mainly play board games. |
| 07:15.21 | RyanE | when I play games. |
| 07:16.02 | RyanE | I have a group of 5-7 friends with whom I have played board games once a month for 15+ years. |
| 07:16.16 | HelloSir | like real board games or still on computer :) |
| 07:16.17 | HelloSir | woww |
| 07:16.29 | RyanE | strategy board games, not on the computer, at someone's house. |
| 07:16.46 | HelloSir | how old are you 15+x? |
| 07:16.47 | RyanE | We used to all work together, our first job out of college for most of us. |
| 07:17.22 | RyanE | Too old. :) I graduated from HS in 1985, so you figure it out. |
| 07:17.54 | HelloSir | 41? |
| 07:18.01 | RyanE | Close. 43. |
| 07:18.03 | RyanE | and you? |
| 07:18.17 | HelloSir | 33 |
| 07:18.27 | RyanE | Star Wars baby. :) |
| 07:19.24 | HelloSir | so what do u do? |
| 07:19.28 | RyanE | there's a pretty wide age range of people here, when they're here. I'm probably near the top. |
| 07:19.49 | RyanE | Software Engineer ("Member of Technical Staff" is my title). |
| 07:19.56 | RyanE | and you? |
| 07:20.06 | HelloSir | great... |
| 07:20.15 | HelloSir | just moved to the States, struggling |
| 07:20.28 | RyanE | from where? |
| 07:20.35 | HelloSir | from Pakistan |
| 07:21.11 | RyanE | Not too many Pakistanis here in Utah, or in #utah. Welcome. |
| 07:21.36 | HelloSir | day trading and desperately looking for a business to start |
| 07:21.56 | RyanE | Well, good luck to you. |
| 07:22.08 | HelloSir | thnaks.. yea i know not too many pakistanis here.. its a beautiful place though |
| 07:22.16 | RyanE | Nice talking to you, but I've got to either head back down to the basement to finish the job, and/or head up to bed. |
| 07:22.25 | RyanE | G'night. |
| 07:22.47 | HelloSir | don't think its the right place for business though but family lives here and heard thats its the best place to raise family |
| 07:22.57 | HelloSir | G'night |
| 07:23.02 | HelloSir | nice talking to you ryan |
| 07:23.07 | RyanE | thanks. Later. |
| 07:23.08 | HelloSir | take care, bye |
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| 17:39.14 | zarbula | bummer that HelloSir guy isn't around. Two of my friends at work are from Pakistan. |
| 17:55.20 | jsmith | Too quiet in here... must start some controversy... |
| 17:55.40 | jsmith | Oh, sjansen isn't around... that explains a lot :-p |
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| 17:58.14 | goozbach | http://bit.ly/gWvUi5 |
| 17:59.39 | RyanE | An estimated 400 tons of large, angular rocks are on hand to be placed in streams as part of flood control efforts. |
| 17:59.49 | RyanE | My new favorite sentence. :) |
| 18:00.19 | goozbach | where is this RyanE |
| 18:00.19 | RyanE | Not just 400 tons of rocks. Not just large rocks. Large, angular rocks. Schweet. |
| 18:00.35 | RyanE | http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705370534/Storm-tonight-will-bring-snow-possible-urban-floods.html |
| 18:03.14 | tvc123 | is still confused at how large angular rocks == flood protection |
| 18:03.31 | RyanE | Yeah, dumping 400 tons of large, angular rocks into a stream just *delays* the problem. |
| 18:03.42 | goozbach | tvc123: the largeness makes them hard to move |
| 18:03.52 | RyanE | I would think the angularity would also factor in. |
| 18:03.56 | goozbach | the angularness makes the water go elsewhere |
| 18:04.07 | goozbach | if it's elsewhere, it's not flooding |
| 18:04.09 | goozbach | :) |
| 18:04.10 | RyanE | as in... out of the stream banks? |
| 18:04.13 | tvc123 | but wouldn't that also raise water level? |
| 18:04.28 | RyanE | As soon as it's out of the stream banks, you have what we technically call "a new stream". |
