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| 17:03.45 | fadein | Does Red Hat have developers in utah? |
| 17:06.11 | jsmith | fadein: I'm sure they probably have at least one person there -- that being said, I'm not sure who said person would be |
| 17:06.15 | jsmith | fadein: Why do you ask? |
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| 17:08.30 | fadein | I read an email on the Cygwin mailist: the author's sig indicated he worked for Red Hat and had an 801 phone number |
| 17:09.38 | fadein | guess I could just send him an email and ask the source |
| 17:09.57 | jsmith | fadein: my next door neighbor has an 801 area code too -- and I live in Virginia :-p |
| 17:10.04 | jsmith | Phone numbers don't mean anything anymore |
| 17:10.12 | jsmith | fadein: But you could ask him :-) |
| 17:12.35 | goozbach | heck, I've not lived in utah for over 8 years and I still have an 801 area code |
| 17:12.56 | fadein | yeah, it's prob a cellphone |
| 17:14.14 | goozbach | and I've *NEVER* had a land line |
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| 17:18.25 | jsmith | has an 801 phone number as well, come to think of it |
| 17:18.32 | jsmith | Actually, I think I have three |
| 17:18.37 | jsmith | And none of them are cell phones |
| 17:18.49 | jsmith | has entirely too many numbers, but that's another story entirely |
| 17:19.29 | goozbach | that's a problem |
| 17:19.43 | goozbach | every time I've talked to jsmith it's been on a different number |
| 17:19.59 | goozbach | makes for managing an addressbook entry for him troublesome |
| 17:20.02 | goozbach | :) |
| 17:20.12 | jsmith | goozbach: And every time I've talked to you, it hasn't been over the phone :-p |
| 17:22.30 | goozbach | I disagree |
| 17:22.46 | goozbach | I can count three distinct events |
| 17:23.05 | goozbach | Astricon 2007, 2008 and one of the UTOS events |
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| 18:41.12 | tensai | jsmith: "former" voip geek? you're being too harsh on yourself. |
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| 18:55.59 | jsmith | tensai: Perhaps :-/ |
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| 19:50.26 | sjansen | http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201102140037 |
| 19:50.43 | sjansen | So if Google is a government conspiracy, what is FB? The cornerstone of a liberal plot to enslave the planet? |
| 19:51.29 | sjansen | Suddenly it makes sense that Zuck went to school in Mass and moved to the loonie end of Cali. |
| 19:51.48 | sjansen | But wait... does that mean elg is a spy assigned to monitor #utah?! |
| 19:52.13 | jsmith-meeting | sjansen: Obviously... |
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| 19:52.25 | sjansen | adds "buy shovel, cement, and bomb shelter blueprints" to his todo list |
| 19:52.42 | jsmith | sjansen: You no longer need a bomb shelter -- you need an internet shelter! |
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| 20:07.18 | Jayce^ | refers sjansen to his new house.. |
| 20:07.22 | Jayce^ | we won't talk about the basement in the old one.. |
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| 20:12.07 | Gate | sjansen: what, you aren't already prepared for black helicopter day? Shame on you. |
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| 20:21.32 | jsmith | Jayce^: So, let's hear about the new one :-p |
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| 20:46.58 | sjansen | Once upon a time, I'm pretty sure I made the statement "NetworkManager on servers won't be a big deal. I'm sure they'll test if well." |
| 20:47.09 | sjansen | would like to now officially eat his words |
| 20:47.14 | goozbach | sjansen: I recall that statment |
| 20:49.55 | jsmith | sjansen: I'd eath those words with a little hot sauce, if I were you :-( |
| 20:49.59 | jsmith | s/eath/eat/ |
