| 00:00.12 | macnewbold | vontrapp: right |
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| 03:23.57 | sontek | eightyeight: Why do I see windows xp when I go to your desktop cam? :O |
| 03:27.16 | eightyeight | ah. that is a second monitor |
| 03:27.30 | eightyeight | running windows xp in a vm |
| 03:30.16 | sontek | I was scared! |
| 03:30.27 | sontek | "FIRST HE LEAVES FACEBOOK AND NOW THIS?!" |
| 03:30.29 | eightyeight | ã |
| 03:30.38 | sontek | thought you were having a midlife crisis |
| 03:30.44 | eightyeight | that's probably a couple years old |
| 03:30.52 | sontek | lol |
| 03:31.04 | eightyeight | i should just take the page down. i thought it was cool back in the day, but haven't done much with it |
| 03:32.05 | eightyeight | march 20, 2010 |
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| 03:32.10 | eightyeight | so, less than a year, actually |
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| 03:33.40 | sontek | You weren't ever worried about security? |
| 03:33.49 | sontek | Start reading your e-mail and get a screenshot on your site |
| 03:34.03 | eightyeight | i was always worried about it |
| 03:34.49 | eightyeight | i would keep stuff like email, banking, etc out |
| 03:35.05 | eightyeight | if i needed access, i would shut down the script, and start it back up when i finished |
| 03:35.17 | eightyeight | which meant, it was just too much of a hassle to keep on top of |
| 03:39.23 | sontek | yeah |
| 03:39.44 | sontek | I don't think i'm organized enough to remember to turn it off |
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| 06:13.32 | mheath_ | eightyeight, thanks for spamming my phone all night ;-P |
| 06:16.28 | mheath_ | (though thats my own fault for having my phone play alerts on new facebook messages) |
| 06:16.52 | mheath_ | And for the record, I couldn't disagree more, on the privacy front. I guess I'm just not that paranoid. |
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| 06:47.13 | eightyeight | mheath_: np. glad to get your use of text messages |
| 06:47.22 | eightyeight | mheath_: also, i listed other reasons for leaving |
| 06:48.04 | mheath_ | I realize that. |
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| 14:20.26 | jnbek | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 14:20.26 | ibot | stabs Jayce^ |
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| 16:09.55 | vontrapp | if you guys don't mind me asking, I always enjoy a good facebook discussion, especially one that involves paranoia :) |
| 16:10.16 | vontrapp | mheath_ and eightyeight |
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| 16:22.59 | Migs | http://www.petairways.com/ |
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| 17:33.56 | mheath_ | vontrapp, eightyeight posted a message on facebook to *all* of his friends (including me), stating that he plans to shortly discontinue his facebook account |
| 17:34.11 | mheath_ | he linked to a blog article that discussed several perceived privacy issues, among other things |
| 17:34.58 | vontrapp | yeah, just read the blog post |
| 17:36.47 | mheath_ | I disagree. But I have a personal, frustrating issue with paranoia and facebook - my ex wife once had a literal screaming tirade with me because I would *dare* post my daughters first name on a wall post that is locked down to friends only |
| 17:37.06 | vontrapp | *shrug* if he really gets that little out of facebook, i can't argue his leaving |
| 17:37.13 | mheath_ | Thats true. |
| 17:37.14 | vontrapp | i personally get a lot out of it, probably too much |
| 17:37.28 | vontrapp | like one of the comments, my biggest danger from it is not my personal data, it's addiction |
| 17:37.47 | vontrapp | if i were to ever consider deleting my account, it would be for that reason |
| 17:41.57 | elg | http://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook-engineering/supercell-test-infrastructure-for-any-open-source-project/488718878919 |
| 17:50.50 | sontek | I have a lot of old friends/family members where my only contact is via facebook |
| 17:50.56 | sontek | so I couldn't get rid of it |
| 17:51.05 | mheath_ | Yep, same here. I would lose contact with a lot of people. |
| 17:51.40 | mheath_ | I disagree with the implication that facebook is somehow evil, or is trying to violate your privacy. I don't think I've ever seen such a high profile company work so *hard* to protect your privacy. |