| 18:04.56 | goozbach | what part of "elsewhere" don't you understand :) |
| 18:05.27 | RyanE | Yeah, it's a fundamental misunderstanding, probably due to the fact that I went to sleep at 3AM last night. :) |
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| 18:22.25 | goozbach | there is an advanced computing lab at the university of hawaii... |
| 18:22.30 | goozbach | wants to work there |
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| 18:44.20 | goozbach | just discovered a problem with setting up sudo to use the fingerprint reader on my laptop |
| 18:44.36 | goozbach | it's hard to swipe your finger from 15miles away |
| 18:44.53 | goozbach | luckily it has a timeout |
| 18:44.56 | goozbach | but it's annoying |
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| 19:13.31 | zarbula | That's awesome. |
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| 19:36.12 | sjansen | Man, I love F/OSS. |
| 19:36.58 | goozbach | sjansen: you have to defend an inflamitory statement such as that! |
| 19:37.28 | sjansen | Gotta love a system where the thought process is "we could add a 3 item preference window or we could make users suffer for the next five years until we find an alternative". |
| 19:37.44 | sjansen | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316962 |
| 19:43.05 | fungus | sjansen, that's your problem. Your preferences should match those of the developer. Resistance is futile. |
| 19:43.53 | goozbach | sjansen: didn't you submit a patch? |
| 19:43.54 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:45.00 | sjansen | No. That was ticket was my nicest interaction with the devs. If you care to search, you can find other places where they made it sufficiently clear that no patch would be accepted. |
| 19:45.51 | sjansen | In fact, older versions of evince did have a simple preference window. It was removed. |
| 19:46.12 | fungus | exactly. Shame on you for being different. Go use KDE if you want to be different. |
| 19:47.04 | sjansen | I toyed with the idea of maintaining a fork, but the idea was just so tedious and futile... |
| 19:48.59 | sjansen | fugue88: I would point out that even with its broken design, evince was still better than the alternatives. |
| 19:48.59 | fugue88 | GNOME is for statists, KDE is for libertarians. |
| 19:49.14 | fugue88 | sjansen: You probably meant that for fungus. |
| 19:49.53 | sjansen | Yeah, fungus is such a deep blue I can barely read his name. |
| 19:50.19 | sjansen | fugue88: You, on the other hand, are a pleasant green. Sorry for the mixup. |
| 19:50.25 | sjansen | ~repaint fungus |
| 19:51.06 | fugue88 | sjansen: Screenshot? |
| 19:51.12 | sjansen | KDE is of Windows refuges. GNOME is for Mac OS refuges. |
| 19:51.23 | fugue88 | Windows refuges? Hah! |
| 19:51.31 | fugue88 | Well, okay, maybe. |
| 19:51.43 | fungus | but your request for preferences shows that you have preferences other than the default. That is wrong. You shall not have preferences other than the developers, so sayeth the Gnome. |
| 19:52.29 | Jayce^ | really does sound like mac os defaults.. :) |
| 19:52.35 | sjansen | fungus: I see your bid and raise you gconf-editor. |
| 19:52.57 | fungus | Shh, you aren't supposed to talk about that. It's a secret. |
| 19:58.54 | Jayce^ | http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/north/lindon/article_3fc90fca-6602-11e0-b550-001cc4c002e0.html |
| 19:59.01 | Jayce^ | "Las Vegas company buys Unix operating system firm" |
| 19:59.10 | jsmith | sjansen: It's called "gsettings" now :-p |
| 19:59.55 | Jayce^ | jsmith: or in my case.. "where-the-F-do-i-make-this-usable" |
| 20:00.16 | Jayce^ | "UnXis chief executive Richard Bolandz says the company will focus on improving the Unix operating system." |
