| 01:02.04 | levi | programmerq: You may just need a new capacitor on your motherboard. |
| 01:03.21 | levi | But really, you should probably get a new computer. |
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| 01:51.21 | TehLaser | I love the smell of fried electrolyte in the evening. |
| 02:21.28 | programmerq | It might be fun to attempt to locate and replace the bad capacitor, but I don't have the knowledge to do that. :( |
| 02:22.44 | programmerq | I accidentally ripped off an electolitic capacitor on a PCI card once. Soldered a new one on, but the card didn't exactly work like a charm after that. |
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| 02:35.29 | TehLaser | modern boards are usually multi-layer anyway, which makes repair... difficult at best. |
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| 17:10.26 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | minecraft multiplayer: plug.org | To the batmobile! |
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| 17:16.46 | ibot | cowers |
| 17:17.20 | vontrapp | i need a super awesome screen guru |
| 17:17.48 | goozbach | not super awesome by any strech but fire away |
| 17:17.50 | vontrapp | in short, i want "tput hs" to return true from within screen |
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| 17:18.26 | vontrapp | not so short, screenrc allows you to set termcaps for the underlying terminal, but I want to set termcaps for the actual screen virtual terminal itself |
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| 17:36.03 | vontrapp | goozbach: did i stump you? |
| 17:36.28 | goozbach | yeah |
| 17:36.30 | goozbach | sorry |
| 17:36.34 | vontrapp | :( |
| 17:36.39 | goozbach | trying to track 20+ windows for work problems |
| 17:36.59 | vontrapp | np |
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| 17:45.06 | kingsol | hey all, greetings and good morning... I'm new to the group, and came via a recommendation from wps. hope you all are well |
| 17:46.03 | goozbach | ~welcome kingsol |
| 17:46.03 | ibot | Good to see you, kingsol! |
| 17:47.01 | vontrapp | kingsol: you're only welcome if you can answer my screen question :p |
| 17:48.24 | kingsol | ha ha. thanks all.. what is your screen question, I'll give it a whirl |
| 17:51.49 | jsmith | Welcome kingsol! |
| 17:52.09 | elg | ~lart people who don't give a pig's hoof about spelling |
| 17:52.09 | ibot | declares people who don't give a pig's hoof about spelling a moron |
| 17:52.55 | elg | someone started a project, that many people will want to use, and named it "configerator". and doesn't want to change it because it's too much work (a few files, mailing list, etc.) |
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| 17:54.32 | fugue88 | elg: Is that like a refigerator? |
| 17:54.45 | fugue88 | console refigerator. |
| 17:54.47 | fugue88 | There we go. |
| 17:54.49 | elg | :) |
| 17:55.01 | elg | refrigerator you mean? ;-) |
| 17:55.17 | fugue88 | hehe |
| 17:55.19 | vontrapp | not so short, screenrc allows you to set termcaps for the underlying terminal, but I want to set termcaps for the actual screen virtual terminal itself |
| 17:55.21 | fugue88 | Yep, that. |
| 17:55.50 | elg | his argument in response was "I was thinking 'config' and '-erator', some people are thinking 'configure' '-ator'" |
| 17:55.55 | elg | facepalm |
| 17:56.05 | elg | refrigerator is a good precedent. wish I had thought of that before this reply |
| 17:56.43 | fugue88 | configr8r |
| 17:57.10 | fugue88 | What's that tld all the cool kids use? configura.tr? Or something. |
| 17:57.41 | fugue88 | vontrapp: So, you want to change what screen reports to the apps that run within it? |
| 17:57.46 | vontrapp | lol |
| 17:57.53 | vontrapp | fugue88: yes |
| 17:58.15 | fugue88 | vontrapp: Have you considered mod'ing your termcap database? |
| 17:58.33 | vontrapp | crossed my mind |
| 17:58.41 | vontrapp | not a fan of that... but |
| 17:59.17 | fugue88 | Because I *think* that, utlimately, the apps actually get the info by querying that database, not by communicating directly with their terminal. |
| 17:59.32 | vontrapp | there should be a way to more generally mod termcaps as their used like screenrc does |
| 17:59.35 | fugue88 | But screen does introduce some oddities it seems. |
| 18:00.10 | vontrapp | well, screen is the program that queries the termcap for the underlying terminal, and just superimposes whatever you put in that config |
