| 00:00.06 | dfinn | I though bambara would be a winner but there's only 1 vegeterian dinner plate |
| 00:00.24 | eightyeight | thai siam is really good. they're on state |
| 00:00.28 | dfinn | i'll check that out |
| 00:00.37 | eightyeight | they have a decent vegetarian spread |
| 00:00.42 | dfinn | hoping to find something on the fancier side too since it's a special occasion |
| 00:00.50 | eightyeight | there is also himalayan kitchen downtown on 4th |
| 00:01.04 | eightyeight | they have a great vegetarian menu as well |
| 00:01.21 | eightyeight | hmm. both are nice, good atmosphere, but very "mom-and-pop" style |
| 00:01.38 | dfinn | yeah, I think since it's a special occasion I was hoping for something a little more upscale |
| 00:01.41 | eightyeight | nice, but you can tell it's not 5-star, if you know what i mean |
| 00:01.49 | dfinn | gotcha |
| 00:02.21 | eightyeight | what's the occasion? |
| 00:02.46 | dfinn | v-day = valentines day |
| 00:02.55 | dfinn | sorry, maybe I wasn't too cleear |
| 00:02.58 | dfinn | clear even |
| 00:03.06 | eightyeight | ah, yeah |
| 00:04.02 | smcquay | vegitarian at the melting pot! |
| 00:04.29 | dfinn | melting pot is a tough one, she's not a huge cheese fan |
| 00:04.55 | dfinn | how about the shallow shaft? anyone been there? website says they will make vegi meals upon request. |
| 00:05.16 | eightyeight | haven't been there |
| 00:07.09 | eightyeight | i've never been to oasis cafe, but i hear it's good |
| 00:08.31 | dharmatech | dfinn: martine cafe has a v-day prix fixe. great food and ambience w/out being "fancy" |
| 00:08.45 | dfinn | thank you, googling that now... |
| 00:09.23 | smcquay | dfinn: sorry, yeah, should've explicitly wrapped that in <sarcasm> ... i appreciate vegitarian and french foods, but they're ofttimes mutually exclusive |
| 00:10.11 | dfinn | they do actually do a vegeterian thing there, I know she's said she's been there before but wasn't too into it. |
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| 00:11.26 | dharmatech | eva, just down the street has nice tapas as well. some veggie options. |
| 00:11.39 | dharmatech | http://www.evaslc.com/Mediterranian_Menu_Wine_List_Eva_Salt_Lake_City_Utah_UT.html |
| 00:12.06 | dharmatech | mazza (original at 15th/15th) is nice. |
| 00:12.25 | dfinn | we love mazza! kind of go there on a regular basis though. |
| 00:12.49 | dharmatech | fresco? |
| 00:12.58 | dharmatech | http://www.frescoitaliancafe.com/ |
| 00:13.00 | dfinn | never been there |
| 00:13.22 | dharmatech | oasis cafe? |
| 00:13.25 | dfinn | that looks familiar, I think I tried to go there last year but was making reservations too late and they were full |
| 00:13.31 | dfinn | oasis was mentioned |
| 00:13.51 | dharmatech | chanon thai has the best thai in town. |
| 00:14.01 | eightyeight | i disagree |
| 00:14.03 | eightyeight | ã |
| 00:14.07 | dharmatech | not fancy or upscale, but very pleasant. |
| 00:14.16 | eightyeight | thai siam is king |
| 00:14.17 | smcquay | my vegan sister-in-law recommends a place called vesuvius ... but, once again, not upscale |
| 00:14.29 | eightyeight | i've been to vesuvius. it's good |
| 00:14.42 | dharmatech | eightyeight: that's your right. :) but I've been spent ~8 months in thailand and it's the most authentic. |
| 00:15.12 | dfinn | you guys are awesome, now I've got too many choices :) |
| 00:15.13 | eightyeight | well, i don't think he's willing to spend a multi-day plane trip just for dinner. ã |
| 00:15.23 | dfinn | I wish I had that kind of cash flow |
| 00:15.31 | dharmatech | :) |
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| 00:15.52 | dharmatech | I was there as a dirt bag backpacker... thailand is cheap. |
| 00:16.30 | eightyeight | waits for the storm to settle before heading home |
| 00:17.02 | dfinn | I think it's supposed to snow until sometime tomorrow |
| 00:17.43 | eightyeight | maybe i should leave before it freezes over then |
| 00:17.47 | eightyeight | i just don't want to deal with traffic |
