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| 14:44.47 | eightyeight | despite my very frustrating day with satellite, of which my coworker is well aware of, he rebooted a newly installed satellite while running 'satellite-sync' |
| 14:44.57 | eightyeight | which takes _hours_ if not _days_ to complete |
| 14:45.05 | eightyeight | the reboot was at 17:00. i'm just finding out now |
| 14:45.20 | eightyeight | i could have had ~15 hours of synchronization behind me |
| 14:45.27 | eightyeight | ~lart not using your head |
| 14:45.27 | ibot | teaches not using your head that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 15:00.40 | *** topic/#utah by eightyeight -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | minecraft multiplayer: plug.org | Joy to the world! | Convert a man page to pdf: "man -t manpage | ps2pdf - filename.pdf" |
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| 16:10.49 | TehLaser | Ok, whoever decided to use ISS as an acronym for "Inter-Satellite Sync" ought to be shot. |
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| 16:41.23 | elg | sounds better than using "NTY" as an acronym for inter-sattelite sync. |
| 16:42.40 | eightyeight | elg: so, what did you end up sticking with for your irc client of choice? not irssi, i presume |
| 16:42.49 | elg | colloquy still |
| 16:42.56 | elg | with znc for a bouncer. |
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| 16:43.30 | eightyeight | ah |
| 16:52.28 | TehLaser | It just took me a while to realize you weren't trying to reset a communications satellite. And finding ISS in there just muddled things further. :) |
| 16:53.52 | eightyeight | heh |
| 16:54.03 | eightyeight | TehLaser: no, nothing to do with iss. talking about red hat satellite |
| 16:54.36 | eightyeight | the satellite-sync is slow as molasses on a cold day, so having those 15 hours behind me would have made a big impact |
| 16:56.01 | eightyeight | case in point: i restarted it 3 hours ago, and i've only synced 1.8GB of roughly 250GB |
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| 17:26.55 | Gate | ... wtf batman, are you doing a dd over the internet or something? |
| 17:27.25 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:27.56 | eightyeight | i need to synchronize rhel4, rhel5 and rhel6 repositories, for servers and workstations |
| 17:28.04 | eightyeight | it's a lot of data |
| 17:28.30 | eightyeight | and it blows given our sucky internet connection |
| 17:30.14 | eightyeight | the worst part is, you get all the versions of software supported by red hat, not just the latest and greatest |
| 17:30.54 | eightyeight | so it's not like a standard repository, where only the latest versions reside |
| 17:32.28 | Gate | .... OK, when you said "sattelite" I thought you were having problems with a Toshiba Sattelite laptop. |
| 17:32.53 | eightyeight | "red hat satellite" |
| 17:33.57 | Gate | I figured you were putting RHEL on a Toshiba... |
| 17:34.42 | Gate | apparently cant spell Satellite |
| 17:35.37 | eightyeight | https://www.redhat.com/red_hat_network/ |
| 17:35.38 | Gate | eightyeight: is it not capable of copying someone else's? I mean why can't you let your co-worker's complete then copy his over gigabit? |
| 17:35.47 | Gate | yeah, I am reading that now |
| 17:36.17 | eightyeight | you misunderstood. we don't each have our own. there is only one satellite server for our whole infrastructure |
| 17:36.44 | eightyeight | we have ~150 rhel servers and workstations all registered to it (well, kind of. that was the point of my support ticket with red hat i mentioned yesterday) |
| 17:37.16 | eightyeight | it has massive ssl problems, and despite going back and forth with red hat support, i finally threw up my arms, and rebuilt the satellite server |
| 17:37.30 | eightyeight | after which, i started synchronizing the repositories |
| 17:37.56 | eightyeight | then he rebooted the server, because he thought he saw a problem with it (he loves to reboot servers to fix things- irritates me to no end) |
| 17:38.20 | eightyeight | he did this at 17:00. i didn't sign in until 07:00 |
| 17:38.44 | eightyeight | during that time, the server was just sitting idle- doing nothing |
| 17:38.54 | Gate | oh |
