| 00:00.39 | eightyeight | wow |
| 00:01.21 | eightyeight | i'll bet that's fun |
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| 03:08.31 | Supaplex | sup folks |
| 03:13.30 | lahwran | ohhai |
| 03:19.44 | eightyeight | Supaplex: yo |
| 03:22.06 | Supaplex | :) |
| 03:23.38 | Supaplex | trying to figure out how to setup the drives in a ibm serverraid-7k. raid bios is hardly useful... |
| 03:25.50 | eightyeight | raid bios? |
| 03:26.00 | eightyeight | you mean the software shipped on raid cards? |
| 03:27.12 | Supaplex | builtin firmware on the controller |
| 03:27.52 | eightyeight | ah |
| 03:30.28 | Supaplex | nothing in the regular bios |
| 03:30.34 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 03:30.53 | eightyeight | that sucks |
| 03:31.06 | eightyeight | well, actually |
| 03:31.58 | eightyeight | i've always had good luck with the raid bios (i've always heard them referred to as the "console") |
| 03:32.10 | eightyeight | setting up arrays is usually pretty trivial |
| 03:32.15 | Supaplex | looks like dpt-i2o-raidutils might have what I want. |
| 03:35.26 | Supaplex | fetches a debian live cd image |
| 03:40.10 | eightyeight | i think i'm going to reinstall my thinkpad with debian gnu/kfreebsd with the zfs filesystem |
| 03:41.23 | Supaplex | sounds fun |
| 03:41.58 | eightyeight | it should prove to be an experience |
| 03:42.10 | Supaplex | I remember using a kfreebsd kernel on a freebsd system (production-ish) and run debian inside chroot at the same time. |
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| 03:45.01 | eightyeight | if the performance of zfs on a debian gnu/kfreebsd system is anything like that on open solaris, however, i'll likely come right back to the linux kernel with ext4 |
| 03:45.08 | eightyeight | or i could try btrfs, i guess |
| 03:46.40 | Supaplex | use it with saltfs, moviefs and popcornfs too. ;) |
| 03:48.06 | Supaplex | toss us a plug post if you find anything nifty with the way zfs is running on kfreebsd. if you don't mind. |
| 03:51.24 | eightyeight | heh |
| 03:51.40 | eightyeight | plug? i thought you were a sllug-head |
| 03:52.01 | Supaplex | nay |
| 03:53.37 | eightyeight | lost ->| |<- that much respect for Supaplex |
| 04:02.19 | Supaplex | apparently tcpdump doesn't like it when the interface it's listening on, disappears for a moment. |
| 04:03.10 | eightyeight | heh |
| 04:03.23 | eightyeight | i can imagine that would be problematic |
| 04:05.10 | Supaplex | cpu usage spikes :) |
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| 04:52.38 | Reilithion | When I use the iptables command to make changes, do those changes persist after a reboot? or do I have to add the same commands somewhere, like in an init script? |
| 05:12.01 | sontek | they don't persist |
| 05:12.17 | sontek | check /etc/sysconfig/iptables |
| 05:13.14 | sontek | or I think in ubuntu its /etc/iptables.rules |
| 05:13.37 | sontek | there is an iptables-save command to save your current running config |
| 05:14.10 | sontek | Reilithion: ^ |
| 05:15.21 | Reilithion | Thanks, sontek. |
| 05:19.16 | sjansen | sontek: Have you tested your statement to make sure it is true? |
| 05:19.49 | sontek | sjansen: nope, just out of memory, I'm not guaranteeing anything |
| 05:19.52 | sjansen | I haven't played with recent versions of Ubuntu, but RHEL and Fedora don't automatically save netfilter rules. |
| 05:19.54 | sontek | I've only got archlinux and fedora here |
| 05:20.13 | sontek | sjansen: Thats what I said :) |
| 05:20.14 | sjansen | On RHEL and Fedora you can "/etc/init.d/iptables save" |
| 05:20.18 | sontek | sjansen: you have to call iptables-save |
| 05:20.46 | sjansen | iptable-save doesn't save anything, it just dumps your current rules to stdout |
| 05:20.52 | sontek | sjansen: yeah |
| 05:20.58 | sontek | sjansen: iptables-save > /etc/sysconfig/iptables |
| 05:21.03 | sjansen | iptables-save > /etc/sysconfig/iptables |
| 05:22.11 | sjansen | Well, toodles. |
| 05:31.57 | maquis | anyone here good with apache? |
| 05:32.34 | maquis | i'm trying to edit my apache2.conf files to make blog.mysite.net go to a different place from www.mysite.net |
| 05:32.44 | maquis | and... it's not working |
| 05:34.14 | mheath | maquis, what do you have in the .conf so far? Can you pastebin somewhere? |
| 05:34.24 | maquis | mheath: sure... |
| 05:36.41 | maquis | just a sec... getting it up |
| 05:36.57 | mheath | sure, no problem |
| 05:37.22 | mheath | It's been a while since I've had to set this up, but I used to do this configuration all the time. Hopefuly I can provide some useful feedback :) |
| 05:38.17 | maquis | ok... a little of basic anonymization done... |
| 05:38.19 | maquis | http://pastebin.com/Y4RWwXWW |
| 05:39.13 | maquis | i don't mind people here knowing what my site is, but i'd prefer not to have my apache config files posted publicly with the site name :P |
