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| 02:20.13 | atoponce | Interesting irc client |
| 02:20.38 | atoponce | Always worth giving new apps a shot |
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| 13:24.58 | eightyeight | what is technically correct: "the state of mind at march 17th" or "the state of mind on march 17th"? |
| 13:34.12 | eightyeight | i guess it's "on march 17th" |
| 13:34.16 | eightyeight | http://www.englishclub.com/grammar/prepositions-at-in-on-time.htm |
| 13:34.33 | eightyeight | although i've never heard "I don't usually work at the weekend." |
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| 15:27.17 | tristanrhodes_ | eightyeight, this article addresses your "destroying data" topic: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/datacenter/five-ways-to-intentionally-destroy-your-data/3848 |
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| 15:36.06 | Sargun_Screen | He |
| 15:50.19 | Migs | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTFpMYhRbkQ |
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| 15:56.33 | eightyeight | tristanrhodes_: i would prefer that the fs was encrypted on the outset, but that won't work well for us |
| 15:56.55 | eightyeight | and i'm prevented from doing any physical damage to the drives, other than snapping the pins to prevent reinsertion |
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| 15:57.05 | tristanrhodes_ | I don't think full encryption is mainstream by any means (yet) |
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| 15:58.02 | tristanrhodes_ | eightyeight, they make relatively in-expensive "hard drive erasers", but those are just automated tools for running DoD software erase tools. |
| 15:58.39 | levi | eightyeight: Is this drive getting reused or something? |
| 15:59.03 | eightyeight | i was hoping to build my own degausser, but it appears that it would be far too challenging (and potentially dangerous) to meet the needs of the coercivity of the platters |
| 15:59.26 | eightyeight | levi: no. after digitally wiping the disks, we send them to a company for physicall shredding |
| 16:00.16 | eightyeight | in all honesty, i think what we do is overkill, seeing as though i work at a development site, and we're not allowed to have customer data, secret, ts, etc in the datacenter |
| 16:00.27 | eightyeight | the drives are only allowed to have fake dev data |
| 16:00.51 | eightyeight | so, i don't understand why we can't just wipe them, then resell them |
| 16:00.56 | eightyeight | but, alas, i don't make the rules |
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| 16:02.56 | eightyeight | same goes with all the hardware, actually, not just drives |
| 16:03.12 | eightyeight | when hardware is excessed, it gets shipped to a scrap metal company |
| 16:03.27 | eightyeight | why not resell the hardware, especially when they only got ~4 years use? beats me |
| 16:03.30 | levi | A lot of that is due to business rules derived from bizarre accounting practices. |
| 16:03.43 | eightyeight | nic cards, switches, ram, you name it |
| 16:04.26 | levi | Some coworkers of mine worked for Lucent during its heyday. The stories they tell of equipment being destroyed.... |
| 16:04.27 | eightyeight | yeah. it's just wasteful |
| 16:05.40 | levi | They scrapped a $10mil (or something like that) hardware testing lab right after it was finished. |
| 16:05.51 | eightyeight | stupid |
| 16:06.17 | levi | Tons of brand new, highly expensive equipment sent to the scrapyard. |
| 16:06.24 | eightyeight | yup |
| 16:06.24 | levi | It made sense to the beancounters, apparently. |
| 16:06.33 | eightyeight | i don't get it |
| 16:06.45 | levi | It costs money to own stuff. |
| 16:07.00 | eightyeight | we have 3 stellar dell servers that have never been opened, even. they've been sitting in the back room for 5+ years |
| 16:07.17 | eightyeight | we asked the project if we could utilize them, and the answer was a stern 'no!' |
| 16:07.28 | eightyeight | now, they're out of warranty, and they sit. unopened. |
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| 16:07.42 | eightyeight | and i put money on the fact that they'll get scrapped, and never see the light of day |
| 16:07.49 | eightyeight | makes me mad |
| 16:08.00 | eightyeight | and i'm paying taxes for this incompetence |
| 16:08.31 | levi | Heh. |