| 20:00.26 | jalbretsen | sjansen: I use GNOME and have never used Mac OS, how do I fit in? |
| 20:02.31 | fozzmoo | I used to like GNOME. |
| 20:02.56 | fozzmoo | I bailed when Metacity and Nautilus hit the scene and my hardware couldn't handle it. |
| 20:03.33 | fozzmoo | Then all the beloved preferences disappeared. |
| 20:03.52 | fozzmoo | I did AfterStep for a while. Then landed on KDE2. |
| 20:04.32 | goozbach | I use ratpoison |
| 20:04.42 | goozbach | when I'm not using rio(plan9) |
| 20:04.43 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:04.55 | goozbach | I have to be snooty |
| 20:05.45 | Jayce^ | enlightenment :) |
| 20:05.49 | fozzmoo | You use ratpoison just so you can say "I use ratpoison." |
| 20:06.03 | fozzmoo | Tene is a big enlightenment fan. |
| 20:06.19 | Jayce^ | was, keep thinking of going back.. |
| 20:06.30 | Jayce^ | trying the newer code |
| 20:06.41 | goozbach | fozzmoo: yup |
| 20:06.45 | goozbach | and it's scriptable |
| 20:08.52 | fozzmoo | I'd like to find a nice lightweight environment for my Netbook. |
| 20:09.20 | Jayce^ | ion? :-D |
| 20:09.50 | fozzmoo | I tried lxde (Fedora) and it's nice and fast, but difficult to configure and none of the power management features were available. My LCD was full-on bright and nothing I did would change it. |
| 20:09.55 | fozzmoo | ion? |
| 20:10.03 | goozbach | fozzmoo: try wm/wm |
| 20:10.09 | goozbach | runs just fine under linux |
| 20:10.23 | fozzmoo | WindowMaker? |
| 20:10.29 | goozbach | not exactly |
| 20:10.31 | fozzmoo | Or what is wm/wm? |
| 20:10.34 | fozzmoo | Got a linkie? |
| 20:10.40 | goozbach | it's the window manager for Inferno |
| 20:10.43 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:11.16 | fozzmoo | Forgive me. What is inferno? |
| 20:11.30 | goozbach | the sucessor to plan9 |
| 20:11.33 | fozzmoo | Oh. RIght. |
| 20:11.36 | goozbach | it's even *MORE* hardcore |
| 20:11.44 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 20:12.14 | Jayce^ | great, you start mentioning hardcore... now harleypig might have to escalate :-p |
| 20:12.33 | fozzmoo | I guess Coraid has it's fair share of plan9/Inferno enthusiasts. |
| 20:12.38 | fozzmoo | s/it's/its/ |
| 20:13.55 | fozzmoo | When I first got a coraid enclosure, I had to upgrade the firmware so it would support the WD 1TB drives I put in it... I had to dabble just a bit with plan9. Very minimalistic- more so than Unix, I thought. |
| 20:14.05 | goozbach | fozzmoo: that's the idea |
| 20:14.22 | goozbach | refactor mercylessly |
| 20:14.26 | goozbach | is the motto |
| 20:15.46 | goozbach | http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RefactorMercilessly |
| 20:17.51 | sjansen | jalbretsen: You're a ticking time bomb, deeply scared by the psychological dissonance of your years using the Pink Distro. |
| 20:18.28 | goozbach | pink distro? |
| 20:23.28 | jalbretsen | I used KDE in the Pink Distro |
| 20:27.32 | eightyeight | i haven't found a reason to move away from openbox |
| 20:28.19 | eightyeight | uses the gtk widgets, etc, so it's not distracting, has solid configuration, light on resources, and Just Works |
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| 20:46.52 | Tene | fozzmoo: e17 is very lightweight |
| 20:47.01 | Tene | Jayce^: you should check it out; there's a lot of nice stuff there |
| 20:47.39 | tharmor | blist |
| 20:47.57 | goozbach | meh, all you need is a shell and tmux |
| 20:48.00 | goozbach | or screen |
| 20:48.21 | fugue88 | Yep, console is the lightest of them all. |
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| 21:33.37 | jsmith | Whew... Fedora 15 Beta declared gold without another schedule slip... |