| 17:52.34 | mheath_ | I mean, its a very large, high profile thing thats basic premise involves posting relatively private things on line, so there is bound to be issues here and there....but I've never seen a company work so hard within that framework to provide such a powerful privacy framework |
| 17:53.24 | sontek | I do think they don't care for our privacy very much |
| 17:53.37 | sontek | but I have my cell phone on my blog, so privacy isn't a big concern for me |
| 17:54.27 | Migs | until someone signs up your cell number for mobile spam |
| 17:54.35 | jnbek|wc | FB privacy is only an issue if you post drunk pics, your cell numbers, home and work address, IM nicks etc. IMO. If you don't want them known, then just don't put them there.. period. |
| 17:54.39 | sontek | When I created my account, only members of other universities could sign up, and it was a very small community of people, and even then I never gave access to my info to people |
| 17:54.53 | Migs | Nothing goes on my FB account I worry about others knowing |
| 17:54.58 | sontek | and no FB has blown up to much larger than something I signed up to use and they are throwing my info out to anyone |
| 17:55.31 | sontek | jnbek|wc: but whats the point of adding friends if anyone can have your info? |
| 17:55.41 | mheath_ | sontek, out to anyone? |
| 17:55.45 | sontek | the whole point of adding a friend is to say "You can see my dirty pictures and call me!" |
| 17:55.55 | mheath_ | I have my security settings set so that only like 15 people can see all of my information. |
| 17:56.05 | mheath_ | Half of my 'friends' on there can't even see wall posts. |
| 17:56.14 | mheath_ | Every single bit of information can be tweaked and customized on who can see it. |
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| 17:56.31 | jnbek|wc | i don't put that info there though. Old friends can msg me if they want to talk to me... |
| 17:56.36 | sontek | yeah, except there is no tweak for don't sell my information to your advertisers |
| 17:56.40 | sjansen | ~tensai++ |
| 17:56.47 | jnbek|wc | some I'd rather not be calling me at 4am with their teen drama, lol |
| 17:56.57 | jnbek|wc | so I leave it off |
| 17:56.57 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.06 | mheath_ | sjansen, I don't see it that way. |
| 17:57.33 | Jayce^ | jnbek|wc: you said it was ok to call?! |
| 17:57.39 | mheath_ | They do not (nor are they legally allowed) to tell there advertisers "Oh, here is Mr. Michael Heath. His address is _______, his friends are _____, his activities are _______." |
| 17:57.41 | jnbek|wc | no |
| 17:57.59 | mheath_ | Its more along the lines of "Hey, advertiser. Please generate an ad for a 21 year old male who enjoys hip hop music and computer technology." |
| 17:58.00 | tensai | sjansen: I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong though |
| 17:58.06 | Jayce^ | just had a little more music for you to try out :) |
| 17:58.24 | sjansen | I'm pretty sure you aren't either. |
| 17:58.28 | jnbek|wc | that'll be enough music out of you this month, thank you Jayce^ |
| 17:58.41 | sontek | mheath_: I don't want anyone but my close friends to know I listen to Just Bieber and thats final! |
| 17:58.43 | sontek | ;P |
| 17:58.45 | Jayce^ | hehehe.. it's going to stick in your head, forever.. |
| 17:58.50 | mheath_ | haha |
| 17:59.11 | jnbek|wc | lol |
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| 17:59.31 | mheath_ | Maybe I just think differently of the paranoia thing, but I *enjoy* and encourage targeted advertising. I would rather companies be pitching me products that sound attractive, and using my info in their R&D, than being surrounded by ads for pure crap constantly. |
| 17:59.33 | mheath_ | shrugs |
| 17:59.56 | jnbek|wc | i tend to agree with mheath_ |
| 18:00.17 | jnbek|wc | although ads to use Chrome, when I'm already browsing FB with Chrome are a little annoying.. |
| 18:02.25 | sjansen | jnbek|wc: Clearly Google is trying to warn you that you're using a counterfeit Chrome. |
| 18:02.55 | jnbek|wc | lol, that must be it |
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| 18:10.52 | sjansen | http://www.shouldiworkforfree.com/clean.html |
| 18:17.08 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | minecraft multiplayer: plug.org | Duke Nukem to release before Perl 6? |
| 18:18.03 | jnbek|wc | hah!! |