| 16:11.27 | levi | Well, technically, you have probably wasted more money than the hard drive you're worried about cost in the first place by spending so much time trying to figure out a less wasteful way to get rid of it. |
| 16:12.21 | fugue88 | Hey, those are my taxes, eightyeight! ;) |
| 16:14.56 | levi | Whee, only $589.99 for a Wifi Xoom at Costco. Not sure why I would want to spend that much money on a tablet. |
| 16:21.23 | TimRiker | wishes thunderbird would not ignore PROXY returns. vote here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264981 |
| 16:21.46 | TimRiker | is it too much to ask to get mail over an http-connect-proxy? |
| 16:22.15 | levi | I hate http proxies. |
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| 16:23.10 | TimRiker | me too. but if it's what I have to live with, the tools should support it. adding corkscrew or just netcat is trivial for ssh. but thunderbird won't handle it natively. |
| 16:24.10 | levi | Yeah, I especially hate that Linux doesn't handle http proxies gracefully. There are a hundred and one different proxy config pieces all over the place. |
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| 16:25.25 | TimRiker | wow... 10 year old bug report on it... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23728 |
| 16:25.50 | levi | Sounds like you need to submit a patch. :( |
| 16:26.20 | TimRiker | indeed. |
| 16:26.39 | TimRiker | I remember wanting this 6 years ago too. |
| 16:26.58 | levi | What really needs to happen is something at the kernel level, so all this crap isn't necessary in every single program that uses IP. |
| 16:27.22 | levi | That, or something in the libc socket implementation layer. |
| 16:27.24 | JoshH | doesn't most stuff use teh http proxy environmental variable? i don't think i've ever used one though |
| 16:28.15 | TimRiker | web access in thunderbird uses the proxy setting. mail uses the proxy setting if configured for SOCKS, but ignores them if set to http-connect-proxy. |
| 16:28.38 | TimRiker | silently ignores them. no warning even in the error log. |
| 16:28.50 | levi | I'm behind the world's worst-configured http proxy. I think I have some of the world's worst IT services, too. |
| 16:29.28 | JoshH | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.24 | fugue88 | levi: The last place I worked had the DMZ *backwards*. |
| 16:32.27 | fugue88 | That was fun. |
| 16:33.27 | fugue88 | And they contracted out the management of the firewall rules. |
| 16:33.38 | fugue88 | Cost about 10K to add a new rules. |
| 16:33.41 | fugue88 | a new rule. |
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| 16:33.51 | jalbretsen | fugue88: you worked for the government, didn't you |
| 16:34.02 | levi | Our proxy is not local to our office. All data has to go through the pipe to the central IT office halfway across the country before it can hit the net. |
| 16:34.09 | fugue88 | jalbretsen: Almost. I worked in the health sector. |
| 16:34.19 | fugue88 | levi: Awesome. |
| 16:35.15 | jalbretsen | Having things backwards and spending lots of money for nothing just sounded so familiar to my last job I had to ask |
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| 16:35.44 | levi | Our code repositories are not local to our office, either. |
| 16:36.09 | levi | Someone decided that centralizing all IT assets was a great idea. |
| 16:36.22 | fugue88 | Uh, |
| 16:36.23 | fugue88 | ... |
| 16:36.30 | fugue88 | hmm. |
| 16:36.49 | JoshH | 10k for a new rule? how do i get them to hire me? |
| 16:37.06 | levi | Not to mention outsourcing IT to an offshore company. |
| 16:37.29 | JoshH | why can't i ever get the gigs like that |
| 16:37.29 | levi | The servers and some employees of IT are still local to the USA, fortunately. |
| 16:37.41 | JoshH | i thought it was bad that my wife's last company paid some pothead 600 bucks to install macafee on a pc |
| 16:37.49 | jalbretsen | wow, I added 2 rules to 4 servers the other day, 80K for me! |
| 16:39.21 | JoshH | i'll do it for 75! |
| 16:40.32 | Sargun_Screen | levi: The xoom is pretty decent |
| 16:40.58 | Sargun_Screen | I'd probably rather go with the Xoom than the iPad |
| 16:41.04 | JoshH | i wouldn't pay more than 150 for either one |
| 16:41.16 | levi | A coworker of mine has a Xoom, and it did look nice, though it was kind of heavy. |
| 16:41.19 | cedwards | does anyone know how to remove those annoying-as-hell comments from the /. RSS feed? |
| 16:41.33 | levi | I wouldn't mind having one if I didn't have to pay for it. :) |