| 20:54.30 | Jayce^ | jsmith: you see the pics on FB at all? |
| 20:55.10 | Jayce^ | did the "hanging garage" for the whole garage.. amazing space |
| 20:55.17 | jsmith | Jayce^: Nope -- I guess I should go look, but the elg would have a conduit into my network! |
| 20:55.27 | jsmith | Jayce^: Oooooh.... nice :-) |
| 20:55.44 | Jayce^ | wonders if that was enough of a quote for goozbach and jsmith to start hearing gilligans island in their head.. <amazing grace...> |
| 20:56.17 | jsmith | Jayce^: Doesn't work on me, but I know goozbach has the earworm now |
| 20:56.33 | jsmith | Jayce^: He's very sensitive :-p |
| 20:56.40 | goozbach | toot toot!! |
| 20:56.47 | Jayce^ | it's the pregnancy hormones |
| 20:56.54 | goozbach | hah! |
| 20:57.02 | Jayce^ | jsmith: check out my 'mobile uploads' for a bunch of progress pics |
| 20:57.21 | Jayce^ | they poured the patio and cap to the garage yesterday, and have been waiting on the trusses |
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| 21:00.03 | vontrapp | Jayce^: what's this "hanging garage" thing anyway, I googled (oops! sorry Glenn!) and couldn't find anything on it, not even on wikipedia |
| 21:00.25 | Jayce^ | vontrapp: the basement underneath the garage is excavated |
| 21:00.49 | Gate | I am building a biodome under my pool. |
| 21:00.53 | Jayce^ | then using "engineering" they place the garage on top |
| 21:01.07 | Jayce^ | was funny when I had to explain it to the agent at first when describing what I wanted |
| 21:01.18 | Jayce^ | spandrel concrete would be a handy google term |
| 21:01.44 | vontrapp | is that those huge slabs, 10x40 or whatever the dimensions are? |
| 21:01.50 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 21:01.52 | vontrapp | we hung a bunch of those for our house in santa fe |
| 21:02.18 | Jayce^ | older styles of this used just the steel panels.. they did that on our under-patio storage still |
| 21:02.46 | Jayce^ | but larger areas that's way pricey.. this way we have a single I-beam in the back, where the 'nook' is in the garage |
| 21:03.18 | vontrapp | the i-beam for our house was directly above my bed, on the top bunk |
| 21:03.19 | Jayce^ | 9' tall basement room, all concrete.. cold storage dream (and great for building a theater :) |
| 21:03.23 | vontrapp | hit my head not a few times on that |
| 21:04.06 | Jayce^ | our builder was very leery of adding this in to the house, needed cash up front :( |
| 21:04.12 | Jayce^ | then the appraiser came out.. |
| 21:04.29 | Jayce^ | he informed them of the value of this kind of room specifically in UT :) Way more value than cost here |
| 21:04.43 | Jayce^ | now the builder wants to offer it more |
| 21:04.48 | vontrapp | ooh, dibs on "Smileys" |
| 21:04.51 | vontrapp | j/k |
| 21:06.02 | vontrapp | i so want to build my own house... |
| 21:06.14 | vontrapp | Jayce^: got a lot next to you? :) |
| 21:06.24 | Jayce^ | yup.. |
| 21:06.30 | Jayce^ | we're the first one there |
| 21:06.38 | vontrapp | whereabouts? |
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| 21:06.41 | Jayce^ | though neybar is looking at going in across the street |
| 21:06.47 | Jayce^ | the ranches |
| 21:06.58 | Jayce^ | right as it goes to the larger lots |
| 21:07.31 | vontrapp | a little bit far for my work :( |
| 21:07.49 | Jayce^ | so my street is all 1/3 to 1/2 acre, and across from it is all 2 acre then larger |
| 21:08.02 | Jayce^ | heh, me too (south provo), but the new roads have made it handy |
| 21:08.08 | Jayce^ | right between the two |
| 21:08.22 | vontrapp | i'm up north, no helpful new roads in that direction |
| 21:08.44 | Jayce^ | actually they just widened redwood, and are finishing 2100.. |
| 21:08.52 | Jayce^ | the new corridor is a couple years out though |
| 21:09.39 | vontrapp | widened where? when? seems the same to me, except that small stretch up to about 10400N |
