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| 21:54.47 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | minecraft multiplayer: plug.org | Santos Dumont was a pansy! |
| 21:55.26 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | minecraft multiplayer: plug.org | Santos Dumont was a pansy! Choose the right with the Wrights! |
| 21:59.48 | sjansen | Less than 24 hours until the GNOME 3 release! |
| 22:00.10 | sjansen | pees his pants in excitement |
| 22:02.50 | JoshH | how will you get it in distros? |
| 22:03.55 | fugue88 | Distros. Distros. The Distros cloud your thinking. You must be one with the source. |
| 22:04.17 | JoshH | i compiled gnome a long time ago, it was easy following the instructions, but took forever |
| 22:04.34 | JoshH | can't remember why i did it |
| 22:04.48 | JoshH | maybe the'll release some packages |
| 22:05.05 | eightyeight | meh. distros. how i despise the word |
| 22:05.47 | JoshH | it's better than "flavor" |
| 22:06.08 | sjansen | blog blog blog blog blog |
| 22:06.21 | fugue88 | heh |
| 22:06.50 | eightyeight | worse than "operating system" |
| 22:07.47 | fugue88 | What, as in: "What operating system are you running?" "Red Hat." ?? |
| 22:08.04 | sjansen | Linux is my operating system. Fedora is my distro. Vim is the one true editor. And Bram Moolenaar is its maintainer. |
| 22:08.19 | JoshH | all distros are the same OS though, just different configs/packages/etc |
| 22:08.29 | JoshH | same kernel and tools either way |
| 22:08.31 | eightyeight | "distro" to me brings the days of old, when there was little differences between them |
| 22:09.04 | fugue88 | They seem more homogenous to me now than in previous years. |
| 22:09.30 | eightyeight | now, there are vast differences. calling "fedora" and "ubuntu" distros implies some sort of similarity |
| 22:09.40 | jsmith | You think? |
| 22:09.41 | eightyeight | i would expect fedora to be as similar to ubuntu as windows |
| 22:09.50 | sjansen | pauses to remember the heady excitement of gcc 2.95 |
| 22:09.51 | JoshH | well, i wouldn't go that far |
| 22:10.01 | jsmith | wouldn't either, to be honest |
| 22:10.05 | JoshH | the bsd's are different os's entirely |
| 22:10.09 | JoshH | linux distros are not |
| 22:10.10 | jsmith | sjansen: Please, don't remind me! |
| 22:11.33 | eightyeight | sure. they run the same kernel, kindof, and they run the same gnu frontend, kind of |
| 22:11.43 | JoshH | just different versions |
| 22:11.47 | Jayce^ | sjansen: yeah, that's what made me leave RH on my desktop :) |
| 22:11.52 | eightyeight | and different forks |
| 22:11.55 | JoshH | it's the difference between xp sp2 and sp3 |
| 22:12.15 | eightyeight | more like os2/warp and xp |
| 22:12.22 | sjansen | hardly |
| 22:12.30 | fugue88 | no kidding. |
| 22:12.44 | sjansen | HP-UX and Solaris are sufficiently distinct to be called different OSes. |
| 22:13.07 | Jayce^ | mmmm warp |
| 22:13.12 | sjansen | Ubuntu and Fedora, they're more alike than different. Two boats in the same stream. |
| 22:13.43 | JoshH | it's like apollo burger vs crown burger |
| 22:14.09 | jsmith | JoshH: Yeah, and one definitely has better fries :-p |
| 22:14.16 | sjansen | Sure, Linux distros sometimes jump ahead or fall behind. Some like to hug one shore, some another. But they're all going the same direction, propelled by the same force. |
| 22:14.42 | jsmith | You might even say that some are further upstream and some are further downstream :-p |
| 22:14.43 | sjansen | suggests everyon in #utah sing a round of kumbaya |
| 22:14.57 | JoshH | i don't notice a difference between their fries, but apollo has better fry sauce, without that relish crap |
| 22:14.58 | fugue88 | jsmith: hehe |