| 00:18.10 | dfinn | loves living 6 miles from work |
| 00:18.47 | eightyeight | normally, i'm on trax and frontrunner. but i had to get at a meeting early today, and didn't have the time for public transit |
| 00:18.57 | eightyeight | otherwise, i would just work out my shift |
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| 00:22.51 | TimRiker | is |
| 00:25.06 | eightyeight | nay |
| 00:26.52 | dfinn | is not |
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| 18:31.48 | tarrant | What is the gnuism to move all files and hidden files in a directory to another directory? |
| 18:33.09 | eightyeight | mv dir/{*,.??*} dest/ |
| 18:33.20 | tarrant | Thanks. |
| 18:33.28 | eightyeight | np |
| 18:37.37 | clsimons | Why {*,.??*} instead of {*,.*} ? |
| 18:37.58 | eightyeight | because i want to guarantee at least one character after .. |
| 18:39.08 | fugue88 | Don't try to move .. |
| 18:39.34 | eightyeight | exactly |
| 18:39.39 | clsimons | I see. |
| 18:39.46 | bonez2046 | one can't move '..' can one? |
| 18:40.02 | fugue88 | One can. |
| 18:40.19 | fugue88 | It's simply an alias to the parent directory. |
| 18:40.22 | Sargun_Screen | How does child support work across countries? |
| 18:41.02 | fugue88 | Sargun_Screen: I think NFS supports file locking. |
| 18:42.30 | fugue88 | bonez2046: Hmm, maybe not using mv at the prompt. |
| 18:43.25 | bonez2046 | will the mv dir/{*,.??*} dest/ move all files, including any subdirectories as well? or just files in that explicit directory? |
| 18:44.57 | eightyeight | mv is recursive by default |
| 18:46.46 | fugue88 | bonez2046: In *nix land, directories don't contain files, they contain references to files (and to other directories). |
| 18:47.16 | fugue88 | So moving a dir simply removes a reference to that dir from the original parent, and places a reference to it in the new parent. |
| 18:47.25 | fugue88 | Bam! All children appear to have moved with it. |
| 18:49.23 | eightyeight | directories are just files themselves |
| 18:49.25 | bonez2046 | thanks.. |
| 18:50.00 | eightyeight | they only contain file entries, and their appropriate inode, as fugue88 mentioned |
| 18:50.05 | bonez2046 | and this file structure is what allows linux to perform well without necessitating defragmentation, right? |
| 18:50.11 | eightyeight | the files themselved don't actually move, unless going to another fs |
| 18:50.32 | eightyeight | not really. fragmentation is a bit different |
| 18:50.44 | Sargun_Screen | fugue88: uhm...interesting? |
| 18:50.57 | eightyeight | the ext-family of filesystems uses an algorithm that minimizes fragmentation |
| 18:51.10 | Sargun_Screen | XFS > EXT3 for fragmentations. |
| 18:51.49 | eightyeight | E.G.: ntfs takes a file, and sees the first available spot to place any part of the file, even if it means splitting the file across the fs |
| 18:51.49 | bonez2046 | ok.. I am running ext4 so that's good, right? or are you saying XFS beats EXT for fragmentation issues |
| 18:52.03 | Sargun_Screen | eightyeight: that's not true. |
| 18:52.15 | eightyeight | ext2/3/4 looks at the size of the file, and find the first available spot to fit the entire file |
| 18:52.53 | Sargun_Screen | eightyeight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extent_%28file_systems%29 |
| 18:52.57 | Sargun_Screen | ext4 |
| 18:53.00 | eightyeight | Sargun_Screen: essentially, it is |
| 18:53.05 | Sargun_Screen | NTFS does that too. |
| 18:53.25 | bonez2046 | how does XFS manage file storage then? what if I create a new document and I add and add more to it, let's say .log file.. the FS doesn't know how large that file might grow.. |
| 18:53.31 | fugue88 | Sargun_Screen: That's correct about the filesystems. |
| 18:53.42 | fugue88 | Sargun_Screen: btw, you're questions was interesting too. :) |
| 18:54.02 | Sargun_Screen | fugue88: Error: Syntax Error |
| 18:54.25 | Sargun_Screen | bonez2046: Read: Extents |
| 18:54.32 | fugue88 | s/ions/ion/ |