| 21:10.01 | Jayce^ | bangerter to saratoga |
| 21:10.09 | Jayce^ | actually all the way to pioneer crossing |
| 21:11.22 | vontrapp | hmm, i guess i didn't drive the north side of redwood enough to notice |
| 21:11.56 | vontrapp | what is 2100? |
| 21:12.15 | Jayce^ | 2100 N Lehi, going from that north exit across the valley |
| 21:13.13 | vontrapp | ah that one, ok |
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| 21:17.36 | Jayce^ | so anybody that loves good food would want to be our neighbor :) |
| 21:18.20 | jsmith | Jayce^: I'm getting fat just thinking about being your neighbor |
| 21:18.39 | Jayce^ | neybar made some amazing bacon and a pastrami the other day... mmmmmmm |
| 21:18.52 | levi | Mmmm. |
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| 21:20.10 | jsmith | Jayce^: My wife just walked in the door with a beautiful loaf of pumpernickel :-) |
| 21:20.36 | Jayce^ | now, what are you going to do with it? |
| 21:21.00 | jnbek|wc | mmmm pumpernickel |
| 21:21.07 | jsmith | Jayce^: Trying to decide -- I'm seeing a Reuben in my future for sure, though. |
| 21:21.38 | levi | Mmm, Reuben sandwiches. |
| 21:21.48 | Jayce^ | should ping eggyknap for some of his sourkraut |
| 21:23.03 | jsmith | Jayce^: And now they've got me talking churrasco in #uphpu -- you folks are all evil! |
| 21:23.17 | Jayce^ | but you knew this already |
| 21:24.11 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.14 | Jayce^ | needs to figure out the correct size of briskit to corn..so a) plenty of 'boiled dinner", followed by b) Hash the next morning and c) a pastrami in the smoker |
| 21:24.35 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:25.09 | eggyknap | mmm... a reuben would be awesome right about now. |
| 21:25.21 | sjansen | needs someone to hug him and tell him everything will be okay |
| 21:25.42 | Jayce^ | sjansen: no, it just will get worse.. it always does |
| 21:25.47 | elg | ~attack sjansen |
| 21:25.47 | ibot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing sjansen |
| 21:26.17 | sjansen | Hurray, a distraction! |
| 21:26.20 | sjansen | runs for his life |
| 21:28.15 | Jayce^ | sjansen: if you want real fun, jnbek|wc is one of the folks here who's had to clean up perl code written by a java dev.. some of the worst I've seen |
| 21:28.25 | jsmith | sjansen: Could be worse -- he could have called out to xmlstarlet for his XML processing :-p |
| 21:28.40 | jnbek|wc | cracks a migraine |
| 21:29.31 | jnbek|wc | i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy... |
| 21:29.39 | jnbek|wc | that was just plain wrong.. |
| 21:30.19 | Jayce^ | exactly why sjansen needs to see it :-p |
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| 21:32.30 | jsmith | Jayce^: So harsh, yet so true :-p |
| 21:41.25 | 13WAA4PUD | Jayce^: You pulling your own low voltage wiring? |
| 21:41.33 | RyanE | sorry 'bout that. |
| 21:42.06 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 21:42.09 | Jayce^ | want to help? |
| 21:42.19 | Jayce^ | last time I did it was in my current place :) |
| 21:42.33 | Jayce^ | almost 10 years ago |
| 21:42.37 | RyanE | depends on when... |
| 21:42.47 | Jayce^ | right now the date we have is the 26th |
| 21:42.48 | RyanE | Yeah, we've been in our house for 10 years this summer. |
| 21:43.04 | RyanE | What are you running? |
| 21:43.34 | Jayce^ | cat6, conduit, hdmi, speaker. |
| 21:43.45 | Jayce^ | getting some other ideas this weekend from some friends that are installers |
| 21:43.52 | RyanE | speaker all running to central location? |
| 21:44.02 | Jayce^ | the cat6, yes |
| 21:44.09 | RyanE | and the speaker wire? |
| 21:44.17 | Jayce^ | mostly per-room.. |
| 21:44.24 | RyanE | just curious if you're wiring for centralized audio. |
| 21:44.26 | Jayce^ | and some outside from the center |
| 21:44.28 | RyanE | I guess not. |