| 18:00.28 | vontrapp | so i see how it's a completely different problem, and there might not be a way to have screen do it |
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| 18:01.06 | fugue88 | Well, screen does add some emulation for features your native term doesn't support. |
| 18:01.12 | vontrapp | on that note, I also want to have xterm-256color do hs as well |
| 18:01.17 | vontrapp | when NOT in screen |
| 18:01.49 | fugue88 | So, hs for the status line, is that the title-bar of an xterm as an example? |
| 18:02.12 | vontrapp | but screen -does- support, and is recorded that it does in the termcap for screen, i believe |
| 18:02.22 | fugue88 | `man 5 terminfo` seach for "-s" has some info. |
| 18:02.36 | vontrapp | beats the heck out of me that screen doesn't advertise hs capability |
| 18:03.24 | vontrapp | fugue88: yeah, title bar for xterm, which xterm itself doesn't consider to be an hs, but is perfectly useful as such |
| 18:03.45 | vontrapp | TERM=xterm+sl does have the hs cap set |
| 18:04.07 | vontrapp | but no other xterm type does |
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| 18:07.43 | vontrapp | fugue88: so would i create a new termcap, and name it screen-265color-s? |
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| 18:08.54 | vontrapp | hmm, there already exists a screen-256color-s |
| 18:09.03 | vontrapp | but it doesn't work |
| 18:09.13 | fugue88 | :( |
| 18:09.16 | vontrapp | rather, hs doesn't work |
| 18:09.37 | goozbach | remind me what hs does again |
| 18:09.46 | fugue88 | Are you running screen in a term that itself supports hs (and has visible results for it)? |
| 18:09.48 | kingsol | jsmith: thanks! is this the same jsmith from uphpu? |
| 18:09.50 | fugue88 | goozbach: has status line |
| 18:09.59 | fugue88 | A non-scrolling line, that's all. |
| 18:10.21 | fugue88 | DOS terminals use to have one, strangely enough, but you *could* overwrite it as part of the scrolling region. |
| 18:10.27 | fugue88 | *used to, even |
| 18:10.31 | vontrapp | fugue88: no but yes, i'm running screen in xterm, but i have termcap mods in screenrc to give xterm hs cap |
| 18:11.03 | fugue88 | vontrapp: But xterm has to be programmed to do something with that, as well. |
| 18:11.25 | jsmith | kingsol: Aye... Guilty as charged :-) |
| 18:11.30 | fugue88 | Telling other apps that they can send a sequence to use a status line doesn't do any good if the term doesn't grok it. |
| 18:11.32 | vontrapp | fugue88: no, i just give the ts and fs caps the escape sequences that do window title |
| 18:11.37 | goozbach | vontrapp: which platform are you doing this on? |
| 18:11.38 | fugue88 | Ah, okay. |
| 18:11.51 | vontrapp | goozbach: fedora |
| 18:11.54 | vontrapp | 13 |
| 18:12.04 | fugue88 | Oh, fedora. |
| 18:12.05 | goozbach | you could try installing byobu and seeing what it is that it does |
| 18:12.06 | fugue88 | j/k |
| 18:12.17 | kingsol | jsmith: awesome! hope you are well. |
| 18:12.24 | goozbach | because the status line has always worked for me with byobu |
| 18:12.30 | wps | good morning, kingsol |
| 18:12.35 | vontrapp | fugue88: i hate it (no offense jsmith) |
| 18:12.38 | goozbach | (byobu being an awesome wrapper for screen even so) |
| 18:12.46 | kingsol | wps: whats up brother! |
| 18:13.08 | vontrapp | goozbach: what does byobu do that i'm interested in? |
| 18:13.18 | vontrapp | does it do some funky titlebar magic? |
| 18:13.21 | jsmith | vontrapp: Care to elaborate? |
| 18:13.45 | vontrapp | jsmith: well, hate is a strong word i guess |
| 18:13.54 | vontrapp | i really don't mind it all that much day to day |
| 18:14.04 | goozbach | vontrapp: yup |
| 18:14.06 | vontrapp | there are just little quirks... |
| 18:14.14 | wps | busy building my robot |
| 18:14.17 | goozbach | and it manages profiles, and a screen hardstatus |
| 18:14.26 | jsmith | vontrapp: You should share those, so that others can learn from your pain |
| 18:14.35 | jsmith | vontrapp: If you don't share your pain, others will suffer needlessly |
| 18:14.51 | fugue88 | Crime against humanity. |
| 18:15.00 | fugue88 | Not sharing bugs in open source. |
| 18:15.02 | fugue88 | :) |
| 18:15.26 | wps | my _girl_ robot |
| 18:15.27 | wps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnN17uJQUbc |
| 18:15.55 | wps | (safe for work) |