| 18:54.47 | bonez2046 | so as long as i have 'extent' enabled, in my ext4 installation, then I am getting a better storage option |
| 18:54.51 | Sargun_Screen | bonez2046: EXT4, XFS, NTFS support extents |
| 18:55.18 | Sargun_Screen | bonez2046: yep |
| 18:55.30 | bonez2046 | cool! |
| 18:56.48 | Sargun_Screen | fugue88: Well, if I were to knock up my british girlfriend (in GBR), could I run to the states and be safe |
| 18:57.00 | bonez2046 | safe from ??? |
| 18:57.14 | Sargun_Screen | bonez2046: Also, delayed allocation |
| 18:57.18 | Sargun_Screen | bonez2046: Child support |
| 18:57.43 | fugue88 | Sargun_Screen: A more important question is, would you be safe from her? |
| 18:57.52 | Sargun_Screen | fugue88: In what context? |
| 18:58.08 | fugue88 | The one you'd be creating. |
| 18:58.10 | fugue88 | :) |
| 18:58.47 | Sargun_Screen | What recourse would it have on me |
| 18:58.56 | Sargun_Screen | legal recourse |
| 18:59.24 | fugue88 | Sargun_Screen: angry girlfriend + airplane ticket + buying a knife state-side = bad end for Sargun_Screen |
| 18:59.39 | goozbach | Sargun_Screen: the right answer is to man up to your choices |
| 18:59.54 | goozbach | I don't know if they can come after you here in the states for support |
| 19:00.12 | goozbach | but you may be forfieting any chance to return to GBR |
| 19:00.38 | Sargun_Screen | fugue88: I have an interest in knives, locks, computers, explosivs and fire. I think I win. |
| 19:01.01 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: Just curious as to the legal ramifications |
| 19:01.18 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: I wouldn't forfeit it, just owe back child support |
| 19:01.24 | eightyeight | Sargun_Screen: you're only concerned about the legal ramifications ,and not your ethical values? |
| 19:01.32 | eightyeight | remind me not to do business with you |
| 19:01.45 | bonez2046 | tip from Mr. Assange.. just stay OUT OF SWEDEN.. |
| 19:03.17 | goozbach | you're not gonna get much legal advice here. |
| 19:03.49 | Sargun_Screen | eightyeight: What's wrong with covering your ass? |
| 19:03.59 | fugue88 | Sargun_Screen: Cover the other side. |
| 19:04.08 | Sargun_Screen | fugue88: It's your, not you're |
| 19:04.11 | sontek | I don't think they'll come for you but next time you are in GBR you'll probaly have a warrant out for your arrest |
| 19:04.18 | eightyeight | what's wrong with keeping your rocket in your pocket? |
| 19:04.36 | bonez2046 | nothing wrong with that.. I just think it important to consider all the players.. you, your girlfriend and your child.. |
| 19:04.37 | goozbach | Sargun_Screen: there's cover your ass, then there's being a real man and living with the concequences of your actions |
| 19:04.52 | sontek | I understand everyones situation is different, but I know I've already started giving up things I enjoy to start saving for my unborn child |
| 19:04.54 | fugue88 | ~goozbach++ |
| 19:05.04 | sontek | so, you should probably start eating dollar menu and catch up on that support |
| 19:06.06 | goozbach | if the phrase is "knocking a girl up" you're probabally not mature enough to handle the responsibilty of bringing a life into this world. therefore you should not go around doing things which lead to the situation |
| 19:06.58 | goozbach | suddenly rememberd that "I didn't mean to knock her up" was the exact phrase sontek used when replying to a comment about his pregnant wife |
| 19:07.08 | Sargun_Screen | hah |
| 19:07.12 | sontek | If my child was in GBR, theres no chance in hell I'd be in the US |
| 19:07.31 | goozbach | so I exempt him from his use of that phrase and my previous statement, but the rule still stands |
| 19:07.32 | sontek | goozbach: :D But I used it in a joking way! |
| 19:07.40 | Sargun_Screen | If you look at the economics of the situation, there is really no reason to own up to it |
| 19:08.17 | goozbach | Sargun_Screen: you had sex which lead to pregnancy, there's no other reason than that to own up to it |