| 21:44.43 | Jayce^ | been debating that, not sure yet |
| 21:45.10 | levi | Before too long, cat6 will be the audio wire. ;) |
| 21:45.29 | RyanE | I think it already is, but the endpoints are more expensive than traditional multi-room audio, IMHO. |
| 21:45.40 | vontrapp_ | i want speakers in each room to where each room can independently be an audio output from any computer on the network |
| 21:45.43 | vontrapp_ | possible? |
| 21:46.06 | RyanE | yeah, but you'd need low-voltage audio inputs in each room going back to the 'head end' as well. |
| 21:46.22 | RyanE | i.e. inputs in each room go to a switcher in the basement, the switcher's outputs are the room speakers. |
| 21:46.40 | RyanE | or do you mean the music is *streamed* off shares on the computers? |
| 21:46.45 | vontrapp_ | and the computers can "dial in" to the switcher and tell it which output to use? |
| 21:47.08 | RyanE | eh, I'm very 'traditional' multi-room audio, since I work for Control4. |
| 21:47.23 | RyanE | there's a controller that switches the right input to the right outputs. |
| 21:47.30 | RyanE | but the computers could control it. |
| 21:47.30 | vontrapp_ | well, i would want mpd mainly, with "outputs" i think it calls them, where from the mpd client you can enable disable outputs, where each output would be a room |
| 21:48.14 | RyanE | Yeah, that you could do all over your network. |
| 21:48.22 | vontrapp_ | but it would be cool, too, to be able to listen to one mpd session in one room, and another in a different room |
| 21:48.47 | vontrapp_ | or show someone a video clip on your lappy, but have the audio over the room speakers :) |
| 21:48.55 | RyanE | The biggest 'win' for traditional multi-room is that if you're doing party mode, all the zones will truly be playing at the same time. |
| 21:49.25 | RyanE | just curious. Fun. Jayce^:, you should make it a PLUG activity... :) |
| 21:49.29 | levi | I've been working with a group that's getting the Audio-Video Bridging standards going in IEEE, so ethernet will natively understand low-latency audio/video streaming. |
| 21:49.39 | RyanE | that'll be nice. |
| 21:49.45 | vontrapp_ | oh i would so be on that plug meeting! :) |
| 21:49.47 | Jayce^ | RyanE: yeah, but do I want sjansen knowing where my house is? |
| 21:49.53 | levi | The core standards are all finished now, and at least one of them has been published. |
| 21:49.57 | Jayce^ | welcomes free labor :) |
| 21:50.09 | RyanE | without it being a full standard, it's difficult to get the sync right... |
| 21:50.26 | RyanE | Jayce^: shame you can't ply him with enough liquor to forget where he was pulling at. |
| 21:51.08 | Jayce^ | if I could do that, I would have already used it to set up pics of him and harleypig |
| 21:51.15 | RyanE | HAH! |
| 21:51.21 | levi | RyanE: The sync is based on IEEE 1588, which is already a full standard. The trick is getting it (and the stream reservation/QoS stuff) implemented in consumer-grade network switches. |
| 21:51.21 | RyanE | *and* ewwww... :) |
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| 21:52.24 | levi | RyanE: In an AVB network, all the rooms will be playing at the same time, too. |
| 21:52.54 | RyanE | yep. |
| 21:52.55 | levi | Plus, you can have streaming video that goes along with it, too. |
| 21:53.04 | vontrapp_ | http://www.whoisjohnboehner.blogspot.com/ |
| 21:53.21 | RyanE | levi: interesting stuff. |
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| 21:54.24 | levi | And no extra wires, though you'll have to have a little AVB amp in the room to drive the speakers. But that's not much different from amplifying low-voltage audio anyway. |
| 21:55.37 | levi | vontrapp_: Clearly that's the sort of thing Glenn Beck was warning people about Google showing them. :P |
| 21:56.21 | vontrapp_ | of course, beck can't have his viewers becoming stuck in some *other* echo chamber |