| 16:41.46 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: I paid 450 GBP for my Nexus S |
| 16:41.55 | Sargun_Screen | $600 seems like a drop in the bucket for a tablet. |
| 16:42.05 | JoshH | it does? |
| 16:42.09 | JoshH | seems like a joke to me |
| 16:42.32 | levi | For the young, single tech professional with no life, it is indeed a drop in the bucket. |
| 16:42.37 | JoshH | a tablet is nicer to hold while you're sprawled on the couch at home than a laptop, for basic web reading |
| 16:42.40 | JoshH | but what real use is it |
| 16:42.45 | fugue88 | Sargun_Screen: You're bucket must be bigger than mine. |
| 16:42.48 | JoshH | i wouldn't want to take it aroudn with me, so the portability factor isn't a big deal |
| 16:42.49 | fugue88 | Your... |
| 16:43.20 | Sargun_Screen | fugue88: I spent $600+ on my phone. |
| 16:43.29 | Sargun_Screen | fugue88: So, why not spend $600 on a tablet? |
| 16:43.46 | JoshH | why have both? |
| 16:43.50 | fugue88 | Uh, wow, that's a lot for a phone. |
| 16:44.04 | fugue88 | I have a wired phone, 4 handsets, about $100. |
| 16:44.07 | Sargun_Screen | $725. |
| 16:44.11 | levi | My brother lives alone in an apartment. He has a pretty normal database programmer job. He buys all the gadgets he wants. He still has enough money in savings to buy a decent house outright. |
| 16:44.56 | cedwards | relief! the atom feed doesn't have the damned comments: http://rss.slashdot.org/Slashdot/slashdotatom |
| 16:44.57 | eightyeight | i hate how chrome handles proxy connections (continuing the old coversation of 20 minutes ago) |
| 16:45.06 | eightyeight | firefox/thunderbird do much better jobs at it |
| 16:45.10 | JoshH | that's a nice savings |
| 16:45.23 | JoshH | he should be able to get a woman just by telling her that |
| 16:45.33 | levi | JoshH: He'd have to meet one first. |
| 16:45.39 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: I don't need to have both, but if tablets could do some cool stuff like have awesome battery life, or decent handwriting interaction, I'd get one. |
| 16:45.53 | Sargun_Screen | levi: Where does he live? |
| 16:45.58 | levi | Seattle. |
| 16:46.05 | fugue88 | Sargun_Screen: In an apartment. |
| 16:46.07 | JoshH | i thought i was living like a baller when i was single just because i had a sony wega tv |
| 16:46.09 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: That doesn't work. |
| 16:46.10 | fugue88 | :P :) |
| 16:46.29 | Sargun_Screen | $50k of savings wont get you a woman, $150k wont either. |
| 16:47.05 | Sargun_Screen | At least in my experience. |
| 16:47.24 | fugue88 | Uh, yeah. |
| 16:47.38 | jalbretsen | levi: at the rate things are going, he'll be able to buy two houses outright. |
| 16:48.22 | levi | jalbretsen: He doesn't seem to be highly motivated to buy one, though, which is probably for the best. |
| 16:48.33 | Sargun_Screen | levi: I know a guy that does embedded work, and he's making $180k/yr @ 28. |
| 16:48.37 | levi | I sometimes wish I didn't own a house. |
| 16:49.03 | JoshH | if i didn't, i could move out of state easier |
| 16:49.07 | JoshH | but i like having one otherwise |
| 16:49.30 | Sargun_Screen | levi: He still lives with his parents. These are the kinds of people tht can buy a tablet without a second thought |
| 16:49.41 | levi | Yeah. |
| 16:50.21 | levi | Well, also the masses of people with credit cards and without a functioning fear of debt. |
| 16:50.37 | Sargun_Screen | levi: You still doing embedded work? |
| 16:50.43 | levi | Yup. |
| 16:50.45 | Sargun_Screen | levi: Well, audio over ethernet? |
| 16:50.46 | Gate | levi: I lost my kindle, will likely replace with a tablet... |
| 16:50.51 | jalbretsen | levi, I'm one of those people, but I pay off my credit card monthly, so.... |
| 16:50.52 | Sargun_Screen | Wasn't that what you were doing last time? |
| 16:52.44 | levi | Gate: I got my kindle specifically because I could use it for days/weeks without recharging it, and it was beneath my spending pain threshold. I don't think I'd like a tablet as much for what I use the kindle for. |
| 16:53.38 | JoshH | i like the idea of ibooks on my phone, but i haven't bought any books with it yet. most are 12-14 bucks, and it seems too close to the full price for me, definitely more than paperback |
| 16:54.14 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: I tried to kindle on my Nexus S, and it caused severe eye strain. |