| 21:35.17 | goozbach | nah! it can't be |
| 21:37.51 | fozzmoo | Yay. Now we can start complaining about how long it's taking for the final release to come out. |
| 21:38.00 | fozzmoo | Is F15 out yet?! |
| 21:38.03 | fozzmoo | Sheeesh. |
| 21:40.37 | jsmith | fozzmoo: No kidding... |
| 21:41.40 | eightyeight | don't they usually target the release dates for may 1? |
| 21:53.11 | sjansen | eightyeight: Kinda. In truth, Fedora targets May 15th, but if someone in an official position went crazy and actually admitted it, Fedora would end up slipping to May 29th at the earliest. |
| 21:53.43 | sjansen | jsmith: Isn't that right. ;-) |
| 21:54.05 | jsmith | sjansen: Exactly! |
| 21:55.01 | jsmith | sjansen: That's my story, and I'm sticking to it... Except that the original target date was May 10, and the current target date is May 24. |
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| 22:06.18 | fozzmoo | I'm pissed F15 isn't out already. |
| 22:06.20 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
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| 22:43.02 | sjansen | ~lart jalbretsen |
| 22:43.02 | ibot | installs PocketPC on jalbretsen's PDA |
| 22:43.04 | jsmith | fozzmoo: And I'm pissed that you're not helping out more :-p |
| 22:43.30 | sjansen | ibot: lame, jalbretsen probably doesn't even remember where his PDA is anymore |
| 22:43.30 | ibot | sjansen: what are you talking about? |
| 22:43.48 | sjansen | ibot: You know what I'm talking about. Don't play dumb with me. |
| 22:44.08 | sjansen | Oh, sure, silent treatment. |
| 22:44.14 | sjansen | Real mature, ibot, real mature. |
| 22:45.03 | jsmith | ~zap ibot |
| 22:45.03 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives ibot a good jolt. |
| 22:46.24 | jalbretsen | Public Display of Affection? |
| 22:46.54 | goozbach | it's the zarus, no? |
| 22:52.32 | tristanrhodes | just learned about the Cherokee webserver. Faster than even lighttpd, and includes a management GUI. http://www.cherokee-project.com |
| 22:55.27 | tvc123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.36 | tvc123 | stinking space |
| 22:57.49 | JoshH | a client option to ignore spaces before slash commands would be a nice thing to have |
| 23:03.38 | sjansen | tristanrhodes: I rand cherokee for about a year on my personal server. |
| 23:04.19 | elg | sjansen: does rpm run any init scripts on installation? |
| 23:05.51 | tristanrhodes | sjansen, what is your opinion of Cherokee? |
| 23:06.14 | sjansen | Cherokee has really good marketing. Reality is more complex. |
| 23:06.30 | sjansen | It is not a good general purpose Web server in my opinion. |
| 23:06.55 | sjansen | The Web-based management interface suffers from GUI straight jacket syndrome. |
| 23:07.42 | sjansen | They actively discourage editting the config by hand. I followed that advice, but Cherokee still corrupted its own config during a minor upgrade. |
| 23:09.21 | sjansen | I finally quit because I got tired of getting mysterious errors when using http instead of https. With apache, it's trivial to redirect http to the same https URLs. |
| 23:10.15 | sjansen | In the right application, I'm sure Cherokee rocks. For example, it's video streaming support supposedly rocks. |
| 23:10.31 | sjansen | But I was trying to use Cherokee as a general purpose server, and it just doesn't shine there. |
| 23:11.15 | sjansen | elg: I'm not sure what you mean. Are you talking about scripts in /etc/init.d? Or post-install scripts? |
| 23:11.36 | elg | i found the problem, it was ordering of %preun after %post |
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