| 19:08.29 | sontek | Sargun_Screen: Its your child, what other reason do you need? |
| 19:08.41 | Sargun_Screen | Okay, first of all, I do not have a child. |
| 19:08.53 | goozbach | hypothetically speaking of course |
| 19:08.56 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:09.15 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: One of my friends brought it up, and I was wondering if anyone knew about it |
| 19:09.54 | eightyeight | tell you what,have a kid then let my wife and I apt it |
| 19:10.03 | goozbach | 1) running to a different country because of *ANYTHING* you've done == not the right thing to do |
| 19:10.15 | eightyeight | seeing as though we can't have kids |
| 19:10.19 | eightyeight | deal? |
| 19:10.23 | sontek | Sargun_Screen: legally speaking, there aren't many crimes that a state/country will extradite for I don't think |
| 19:10.23 | Sargun_Screen | eightyeight: I'm sorry :-( |
| 19:10.28 | Sargun_Screen | eightyeight: Why not? |
| 19:10.33 | eightyeight | adopt I meant |
| 19:10.43 | goozbach | 2) if you're worried about paying child support, keep it in your pants. |
| 19:10.55 | goozbach | 3) if you can't keep it in your pants, use protection |
| 19:10.59 | Sargun_Screen | sontek: I know stuff like tax fraud they are able to hunt you down across state lines. |
| 19:11.09 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: 3 is taken care of. |
| 19:11.13 | goozbach | 4) if protection fails, man up and live with the concequences |
| 19:12.35 | sontek | We have our 20week appt tomorrow! Can't wait to see the little munchkin again :D |
| 19:12.40 | Sargun_Screen | eightyeight: IVF? |
| 19:13.18 | Sargun_Screen | eightyeight: What's your opinion of the legal framework behind adoption |
| 19:13.22 | eightyeight | Sargun_Screen: deal? |
| 19:13.43 | sontek | Sargun_Screen: and if you don't want to keep it in your pants and don't want to use protection, make sure you are with a liberal pro-choice woman ;) |
| 19:13.52 | sontek | adoption is *expensive* |
| 19:14.07 | goozbach | it saddens me that it's so difficult to adopt |
| 19:14.11 | macnewbold | not always - we're about to adopt two kids via the foster care system |
| 19:14.15 | eightyeight | I wish more birth mothers would look at adoption than abortion |
| 19:14.27 | macnewbold | not that it isn't difficult, but at least it isn't anywhere near as expensive |
| 19:14.32 | fugue88 | macnewbold: Congrats! |
| 19:14.37 | goozbach | macnewbold: it's still expensive in terms of dificulty |
| 19:14.46 | macnewbold | it has its complications, absolutely |
| 19:14.52 | sontek | We were researching adopting a baby because we want 2 children but figured it'd be best to adopt the 2nd rather than make another |
| 19:14.54 | macnewbold | fugue88: thanks! |
| 19:14.56 | sontek | and its so expensive |
| 19:15.04 | Sargun_Screen | sontek: Adoption has lots of problems. One of my buddies looked at domestic adoption, but he was advised by his lawyer not to. |
| 19:15.18 | macnewbold | legal advice should be taken as exactly that - advice |
| 19:15.33 | macnewbold | just be cause a lawyer advises it doesn't mean its the best course of action |
| 19:16.00 | macnewbold | and adoption via foster care / dcfs is a different beast than a lot of other kinds of adoption |
| 19:16.06 | Sargun_Screen | macnewbold: Lawyers give pretty damn good advice. |
| 19:16.17 | macnewbold | in our case, the birth parents parental rights finally got terminated |
| 19:16.26 | macnewbold | Sargun_Screen: not necessarily |
| 19:16.35 | eightyeight | Sargun_Screen: depends entirely on the lawyer |
| 19:16.40 | Sargun_Screen | macnewbold: I've never had a lawyer's advise to CYA be useless |
| 19:16.43 | macnewbold | they generally take a very limited perspective of the issue - namely, the legal perspectives |
| 19:16.55 | Sargun_Screen | macnewbold: which in many situations is the most important |
| 19:17.09 | macnewbold | Sargun_Screen: CYA isn't always the best course of action - it might be the safest at times, but isn't always the right thing to do |
