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| 15:34.12 | sjansen | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/guides/2011/03/the-linux-graphics-stack-from-x-to-wayland.ars |
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| 16:13.05 | manithree | Anybody actually used wayland yet? |
| 16:17.00 | sontek | I switched to osx, linux desktop is too much of a mess |
| 16:17.18 | sontek | wayland vs X, unity vs gnome, etc |
| 16:17.46 | JoshH | maybe wayland will fix the mess :P |
| 16:18.08 | eggyknap | has happily used ion w/ a stock X server for quite a few years |
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| 17:18.11 | shalkie | Wow. William Shatner turned 80 today. |
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| 17:36.08 | elg | he's my grandma's age. that will bring new depth to my TOS-watching experiences. |
| 17:37.36 | Gate | FF4 is out: http://glow.mozilla.org/ |
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| 18:03.29 | eightyeight | yay for ff4 |
| 18:04.33 | eightyeight | excited to setup my own sync server |
| 18:05.42 | eightyeight | sontek: did you really? or is my sarcasm meter broken? |
| 18:10.57 | Migs | FF4 has been out for awhile |
| 18:19.54 | eightyeight | time is relative |
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| 19:16.51 | jalbretsen | I trust everyone is participating in Talk Like Shatner Day... |
| 19:17.19 | fugue88 | Why... yes I...am! Shoot to kill! |
| 19:18.29 | jsmith | jalbretsen: I'm sitting crookedly in my chair, if that counts... |
| 19:19.42 | fugue88 | That must make typing a little difficult. |
| 19:19.53 | fugue88 | But you probably have deck officers for that. |
| 19:23.12 | jalbretsen | jsmith: Just as long a you are looking at all the cute yeomans |
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| 20:13.50 | sjansen | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/new/ <-- What does it mean that Firefox used Ubuntu for their screenshot? |
| 20:14.37 | sjansen | Is Canonical paying product placement fees? Did Shuttleworth kidnap the daughter of a Mozilla employee for leverage? |
| 20:15.11 | sjansen | Is Firefox 5 for Mac OS going to install the Linux kernel as a driver on Mac OS X? |
| 20:16.17 | jsmith | sjansen: Let's hope so! |
| 20:16.26 | jsmith | sjansen: (to at least one of those suppositions) |
| 20:17.13 | smcquay | sjansen: would you prefer it be an XP screenshot? |
| 20:17.19 | sjansen | Is Mozilla trying to imply that Unity causes acid trips? Is the new branding evidence of a pending merger with Sesame Street? |
| 20:18.12 | smcquay | yeah, what is up with them goblins and the pirate rabbit? |
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| 20:37.51 | eightyeight | i see windows in the screenshot |
| 20:38.17 | eightyeight | i'm guessing the screenshot is tailored for the os you're using when visiting the page? |
| 20:39.02 | fugue88 | Well now, the truth is out about eightyeight's OS. :P |
| 20:39.14 | smcquay | hmm, this is odd, my os x shot looks suspiciously like my linux shot ... |
| 20:41.06 | Gate | sjansen: being a software dev I can fairly accurately guess: Person A: OH CRAP WE NEED A SCREENSHOT! Person B opens their dev machine and takes a screenshot. |
| 20:41.30 | eightyeight | fugue88: indeed. xp pro specifically. if only i could wipe the drive, and put down debian. but then, i'd lose my job |
| 20:41.46 | sjansen | eightyeight: You're running Windows? |
| 20:41.52 | smcquay | priorities, eightyeight |
| 20:41.54 | eightyeight | yes |
| 20:41.58 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.12 | eightyeight | smcquay: exactly |
| 20:42.24 | sjansen | Alas poor eightyeight, I knew him... not as well as I thought. |
| 20:42.44 | sjansen | Struck down in his prime. |
| 20:42.48 | eightyeight | not only is windows xp the operating system of my government-furnished laptop, i also have it in a virtual machine on my personal thinkpad! |
| 20:42.48 | sjansen | Tragic. |
| 20:43.00 | smcquay | eightyeight: how close were they? was it "windows" or exactly "Windows XP" ? |
| 20:43.12 | eightyeight | smcquay: what? the screenshot? |
| 20:43.17 | smcquay | yeah |
| 20:43.37 | eightyeight | i'm guessing vista or 7 |
| 20:43.50 | eightyeight | based on the title bare and button icons |
| 20:43.56 | eightyeight | s/bare/bar/ |
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| 22:11.37 | sontek | eightyeight: I've been dual booting OSX and Debian running gnome-shell for the last couple months and lastnight I sat down and actually tried to get OSX to work the way I wanted |
| 22:12.08 | sontek | eightyeight: So I made the decision lastnight to at least try it full time |
| 22:12.14 | eightyeight | cool |
| 22:12.23 | eightyeight | on apple hardware, or a hackintosh? |
| 22:12.38 | sontek | apple hardware |