| 18:27.23 | mheath_ | Is anyone intertested in buying a Dell Mini 9 (in excellent condition) with 1 Gig memory 8 Gig SSD hard disk, for $150? |
| 18:38.18 | jnbek|wc | i may be |
| 18:44.10 | mheath_ | It's preloaded with Ubuntu netbook |
| 18:47.00 | jnbek|wc | lemme call the wife |
| 18:48.51 | mheath_ | I'm taking off |
| 18:48.59 | mheath_ | if you end up interested, shoot an email to Mike.Thomas.Heath@gmail.conm |
| 18:49.03 | mheath_ | er *com obviously |
| 18:49.06 | jnbek|wc | ok |
| 19:12.54 | goozbach | ibot: hello |
| 19:12.54 | ibot | Howdy Bub |
| 19:13.11 | goozbach | ibot: irssi |
| 19:13.11 | ibot | i guess irssi is a modular IRC client for UNIX. See http://irssi.org/, or the door to the 1337 |
| 19:13.44 | goozbach | ibot: garglesplat is fun stuff |
| 19:13.44 | ibot | goozbach: okay |
| 19:13.50 | goozbach | ibot: garglesplat |
| 19:13.50 | ibot | hmm... garglesplat is fun stuff |
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| 20:08.05 | Jayce^ | wtf?! Duke Nukem Forever in stores soon.. wow |
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| 20:11.08 | Gate | anyone know how to make diff consider JSON with spaces and endlines the same as JSON with those removed? -b -B and -w do not seem to achieve that effect |
| 20:16.21 | mheath_ | Does anyone have any experience with an IT recruiting company called "Robert Half Technology"? |
| 20:16.28 | mheath_ | they have an office here in SLC |
| 20:16.34 | mheath_ | just wondering how good they are |
| 20:19.23 | fugue88 | mheath_: I got a job through them a few years ago. Good pay, but classic corporate environment. |
| 20:22.06 | sshaw | Jayce^: watch, the world will end the day before its released :) |
| 20:22.20 | macnewbold | Gate: diff always works line by line, so you'd have to get the endlines out. sed or tr might be able to help. |
| 20:23.48 | fugue88 | Gate: You could parse then print both in Python (for example), then diff those outputs. |
| 20:28.19 | Gate | thanks both, using tr -d to rip out newlines and diff comes up happy |
| 20:29.06 | Migs | hmmm, anyone here good with algorithms? I have a map with coordinates and different boundaries. I'd like users to be able to enter an address, and have it automatically determine which quadrant it falls in. I know there's an algorithm for that, but can't remember what it's called. |
| 20:30.12 | Gate | Migs: how complicated are the boundaries, or are they dynamic |
| 20:30.21 | jsmith | Migs: Sounds like you ought to check out the PostGIS extensions to PostgreSQL... |
| 20:30.31 | jsmith | Migs: They'll make your life much better |
| 20:30.56 | Migs | they're static |
| 20:31.52 | Migs | they get updated about every 2 years |
| 20:31.53 | Migs | oh snap |
| 20:31.53 | Migs | is there a MySQL equivalent? |
| 20:32.41 | Gate | Migs: what mapping system are you using? There are some very nice SQL scripts out there designed to work with google maps. |
| 20:33.44 | Migs | yeah, I'm using the Google Maps API. I started making this about 4 years ago: http://www.weber.k12.ut.us/boundarymaps |
| 20:33.54 | Migs | but it was all through Javascript and XML, which in hindsight was a bad idea |
| 20:34.22 | Migs | well, actually it didn't have the functionality I just mentioned |
| 20:34.36 | Migs | It was just an experiment in trying to get coordinates to map...looks like it only works in IE |
| 20:34.44 | Migs | I'll be rewriting it all from scratch, anyway |
| 20:35.39 | Gate | Migs what I have seen is an incredible Rails plugin which build trig-based SQL queries to determine location and distance |
| 20:35.49 | jsmith | Migs: If you're going to rewrite it, check out PostGIS and consider using PostgreSQL |
| 20:36.16 | Migs | jsmith: Thanks for that tip. That seems like a great way to go. |
| 20:36.43 | tensai | jsmith: always with the postgresql |
| 20:37.05 | jsmith | tensai: Would you expect any less from me? |
| 20:37.08 | Gate | PostGIS looks pretty cool |
| 20:37.14 | jsmith | runs off to catch his flight |
| 20:38.41 | Jayce^ | jsmith-away: we always expect *less* from you :) |
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| 21:01.11 | Migs | oh dear. http://twitter.com/bristol_palin |
| 21:01.25 | sontek | Django works well with PostGIS as well, using GeoDjango :) |
| 21:21.56 | fadein | Migs: I'm always amazed by the things people can do with computers these days |
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