| 00:00.25 | eightyeight | i'm guessing he's not allowed to wipe the base os |
| 00:03.42 | eightyeight | he does make a great case about the lack of interoperability with the various package managers though |
| 00:04.00 | eightyeight | seriously. macports might be best, but the fact that it doesn't play with fink is laugable |
| 00:08.01 | eightyeight | s/ga/gha/ |
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| 00:25.04 | eightyeight | heh the dude is totally crazy. compare: |
| 00:25.06 | eightyeight | http://teddziuba.com/2009/10/hey-lets-bitch-about-seo-again.html |
| 00:25.08 | eightyeight | vs. |
| 00:25.19 | eightyeight | http://teddziuba.com/2010/06/seo-is-mostly-quack-science.html |
| 00:25.29 | eightyeight | in 8 months time too |
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| 02:08.55 | bbeattie | Any flex developers here, or know of any who could help me with a very tiny project for pay? |
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| 04:33.50 | JoshH | eightyeight: i'm not understanding why it' |
| 04:34.03 | JoshH | why it's reasonable to expect different package managers to interoparate |
| 04:34.36 | JoshH | it's not like apt and aptitude doing the same thing |
| 04:35.01 | JoshH | fink and macports are completely different in every way, they don't even use the same "package" format |
| 04:35.26 | JoshH | they're just totally different ways to get common open source software |
| 04:54.35 | Jayce^ | what, you don't use rpm to install your debs? or aptitude on your slackware box?? |
| 11:25.03 | eightyeight | JoshH: huh? aptitude and apt play with each other just fine. they both read the same db for what is available to the system, what is installed, not installed, etc |
| 11:25.17 | eightyeight | Jayce^: uh, okay? |
| 11:25.26 | eightyeight | not entirely sure what you're implying there |
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| 14:31.22 | olli | moin |
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| 14:47.50 | Jayce^ | eightyeight: about the same thing as you were stating about macports, fink, and brew workign together |
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| 14:52.24 | eightyeight | i guess i don't understand the difficulty in fink reading and writing to a common db with macports and brew on a comman operating system, just as apt and aptitude do on debian, and yum/zypp/yast do on suse, etc |
| 14:52.34 | eightyeight | s/comman/common/ |
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| 14:52.49 | Jayce^ | because they are more akin to rpm vs deb.. |
| 14:53.03 | eightyeight | which is the problem |
| 14:53.24 | Jayce^ | since macports literally is built from ports, and fink is on deb |
| 14:53.48 | Jayce^ | and brew is a ruby based kinda port, but much more git based |
| 14:54.13 | Jayce^ | brew makes far better use of existing system code too, instead of building its own little world like ports and fink do |
| 14:54.20 | goozbach1 | I like brew |
| 14:54.36 | eightyeight | so my point is taken then |
| 14:54.37 | goozbach1 | I recently re-did my mac laptop and I'm doing everything in homebrew |
| 14:54.46 | Jayce^ | ditto, I can build against a system lib, instead of trying to make sure I'm in a closed little world |
| 14:54.59 | eightyeight | goozbach1: /nick |
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| 14:55.35 | goozbach | when did that hpappen |
| 14:56.12 | eightyeight | massive netsplit this morning |
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| 15:14.11 | sjansen | http://adainitiative.org/projects/census/ |
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| 15:33.06 | sontek | They announced yesterday they were having issues with a european node |
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| 19:40.51 | JoshH | Jayce^: how is the selection in brew vs macports? |
| 19:40.54 | fozzmoo | zarbula: Hello. |
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| 19:42.30 | goozbach | ~greet zarbula |
| 19:42.30 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on zarbula |
| 19:42.33 | goozbach | welcome |
| 19:42.42 | zarbula | :D |
| 19:44.10 | sjansen | ~greet zarbula |
| 19:44.10 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on zarbula |
| 19:44.29 | sjansen | Oh, shucks, goozbach beat me to the punch. |
| 19:44.33 | sjansen | ~punch goozbach |
| 19:44.33 | ibot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches goozbach right on the nose |
| 19:44.43 | fugue88 | ~rlart |
| 19:44.43 | ibot | plops Sargun into a giant vat of herring |
| 19:45.25 | zarbula | ~grue |
| 19:45.25 | ibot | rumour has it, grue is something you have to watch out for if you don't have a light. |
| 19:45.30 | goozbach | ~whaleparry sjansen |
| 19:45.31 | ibot | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry sjansen's attacks. |
| 19:46.17 | sjansen | ~whalestab goozbach |
| 19:46.17 | ibot | ACTION stabs goozbach with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 19:46.26 | zarbula | figured you had to have a grue in the system... |
| 19:46.28 | goozbach | ~whaleslap sjansen |
| 19:46.29 | ibot | ACTION beats sjansen upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 19:46.57 | bbeattie | Anyone know of a flex developer who would be interested in a small contract job? |
| 19:46.59 | fozzmoo | http://teddziuba.com/2011/03/osx-unsuitable-web-development.html |
| 19:48.52 | Sargun | fugue88, -_- |
| 19:48.57 | Sargun | ~lart fugue88 |