| 19:17.22 | eightyeight | or the most profitable |
| 19:17.48 | sontek | Lets organize #babylug and bring all our children together to create the next generation of linux hackers |
| 19:18.12 | Sargun_Screen | macnewbold: well, what's "right" |
| 19:18.15 | eightyeight | heh |
| 19:18.30 | bonez2046 | so many problems, so easily mitigated in a traditional family |
| 19:18.37 | macnewbold | the most annoying legal advice to me is the stuff that takes a very low risk possibility (<1% for example) and suggests you go to extreme measures/costs to CYA to protect against that very low risk concern |
| 19:18.41 | eightyeight | sontek: sounds like a plan |
| 19:18.47 | macnewbold | bonez2046: amen |
| 19:19.25 | Sargun_Screen | macnewbold: lots of lawyers will tell you what the likelihood of each issue is |
| 19:20.09 | bonez2046 | not that traditional families are perfect or without troubles, but the trust, the security, et al are important fixtures of such |
| 19:20.15 | Sargun_Screen | bonez2046: Eh? |
| 19:20.33 | bonez2046 | Sargun_Screen: lawyers, anyone can recite the trends.. and patterns. |
| 19:20.40 | Sargun_Screen | bonez2046: what's a traditional family? |
| 19:21.35 | sontek | well, back onto other things about child support... My wife's parents just got divorced and she has a 13yr old brother. Her mom is getting like $1300/month in child support alone. What defines how much someone gets for child support? |
| 19:21.52 | bonez2046 | in order to create a family, to propagate the human species.. one has to have a mother, and a father.... who then create children. |
| 19:21.54 | tarrant | It is based off of needs and ability to pay |
| 19:22.11 | tarrant | So if you have a really rich father the father is "capable" of paying large sums of money. Therefore he does. |
| 19:22.24 | sontek | Even if the need isn't there? |
| 19:22.26 | bonez2046 | Sargun_Screen: a mother, a father and children.. it's not as Obummer wishes. Parent 1 and Parent 2.. |
| 19:22.59 | tarrant | sontek: From what I've seen. I don't pay child support and am not a lawyer so I could be wrong. |
| 19:23.10 | tarrant | I also think it depends upon who earns more. |
| 19:23.29 | sontek | Yeah, I agree a man should man up and pay what he owes, but from watching this divorce pan out, her father is getting raped by the system |
| 19:24.01 | sontek | Hes paying like $2500 in alimony and $1300 in child support a month |
| 19:24.17 | tarrant | There are more than a few cases imo where the father is getting ripped off. |
| 19:24.36 | sontek | When mortage is only $1500/month and the are ahead on it |
| 19:25.52 | sontek | So even though I agree with the man up discussion from earlier, I think sometimes the father isn't treated fairly |
| 19:28.24 | Sargun_Screen | bonez2046: and what about people that want a kid that aren't an F and M in a marriage? |
| 19:28.25 | bonez2046 | ultimately, the child gets 'screwed' most in these situations.. and rarely does either 'parent' consider the child's needs but focus mostly on their own personal convenience.. to murderous conclusion in terms of abortion , not in all cases but in many |
| 19:29.02 | bonez2046 | Sargun_Screen: great question... I don't have a great answer for it |
| 19:30.08 | Sargun_Screen | bonez2046: well, do you think people can deviate from the traditional family, and still be happy |
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| 19:33.04 | sontek | I think the hardest part of a child having 2 fathers or 2 mothers would be the school kids making fun of him |
| 19:33.30 | bonez2046 | I think anyone can be happy, sure.. though I firmly believe the basic functional foundation of any society is this traditional family.. |
| 19:33.32 | sontek | kids can be cruel and it could be hard to deal |
| 19:33.35 | Sargun_Screen | sontek: or 1 father or 1 mother? |
| 19:33.54 | bonez2046 | kids are cruel.. there's no can or may about it.. |