| 18:16.26 | fugue88 | Funny. |
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| 18:17.52 | vontrapp | jsmith: off the top of my head, vim doesn't have gui support, even when gvim is installed |
| 18:18.22 | vontrapp | yum install asks you if you want to install, which isn't all that bad, except the default (when you just press enter) is to not install |
| 18:18.39 | vontrapp | i can start noting down my other greivances as i remember them |
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| 18:21.32 | Migs | could've sworn I've seen him in here before |
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| 18:51.11 | sjansen | ~greet kingsol |
| 18:51.11 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on kingsol |
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| 18:54.59 | elg | i have a bolt and a wingnut. I want the wingnut to turn the bolt instead of turning on the bolt |
| 18:55.40 | elg | i'll spend up to $5 on supplies (maybe some kind of bolt glue?) |
| 18:55.47 | jsmith | elg: weld the wingnut to the bolt :-p |
| 18:55.48 | vontrapp | locktite |
| 18:55.53 | jsmith | jbweld |
| 18:55.59 | fugue88 | elg: Get a normal nut, put it on first. Tighten the wingnut up to it. |
| 18:56.00 | vontrapp | or double-nut it |
| 18:56.14 | vontrapp | there's another term for that, it escapes me |
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| 18:57.22 | vontrapp | if you tighten the wingnut against a locknut, that should give you plenty torque |
| 18:57.50 | elg | it just needs to be hand-tight |
| 18:58.21 | elg | it's for a clamp, hand-turn the bolt to snug the yoke to the desk |
| 18:58.27 | vontrapp | backing out might pose a problem |
| 18:58.50 | fugue88 | Yeah. Triple-nut, then. ;) |
| 19:01.57 | kingsol | sjansen: thanks! |
| 19:02.31 | elg | so this "carriage bolt" already has a head. i can tighten the wingnut against that, is there any difference between that and a double-nut method? |
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| 19:06.05 | fugue88 | elg: Only diff is whether you want the wingnut against the bolt's head, or somewhere else. |
| 19:06.42 | Gate | there may be hope for us as a species after all: http://tinyurl.com/4ksvwzr |
| 19:07.03 | elg | [--|------ tightened to [|----- |
| 19:07.52 | elg | that's fine, if it'll stay tight long enough to snug the clamp (by turning the nut+bolt clockwise) |
| 19:08.16 | elg | this is all very academic, I can just try it out when I get home. but if I need to buy some loctite or something I'd like to do it on the way home. |
| 19:09.31 | goozbach | it's a good idea to have locktite and wd-40 on hand anyway |
| 19:09.47 | fugue88 | Good complement to the duct tape. |
| 19:17.47 | vontrapp | elg: i would tighten the wing against the head, then an additional nut against the wing, some loctite in there would seal the deal, but I think head-wingnut-nut should be fine |
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| 19:19.02 | fugue88 | [)|------ |
| 19:19.04 | fugue88 | :) |
| 19:19.27 | fugue88 | Add globs of locktite: |
| 19:19.30 | fugue88 | OOO------ |
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| 19:31.12 | elg | if my plane crashes because the yoke comes flying off while landing, I'm blaming sjansen |
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| 21:58.32 | vontrapp | how does one reload the /dev/mapper mappings of lvm? |
| 21:58.44 | vontrapp | it should probably be automatic, but it's not being so |
| 21:59.03 | jsmith | vgscan? |
| 21:59.13 | jsmith | can't remember off the top of his head |
| 22:00.22 | goozbach | lvmdiskcan |
| 22:01.01 | vontrapp | all the normal commands show the sought after pv, vg, lv, but the lv still don't show up in /dev/mapper |
| 22:01.14 | vontrapp | lvs, pvs, vgs, lvdisplay, even lvmdiskscan |
| 22:01.23 | goozbach | I know this |
| 22:01.29 | goozbach | I did it just the other day |
| 22:01.32 | goozbach | hold on |
| 22:02.41 | goozbach | vgchange -a y |
| 22:03.04 | goozbach | and udev or whatever redoes the links |
| 22:03.05 | goozbach | IIRC |
| 22:05.20 | vontrapp | goozbach, that did the trick, thanks |
| 22:06.24 | goozbach | YAY~! |
| 22:06.39 | vontrapp | :) |
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| 22:18.14 | elg | yeah, vgchange -a. I couldn't remember that yesterday either, so I rebooted. |
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