| 19:48.57 | ibot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at fugue88 |
| 19:49.11 | fugue88 | ~parry Sargun |
| 19:49.34 | fugue88 | parries too late, and takes a nuke |
| 19:50.59 | Sargun | parry? |
| 19:51.08 | goozbach | thrust! |
| 19:51.13 | fugue88 | block |
| 19:51.14 | goozbach | ~whalethrust Sargun |
| 19:51.20 | goozbach | worth a shot |
| 19:51.20 | fugue88 | ew |
| 19:51.26 | goozbach | and eww |
| 19:51.40 | goozbach | fingers were faster than the brain there |
| 19:52.14 | zarbula | fozzmoo: Find it odd a linux dude would find apple more interesting. macports is pretty slick from what I've seen (grew up on Windows, went to linux). |
| 19:52.31 | zarbula | wouldn't* |
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| 20:41.13 | sjansen | zarbula: Compared to Windows? At least Mac OS X is a bastardized version of Unix instead of an overgrown mutation of VMS. |
| 20:47.59 | fozzmoo | Hey, no knocking of VMS. |
| 20:48.25 | fozzmoo | I don't think you meant VMS. I think you meant CPM. |
| 20:48.55 | fozzmoo | s/CPM/CP\/M/ |
| 20:49.48 | zarbula_ | sjansen: He knows Posix, unlike someone like myself who came from windows. So just leaves me curious why he didn't spend more timing delving into sources. |
| 20:50.14 | JoshH | did fozzmoo slight osx? |
| 20:51.06 | sjansen | No, Windows NT and descendants are based on VMS. Now VMS might be a fine system, I've never used it, but WNT is an obscene overgrown mutation. |
| 20:51.25 | fozzmoo | I've never heard that NT was based on VMS. |
| 20:51.31 | JoshH | me neither |
| 20:51.33 | JoshH | it was new technology |
| 20:51.36 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 20:51.37 | JoshH | innovated by MS |
| 20:52.03 | fozzmoo | If it is indeed true, it was a big step backward for VMS. :) |
| 20:52.16 | JoshH | vms certainly needs to be rebooted less often |
| 20:52.16 | sjansen | Dave Cutler, the same guy who created VMS lead the creation of WNT. |
| 20:52.29 | fozzmoo | VMS rivals just about everything we use as far as security goes. |
| 20:52.50 | fozzmoo | It's not a fun environment to develop in, though. |
| 20:52.52 | JoshH | fozzmoo: except for the wank worm |
| 20:53.14 | fugue88 | GNOME's bonobo or whatever it's called network RPC thingy was written by a guy from MS who did major work on ActiveX and stuff. |
| 20:53.30 | JoshH | that explains why it sucks so much |
| 20:53.35 | fugue88 | And this we see that bad ideas spread like diseases: with a common carrier. |
| 20:53.41 | fugue88 | And thus... |
| 20:53.53 | sjansen | http://www.amazon.com/Show-Stopper-Breakneck-Generation-Microsoft/dp/0029356717 <-- An interesting book. |
| 20:54.01 | fozzmoo | Even the Wank had very little privileges. :) |
| 20:54.17 | fozzmoo | It had to resort to pretending to delete files. :) |
| 20:54.42 | sjansen | No, bonobo sucked because it was based on corba. Everything touched by corba sucks. |
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| 20:54.46 | JoshH | i just barely read that "book" that talked about teh wank work and early 90's hackers, i think it's called underground something or other |
| 20:54.59 | JoshH | made for some good iphone reading while laying in bed |
| 20:55.03 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 20:55.04 | JoshH | terribly written though |
| 20:55.39 | JoshH | goes into some detail about julian assange's early career |
| 20:55.47 | fozzmoo | I just learned about the +select and +as parameters to DBIx::Class's search() method. I feel 10 times smarter now. |
| 20:56.29 | fozzmoo | OTOH, I'm using it to do MySQL-specific crap, which makes me feel really stupid. |
| 20:56.37 | JoshH | it was weird to see guys i'm familiar with now from mailing lists mentioned in that book as having to deal with the wank worm so long ago |
| 20:57.07 | JoshH | and other things it went over |
| 20:57.15 | fozzmoo | Forever known as "wankers." |
| 20:58.13 | sjansen | fugue88: BTW, are you sure bonobo was created by a former MS employee? Miguel de Icaza, GNOME founder, has an established record of adapting MS technologies, but he wasn't an MS employee because visa problems preventing them from hiring him. (Leaving him time to start GNOME instead.) |
| 20:59.15 | fugue88 | sjansen: That's the name I was thinking of, so I must have the story a little bit wrong. :( |
| 20:59.18 | fugue88 | ~lart me |
| 20:59.18 | ibot | eats fugue88's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 20:59.57 | sjansen | Insufficient. |
| 21:00.02 | sjansen | ~ridicule fugue88 |
| 21:00.02 | ibot | ACTION drops fugue88 in a tank of pink paint and herring |
| 21:00.09 | sjansen | Better. |
| 21:02.04 | fugue88 | heh |
| 21:08.59 | zarbula_ | sjansen: making me wish I had the movie Pirates of Silcon Valley somewhere acessible right now. |
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| 21:10.38 | zarbula_ | Never mind, thanks youtube. |
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| 22:55.29 | sontek | fadein: you'll be thankful you have windows explorer if you ever try to use osx's default finder |
| 22:59.08 | craigj | `cd` is a bitch too |
| 22:59.31 | JoshH | what's bad about osx's? you can just click your home on the left, and it's actually a home, unlike on windows |
| 22:59.40 | JoshH | it even has a house for the icon, so charming |
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| 23:38.34 | Gate | meh, avoid all guis. |
| 23:38.42 | Gate | ls + cd == win |