| 17:38.55 | eightyeight | it could have synced maybe 10-15GB of data |
| 17:39.06 | eightyeight | but alas, here we are |
| 17:39.32 | eightyeight | and there was no notification to me, other than corporate email, which i don't have access to outside of vpn, that this happened |
| 17:39.37 | eightyeight | so, i'm a little frustrated |
| 17:39.52 | TehLaser | "When in doubt, reboot" does not apply to servers. :/ |
| 17:40.10 | TehLaser | It's more like "When all else fails, consider rebooting." |
| 17:41.40 | eightyeight | case in point: a windows 2003 server running ms sql. the sql daemon wasn't running. so i ran 'services.msc', and started up the server |
| 17:41.44 | eightyeight | everyone was happy |
| 17:41.48 | eightyeight | except him |
| 17:42.00 | eightyeight | i didn't reboot the windows server, so it wasn't a clean start |
| 17:42.04 | eightyeight | so, he bounced it anyway |
| 17:42.19 | Gate | ... |
| 17:42.33 | Gate | He is MS certified, isn't he. |
| 17:42.41 | eightyeight | dunno |
| 17:43.01 | eightyeight | he has been in this field for 30+ years though, mostly unix admin, not windows |
| 17:43.06 | TehLaser | That might, *maybe* be justified if you waited for a regularly scheduled maintenance interval, to make sure that the service would properly come up after a reboot. |
| 17:43.14 | eightyeight | so, it still comes as a surprise to me |
| 17:43.50 | eightyeight | TehLaser: no. he felt that by just starting the service, other things that it depends on might not be running, and the the only way to know for sure is to reboot |
| 17:44.05 | TehLaser | There's something to be said for regularly rebooting servers, however, as otherwise they tend to become unbootable without anyone noticing. |
| 17:44.24 | eightyeight | understood |
| 17:44.27 | Gate | Yeah, so have weekly maintainance windows |
| 17:44.48 | Gate | don't just reboot because you feel like it |
| 17:44.53 | TehLaser | indeed |
| 17:45.03 | Gate | I would have been fired at any of my jobs had I made a call like that |
| 17:45.10 | Gate | dropped in a heartbeat |
| 17:45.50 | eightyeight | if he would have just sent me an sms that he was going to bounce it, then i could get back in and restart the sync, so it's not lost time |
| 17:45.59 | eightyeight | he knows that i was working on it all day yesterday |
| 17:46.07 | TehLaser | has had to baby a braindead closed-source app with a memory leak by scheduling a reboot nightly. Probably could have gotten away with just restarting the app... |
| 17:46.12 | eightyeight | open communication in a team of 4 sys admins is key |
| 17:46.43 | Gate | TehLaser: yeah, my previous job had rolling reboots because of a badly written Java app with memory leaks |
| 17:47.11 | TehLaser | but I didn't, so perhaps I'm just as superstitous as "no, that's not good enough, it's not as clean as a reboot" |
| 17:47.53 | TehLaser | But again, maintenance intervals and communication are good things. |
| 17:48.32 | eightyeight | i don't care about the ms sql thing. it annoyed a couple of devs, who had to wait for it to come back online, but it wasn't a big deal |
| 17:48.57 | eightyeight | rebooting satellite, because he couldn't bother to troubleshoot, then not communicating it to me, is a big deal |
| 17:49.33 | eightyeight | there was actually nothing wrong with the server (it's a virtual server in rhev). rhev was just reporting storage space issues, as it's disk was thin provisioned |
| 17:49.48 | eightyeight | standard event notifications we see all the time |
| 17:50.21 | eightyeight | as the thinly provisioned disk grows, rhev let's you know by saying ther was a 'storage space error', when the server is humming along just fine |
| 17:50.38 | TehLaser | oy |
| 17:51.17 | eightyeight | yeah. i'm becoming more and more critical of rhev |
| 17:51.21 | eightyeight | it's not a solid product |
| 17:51.29 | eightyeight | but, we're committed |
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| 18:06.00 | Gate | TehLaser: well, for our problems restarting the app was only partially effective at clearing the consumed RAM |
| 18:06.21 | Gate | Only a reboot completely cleared the server so it could function for another full 24 hours |
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