| 16:54.30 | levi | There are a ton of free books available on various free readers, if you're not opposed to reading classic stuff rather than current. |
| 16:54.43 | JoshH | isn't the i4 display better than the nexus? |
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| 17:00.03 | BLZbubba | i never considered a kindle but got a k3 for christmas and i love it |
| 17:00.10 | BLZbubba | all it needs is a better ssh client |
| 17:00.42 | Gate | well, I liked the kindle's display, but most of my time wanting to use it is when it is dark |
| 17:01.10 | BLZbubba | Sargun_Screen: how do you like the nexus s? i'm trying to decide whether to get a used nexus one or spring for an S |
| 17:01.18 | levi | I got it for international travel, but I end up using it for most of my reading now. |
| 17:01.41 | Gate | levi: yep |
| 17:01.56 | Gate | but I managed to leave mine on a bloody plane :( |
| 17:02.02 | BLZbubba | how do you deal with pdf's that have microscopic fonts? |
| 17:02.03 | levi | Oops. :( |
| 17:02.35 | levi | BLZbubba: I hold it close to my face. ;) |
| 17:02.40 | BLZbubba | the pager they have in zoom mode sucks hard |
| 17:02.50 | levi | I don't actually use it for pdfs that much. |
| 17:03.08 | Sargun_Screen | BLZbubba: What's your use case? |
| 17:03.19 | Sargun_Screen | levi: how much international travel do yu do? |
| 17:03.59 | levi | Sargun_Screen: Not a lot so far, but I just spent a week in Germany and I have visas for India and China in case I need to go meet with our teams there. |
| 17:04.00 | BLZbubba | Sargun_Screen: pdf's that have a lot of text per page; if i zoom in the pager doesn't let me line it up with the text |
| 17:04.23 | BLZbubba | i have only come across 2 with this problem |
| 17:04.50 | BLZbubba | so it's not horrible, i am pleasantly surprised with how readable most of them are |
| 17:05.13 | BLZbubba | Sargun_Screen: or do you mean use case for the nexus s :) |
| 17:05.18 | BLZbubba | no int'l travel |
| 17:07.58 | Sargun_Screen | levi: Awesome Btw, do you work with Xilinx's gear at all? |
| 17:08.34 | levi | The guy in the next cube over spent many years as a Xilinx FAE. |
| 17:08.35 | Sargun_Screen | BLZbubba: What provider, what do you do, etc? |
| 17:09.00 | Sargun_Screen | realistic battery while idle = ~36 hrs |
| 17:09.11 | Sargun_Screen | used = ~4.5 hrs |
| 17:09.46 | BLZbubba | at&t, phone calls, a bit of browsing |
| 17:10.15 | BLZbubba | 2 activesync calendars to keep in sync, that's the tricky part with many phones |
| 17:10.15 | levi | 4.5hrs isn't nearly enough for international flights unless you plan on sleeping a lot. Which, admittedly, is probably a better idea than reading if you can manage it. |
| 17:10.35 | BLZbubba | and i want to play with the dev tools |
| 17:10.43 | Sargun_Screen | BLZbubba: I've hit a lot of radio issues with it, but I don't know if that's a issue because I'm in a brick-based down :P |
| 17:10.51 | BLZbubba | hopefully they don't suck as bad as the ming tools |
| 17:10.59 | BLZbubba | by radio you mean listening to FM? |
| 17:11.07 | BLZbubba | or dropping calls |
| 17:11.11 | Sargun_Screen | levi: If you turn off the radios, you can pull ~7.5 hrs |
| 17:11.13 | BLZbubba | or other |
| 17:11.30 | Sargun_Screen | BLZbubba: Radio = WiFi/Bluetooth/GSM |
| 17:11.57 | Sargun_Screen | A lot of apps are broken because of ginger bread |
| 17:12.37 | Sargun_Screen | but, that's slowly going away |
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| 17:13.33 | Sargun_Screen | BLZbubba: radio issues = random drops, camping failures, stuff like that. |
| 17:17.15 | Sargun_Screen | BLZbubba: I would say, wait 3 months and see if they clean shit up. |
| 17:19.26 | BLZbubba | there is a new one out, the GT-i9020A |
| 17:19.45 | BLZbubba | of course, at&t doesn't have the best reputation in this regard |
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| 17:21.06 | Sargun_Screen | BLZbubba: Wait three months before utilizing Gingerbread |
| 17:21.23 | BLZbubba | ok |
| 17:25.01 | Sargun_Screen | levi: Do you know anthing about the virtex 7 |
| 17:25.30 | Sargun_Screen | levi: What do you think about utilizing FPGAs for graph solving |
| 17:27.10 | Sargun_Screen | Treat each virtex as a fifo that takes N cycles to pass the message. |
| 17:27.24 | Sargun_Screen | s/ virtex/edge/ |
| 17:27.35 | Sargun_Screen | and each node would tag the message. |
| 17:27.58 | levi | I haven't thought about it, and don't have spare thinking cycles to seriously think about it. |