| 19:33.56 | sontek | Sargun_Screen: No one gets made fun of for only having a mother or father |
| 19:34.12 | sontek | Sargun_Screen: but if you had parent teacher conferences and 2 guys walked in, I don't think you'd hear the end of it |
| 19:34.21 | Sargun_Screen | sontek: but according to bonez2046, one parent != good |
| 19:34.43 | bonez2046 | a single parent raising kids.. is common, but that doesn't make that situation ideal.. |
| 19:34.52 | fugue88 | agrees with bonez2046 |
| 19:35.11 | sontek | I was raised by a single mother, she struggled to support us, but that was more ideal than having my father in the picture |
| 19:35.21 | Sargun_Screen | Agreed, but does it result in a family falling apart? |
| 19:35.27 | sontek | which I realized after deciding to live with him for a year |
| 19:35.29 | JoshH | sontek: i think that would gradually become less of an issue as time goes by and more people in society are used to that sort of thing |
| 19:35.40 | JoshH | imagine when an interracial couple walked in 50 years ago |
| 19:35.54 | sontek | JoshH: thats true |
| 19:36.07 | bonez2046 | in the best of marriages... marriage is difficult if not impossible. add in children and problems and challenges multiply.. add in ex this and his and hers child this and step that.. and the challenges expand exponentially |
| 19:36.13 | sontek | JoshH: My grandma didn't get to come to my high school graduation because my sisters boyfriend was black :P |
| 19:36.21 | sontek | she was not a fan of that |
| 19:36.36 | Sargun_Screen | bonez2046: Not exponentially! Stop using math words in ways you don't know |
| 19:36.54 | Sargun_Screen | sontek: *sister's |
| 19:36.58 | bonez2046 | sontek: exactly... often I see single parent families where, by force/choice/fate, all have to work together harder creating a better outcome |
| 19:36.58 | fugue88 | Combinatorially, bonez2046. ;) |
| 19:37.27 | Sargun_Screen | bonez2046: Exponential growth = e^x+c |
| 19:38.09 | sontek | But my mom was able to support all of us children without my dad paying child support and watching her do that is what taught me responsibility and how to work hard |
| 19:38.26 | Sargun_Screen | sontek: Cool |
| 19:38.27 | fugue88 | Combinatorially » exponentially » linearly, etc. And I'd call bonez2046's example combinatorial. |
| 19:38.50 | sontek | so I think that untraditional family is good character building :} |
| 19:39.32 | sontek | Especially now that I get to experience the other side of what a traditional family produces with my wife's family :P |
| 19:39.34 | sontek | bunch of lazy kids |
| 19:39.37 | Sargun_Screen | I'm growing up in a traditional family, and things aren't going optimally. |
| 19:41.26 | bonez2046 | Sargun_Screen: ok, sorry to have used exponents in my argument |
| 19:41.54 | bonez2046 | clearly there's still too much prejudice and bigotry .. |
| 19:42.05 | fugue88 | bonez2046: Yeah, use factorials next time. |
| 19:42.37 | bonez2046 | fugue88: got it.. "and the challenges expand factorially"... has a better 'ring to it'.. yeah.. |
| 19:42.49 | sontek | So we can all agree. 1 man, 1 woman == horrible family. Single parents or gay parents are the way to go. |
| 19:43.00 | fugue88 | Cause you are spot on. Adding factions into a family environment increases effort spent, in exactly the same way that n-part communication overhead in general experiences. |
| 19:43.03 | bonez2046 | Sargun_Screen: as I said, a traditional family does not guarantee optimal results.. |
| 19:43.27 | bonez2046 | sontek: no one is agreeing to that.. aside from you right here and now.. |
| 19:46.59 | sontek | bonez2046: haha |
| 19:47.26 | bonez2046 | but it's a great discussion going.. clearly draws out very strong opinion |
| 19:48.05 | sontek | I'm hoping I can give my kid a good life |
| 19:48.16 | sontek | thats the scariest thing I've ever had to worry about |
| 19:48.46 | sontek | we are going to try the traditional 1 man 1 woman thing, we'll see how it works out ;) |
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