| 22:13.29 | shalkie | jalbretsen: The real question... is... can you sing like him? http://bit.ly/igCeD0 |
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| 22:13.42 | sontek | I've been running macbook for about 7 months now and loved the feel of the keyboard/screen but didn't really give osx a chance, just put debian on it and went on with my life :P |
| 22:14.20 | sontek | but now I've got terminal, vim, python, etc all setup to work exactly like I do in Linux |
| 22:14.27 | JoshH | i like osx as much or more than any linux desktop, but there are a few things that bug me |
| 22:14.46 | sontek | So the only thing I'm missing from Linux is a good file manager |
| 22:14.49 | eightyeight | sontek: cool |
| 22:14.50 | sontek | Finder is horrible |
| 22:14.51 | JoshH | not having a proper list of windows in some sort of bar for example |
| 22:15.01 | eightyeight | their terminal app sucks too |
| 22:15.02 | JoshH | linux has a good file manager? |
| 22:15.04 | eightyeight | i can't get used to it |
| 22:15.15 | JoshH | i'm used to their terminal now |
| 22:15.24 | sontek | eightyeight: I thought that at first, which is why I ran Linux for the last few months, but lastnight I finally set it up and its not bad |
| 22:15.35 | sontek | eightyeight: its definitely configured horribly by default |
| 22:15.38 | JoshH | i installed the gnu tools to get gnu ls through macports |
| 22:15.55 | sontek | I prefer homebrew instead of macports, but yeah it comes with coreutils |
| 22:15.59 | JoshH | macports is definitely an absolute must |
| 22:16.09 | JoshH | or your terminal will be pretty much useless |
| 22:16.40 | JoshH | also, don't try to do too much OS administration from the terminal, a lot of things aren't meant for it, and they change things in huge ways between versions |
| 22:16.53 | sontek | But seriously with the mess the linux desktop is in right now, its really hard to keep backing it |
| 22:17.27 | sontek | I really agree with the way gnome-shell is doing things and I've really never liked the way things Ubuntu has done things |
| 22:17.31 | JoshH | the linux desktop is fine as far as just working, but people who try to make it too nice or who care about things like usability guidelines will never be happy |
| 22:17.33 | sontek | SUSE switched to backing KDE |
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| 22:17.48 | sontek | I've been happy up until this point |
| 22:18.24 | sontek | but it might just because i'm getting old and cranky :P |
| 22:20.07 | sontek | and apples software is complete shit... itunes, finder, mail, safari, etc... But chrome, banshee, and thunderbird fix most of those |
| 22:20.36 | sontek | I haven't found a good replacement for finder thats free, pathfinder is the best but its $40 and I refuse to pay :P |
| 22:20.43 | JoshH | i use thunderbird, an d i have ff and chrome installed but use ff mostly |
| 22:20.55 | JoshH | last time i looked the banshee osx port wasn't nearly complete |
| 22:21.29 | sontek | Depends what you think of as complete |
| 22:21.48 | sontek | It doesn't support ipod or video but I don't really need those |
| 22:23.45 | sontek | Even in Linux I use VLC for video instead of banshee |
| 22:24.59 | JoshH | i use vlc on linux and osx |
| 22:33.20 | sontek | It hurts me after hating on apple for so long :P But if you can provide me a good stable environment that still has ssh, vim, python, and standard gnutools I'm happy |
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| 22:35.59 | JoshH | interestingly, i don't like the mac that much for browser video streaming |
| 22:36.17 | JoshH | i can't make the quicktime plugin do full screen for example |
| 22:36.25 | JoshH | totem and mplayer's plugin were a lot better i think |
| 23:01.17 | sjansen | sontek: Linux desktop? Mess? Dude! Where were you 10 years ago? Things are _so_ much better now. |
| 23:03.10 | Gate | sontek: have you tried brew yet? |
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| 23:51.24 | eightyeight | sontek: i can understand your philosophy |
| 23:51.57 | eightyeight | mac os x ships a lot of the great core utilities that make a unix system awesome, and yet aqua is so fluid |
| 23:52.20 | eightyeight | my big beef with os x is the mouse-centric nature of the os, and i can't _stand_ their keyboards |
| 23:53.06 | eightyeight | then i have small gripes, like the crap that is terminal.app, screwy user management, and other stuff |
| 23:53.19 | eightyeight | but, the gui is indeed polished, and everything is integrated tightly |
| 23:54.15 | eightyeight | if some of the utilities aren't available, fink and mac ports make it less painful |
| 23:54.43 | eightyeight | but then there's the business practices of the company, and i refuse to personally support it |
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