| 17:28.28 | levi | And what I know about Virtex 7 is that it's a Xilinx part called 'Virtex 7'. |
| 17:28.35 | Sargun_Screen | It doesn't seem practical on the virtex-5, but with the higher gate counts on the 6 and 7, it seems like it could be practical. |
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| 17:48.57 | eightyeight | https://f1ngerscr0ssed.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/0wning-arch/#comment-3 |
| 17:49.09 | eightyeight | s/#comment-3// |
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| 18:26.46 | fadein | eightyeight: interesting read |
| 18:42.24 | eightyeight | indeed |
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| 19:00.18 | whiteinge | quite |
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| 19:11.16 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 19:11.16 | ibot | smacks fadein up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
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| 19:17.01 | sjansen | "Input devices are meant for human input; since most humans do not communicate with their systems via large ambient pressure changes, this device did not fit." <-- I love LWN |
| 19:17.20 | goozbach | sjansen: link? |
| 19:17.51 | sjansen | http://lwn.net/Articles/433601/ |
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| 21:14.45 | Sargun_Screen | I find it funny that people accept metered billing on everything, but interenet (phone, power, water) |
| 21:15.48 | macnewbold | Sargun_Screen: i'd accept metered billing if the prices were reasonable |
| 21:16.20 | eightyeight | heh |
| 21:16.34 | eightyeight | imagine getting your water capped at 5 gallons per day |
| 21:16.35 | macnewbold | the difference between conservative water use and extravagant water use costs me a few dollars usually (aside from absurd amounts of lawn watering) |
| 21:16.39 | fugue88 | Metering internet is a bit more tricky. Do you meter incoming, outgoing, or both? Can you track only connections initiated by the consumer, or does the consumer end up paying for attacks against his own computer? |
| 21:16.48 | eightyeight | after all, if you're consuming more than that, you're not doing it right |
| 21:17.54 | fugue88 | eightyeight: Water already has a base usage level & fee, with a per-gallong fee for anything over. |
| 21:18.00 | Sargun_Screen | fugue88: I know m water was metered by flow rate and total usage. |
| 21:18.04 | fugue88 | At least where I live. |
| 21:18.08 | eightyeight | fugue88: yes, but it's much more reasonably |
| 21:18.11 | eightyeight | s/ly/le/ |
| 21:18.22 | Sargun_Screen | fugue88: Mine has an insanly low base level |
| 21:18.25 | fugue88 | eightyeight: Right, I'm pointing out that you're exaggerating the issue. |
| 21:18.31 | eightyeight | exactly |
| 21:18.47 | fugue88 | And "capped" is a loaded word that conveys the wrong meaning. |
| 21:19.00 | eightyeight | ã |
| 21:19.06 | fugue88 | tsu to you, too. :) |
| 21:22.02 | fugue88 | Sargun_Screen: What's your base level and fee? |
| 21:23.44 | fugue88 | Mine is $29.50 a month, I think for 20,000 gallons (can't find that part on this bill). |
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| 21:25.42 | Sargun_Screen | fugue88: My base level was $40/mo, but I was paying closer to $80 |
| 21:26.01 | fugue88 | Watering a yard? |
| 21:26.14 | eightyeight | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVZnwZdh-iM |
| 21:27.04 | Migs | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBb9wFP7uZM&safety_mode=true&persist_safety_mode=1 |
| 21:27.42 | Sargun_Screen | fugue88: No, living in California. |
| 21:29.51 | fugue88 | Sargun_Screen: Oh, hah! |
| 21:29.54 | Sargun_Screen | Here water is provided by the government |
| 21:30.15 | Sargun_Screen | We let them watch us on CCTV, and they give us water. |
| 21:30.23 | fugue88 | Oh, good. |
| 21:37.53 | fadein | Here's a choice blog entry from Representative John Dougall, sponsor of HB477: http://www.dynamicrange.org/2007/11/open-government.html |
| 21:38.20 | fadein | Go to the bathroom before you read the 2nd comment, though: I very nearly wet myself |
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| 21:40.04 | opapo | How do I automatically attach to an iSCSI target at boot |
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| 23:01.21 | shalkie | And boom goes the GMail. :-| Some Google Apps are experiencing difficulties. |
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