| 22:15.18 | jsmith | JoshH: Glad we can agree :-) |
| 22:15.20 | fugue88 | What distro of fry sauce do you eat? |
| 22:15.24 | fugue88 | :D |
| 22:15.31 | sjansen | Some Dudes |
| 22:15.55 | goozbach | is really jonsing for some apollo burger |
| 22:15.59 | goozbach | hungry! |
| 22:16.16 | eightyeight | fedora ships systemd, ubuntu ships upstart, debian ships sysv |
| 22:16.29 | JoshH | i love the word ships |
| 22:16.31 | sjansen | considers swing by Apollo Burger on the way home in an hour |
| 22:16.31 | eightyeight | fedora ships rpm, debian/ubuntu ships dub, arch ships pacman |
| 22:16.44 | Jayce^ | hit sammy's for lunch.. mmmmm |
| 22:16.47 | goozbach | ships himself home |
| 22:16.51 | eightyeight | one uses unity the other gnome-shell |
| 22:17.15 | eightyeight | one provides proprietary firmware by default, the other adheres to strict free software principles |
| 22:17.18 | sjansen | fedora shipped upstart and sysv, ubuntu is behind the curve, debian is waiting for the curve to become a cliff |
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| 22:17.30 | eightyeight | build with gcc 4 vs gcc3, python vs perl, on, and on, and on |
| 22:17.41 | sjansen | eightyeight: So? |
| 22:17.54 | sjansen | Like I said, they're all at different points on the same path. |
| 22:18.02 | eightyeight | so, "distro" to me means similarities |
| 22:18.22 | jsmith | "That which unites is is bigger than that which divides us" |
| 22:18.25 | eightyeight | sure. they ship bash. so does hp/ux. sweet |
| 22:18.37 | sjansen | Give Ubuntu and Debian time to get they're act together, eventually they'll be where Fedora used to be. |
| 22:18.54 | eightyeight | right... i'll keep that in mind |
| 22:20.44 | eightyeight | curious what "debian gnu/kfreebsd" is. "distro"? "flavor"? something else? |
| 22:20.51 | sjansen | It's not Fedora's fault if its users are more willing to suffer the growing pains so that others have an easier path. And Ubuntu's current rebelliousness is just a stage all kids go through. |
| 22:21.47 | eightyeight | afk |
| 22:21.50 | JoshH | eightyeight: abomination |
| 22:24.04 | sjansen | So let's see... |
| 22:24.17 | sjansen | Debian == grandpa |
| 22:24.36 | sjansen | Ubuntu == teen |
| 22:24.50 | sjansen | Fedora == cool uncle |
| 22:24.58 | JoshH | what's gentoo? |
| 22:25.21 | JoshH | and mandriva |
| 22:25.37 | JoshH | i don't even want to think about suse |
| 22:25.40 | sjansen | Gentoo == scary tweaker by the playground |
| 22:26.16 | JoshH | mandriva would be the newborn nephew with some birth defect |
| 22:26.35 | sjansen | Mandriva == not so cool uncle who keeps getting hard breaks in life |
| 22:26.56 | sjansen | Scratch that, |
| 22:27.32 | sjansen | Mandriva == androgynous uncle/aunt who hit some tough breaks and went off the rails |
| 22:28.14 | sjansen | RHEL == loving and dependable mother |
| 22:28.49 | sjansen | SLES == abusive father |
| 22:29.07 | sjansen | (Yeah, I'm biased.) |
| 22:29.21 | jsmith | sjansen: That's OK -- I am too |
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| 22:30.31 | sjansen | One more try, |
| 22:31.29 | sjansen | Mandriva == accountant neighbor who left it all behind to pursue happiness as a Prince impersonator |
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| 22:59.56 | Gate | sjansen: as a cross dressing Prince impersonator |
| 23:00.16 | cedwards | Gate: I think that's redundant. |
| 23:03.23 | atoponce | heh |
| 23:04.52 | atoponce | sjansen does have a beard... |
| 23:10.53 | cedwards | damn. freeway completely shut off at centerville. |
| 23:11.44 | sjansen | go go gadget legacy! |
| 23:12.24 | cedwards | go go gadget late for dinner |
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