| 21:56.39 | vontrapp_ | gotta keep them at home |
| 21:57.27 | levi | I'd much rather talk about AVB networking than silly web pages about politicians or pundits, though. |
| 21:57.42 | vontrapp_ | rightly so, carry on |
| 21:58.07 | vontrapp_ | i just found the oompa loompa thing quite funny |
| 21:58.26 | levi | I tend to ramble on endlessly about it, though, so I'm going to refrain from that too unless people ask me questions. ;) |
| 21:58.41 | vontrapp_ | so, levi, what's this AVB thing? |
| 21:59.12 | levi | http://www.ieee802.org/1/pages/avbridges.html |
| 21:59.31 | vontrapp_ | oh, A/V bridge, that makes sense |
| 21:59.58 | jsmith | levi: Still working on sctp stuff? |
| 22:00.02 | vontrapp_ | is it supposed to work reasonably well over 802.11 also? |
| 22:00.46 | levi | I wasn't ever working on sctp, actually. There's a bit of domain overlap between sctp and what I'm working on, though. |
| 22:01.31 | levi | vontrapp_: It's supposed to, but 802.11 imposes some limitations due to its nature. I think it won't be supported in 802.11 until a later 802.11 standard. |
| 22:02.06 | levi | I don't recall the details of that, since I don't go to the IEEE meetings and 802.11 isn't relevant to my job. |
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| 22:04.28 | jsmith | levi: Ah, gotcha |
| 22:04.44 | jsmith | sjansen: That Django code got the best of you, I see :-p |
| 22:04.58 | jsmith | sjansen: You had to go take a shower just to feel human again? |
| 22:05.56 | levi | We primarily use a layer 2 transport protocol, AVBTP, aka IEEE 1722. |
| 22:09.10 | levi | IEEE 1722 is largely a way to do IEEE 1394-style audio encapsulation/formatting over ethernet, though there are also some non-1394 formats as well. |
| 22:09.39 | levi | (1394 talks about media over firewire) |
| 22:11.17 | levi | I was working on getting a generic 1722 wireshark dissector written in my spare time at home, but I ended up getting sidetracked a while ago and I haven't got back to it yet. |
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| 22:12.48 | levi | There's currently one in there (which I helped write), but it doesn't understand the full protocol and doesn't really look at the encapsulated media like the other media streaming dissectors in Wireshark do. |
| 22:18.53 | levi | The wikipedia article on AVB is pretty good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Video_Bridging |
| 22:19.23 | jsmith | levi: Yeah, we want to be able to play the audio from within our wireshark captures, like we do w/ VoIP :-P |
| 22:19.49 | levi | I'll get right on that if someone wants to pay me to do it. :) |
| 22:29.36 | sjansen | My favorite line: $dbc=pg_connect(...) or die("Unable to connect to MySQL server"); |
| 22:30.04 | jsmith | sjansen: Ouch... |
| 22:31.14 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.22 | JoshH | hehe |
| 22:32.18 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.19 | JoshH | i wonder how some of the horrible programmers out there ever actually get anything working |
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| 22:44.41 | vontrapp_ | "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. |
| 22:44.41 | vontrapp_ | Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by |
| 22:44.43 | vontrapp_ | definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan" |
| 22:44.45 | vontrapp_ | that's how |
| 22:45.05 | vontrapp_ | the horrible programmers write deplorable code so that they CAN debug it ;) |
| 23:17.56 | unum | that's a good quote |
| 23:18.07 | unum | I try not to be too clever |
| 23:25.52 | vontrapp_ | would it be bad to use epel5 packages with rhel6? |
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| 23:40.46 | sjansen | vontrapp_: Depends on the package, but in general it's unlikely to end in anything good. |
| 23:54.02 | kiloforce | . |