| 05:39.29 | mheath | Heh, thats fine |
| 05:39.29 | maquis | If you need more files, let me know. That is the sites-enabled and the ports.conf |
| 05:39.31 | mheath | one sec let me look |
| 05:39.46 | mheath | is blog.mysite.net currently just going to the same place as www.mysite.net ? |
| 05:40.01 | maquis | nope |
| 05:40.11 | mheath | what do you see at blog.mysite.net then? |
| 05:40.12 | maquis | blog.mysite.net is going to a "oops! this link appears to be broken" page |
| 05:40.34 | mheath | ...an apache server side error? Or a browser error? |
| 05:40.51 | maquis | browser is showing that, and giving a link to do a google search |
| 05:41.09 | Jayce | wtf, is somebody actually using mysite.net?? |
| 05:41.10 | Jayce | wow.. |
| 05:41.38 | mheath | maquis, and you're sure DNS is wildcarded? |
| 05:41.41 | maquis | Jayce: just for the sake of testing... |
| 05:41.58 | Jayce | seriously.. ok, I know way too much about that :) |
| 05:42.00 | maquis | mheath: it should be... it was before... and mysite.net works as well as www.mysite.net. i'll check that, though |
| 05:42.14 | Jayce | see, mysite was one of our brand name3s, with untd.. |
| 05:42.16 | mheath | maquis, just do a ping, that should work, or nslookup or whatever |
| 05:42.19 | mheath | ping blog.mysite.net |
| 05:42.26 | maquis | mheath: the thing that makes me think it is still pointing at me is, if i tail -f to the error log, I get: |
| 05:42.31 | maquis | [Fri Dec 03 21:42:10 2010] [error] [client 192.168.1.1] File does not exist: /var/www/bloggy/favicon.ico |
| 05:42.39 | mheath | ah, ok |
| 05:42.39 | mheath | one sec |
| 05:42.41 | maquis | when i try to load the blog.mysite.net |
| 05:42.45 | Jayce | when they shut down our office almost three years ago :) |
| 05:42.54 | Jayce | nobody has been really maintaining it since :) |
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| 05:43.12 | maquis | Jayce: mysite.net is my anonymization of my apache configs |
| 05:43.25 | Jayce | yeah, and a whole lot of others :) |
| 05:43.35 | Jayce | believe me, I know a lot about it |
| 05:43.38 | maquis | seeing as I am posting them to pastebin, I'd prefer not to have my actual url there :) |
| 05:43.41 | maquis | heh |
| 05:46.14 | mheath | maquis, is there anything else in your error.log ? |
| 05:46.45 | maquis | mheath: i just edited stuff to make separate logs for the two sites |
| 05:46.49 | mheath | I would LogLevel debug |
| 05:46.53 | mheath | and see what you see |
| 05:46.53 | maquis | and that's the only thing in the new one |
| 05:46.53 | Jayce | see, it's painful to see somebody reference any of the old untd properties.. :) |
| 05:47.06 | maquis | Jayce: untd? |
| 05:47.18 | maquis | mheath: i'll try the loglevel and see if i can get more |
| 05:47.30 | Jayce | united online |
| 05:47.37 | mheath | Because...as I said, its been a while since I've done this, but I don't see any obvious problems |
| 05:47.48 | mheath | I'd suspect a DNS issue, but if it is getting to that directory.... |
| 05:47.53 | maquis | mheath: what level should I do LogLevel? In the apache2.conf or in the specific site? |
| 05:48.04 | maquis | nm |
| 05:48.09 | maquis | found where I have it already... :) |
| 05:48.12 | mheath | I would (briefly) do it in the entire apache |
| 05:48.14 | mheath | then restart apache |
| 05:48.22 | mheath | to make sure its parsing the conf file correctly, without any warrnings or such |
| 05:48.28 | mheath | then try to access the site, and see what shows up in the log |
| 05:48.39 | maquis | mheath: the one thing it does do when I restart is it says: |
| 05:48.46 | maquis | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 05:49.04 | maquis | which actually, might be part of the problem, since it's the ServerName attribute that it seems to be ignoring |
| 05:49.20 | maquis | but... why would it do that? |
| 05:49.21 | mheath | nah, that shouldn't be an issue, AFAIK |
| 05:49.24 | maquis | ok |
| 05:49.27 | mheath | Thats for the default ServerName |
| 05:49.30 | mheath | You've manually specified others |
| 05:50.01 | maquis | [Fri Dec 03 21:49:07 2010] [notice] Apache/2.2.16 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.3.3-1ubuntu9.1 with Suhosin-Patch configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 05:50.05 | maquis | [Fri Dec 03 21:49:07 2010] [info] Server built: Nov 18 2010 21:17:43 |
| 05:50.07 | maquis | [Fri Dec 03 21:49:07 2010] [debug] prefork.c(1013): AcceptMutex: sysvsem (default: sysvsem) |
| 05:50.10 | maquis | that's in the main log |
| 05:50.16 | maquis | the specific log only has the same error as before |
| 05:51.02 | maquis | the interesting thing is, the main mysite.net goes to one directory below where I'm trying to tell it to go |
| 05:51.10 | mheath | just out of curiosity,can you try the ping to make sure blog.* resolves correctly? |
| 05:51.20 | maquis | er... nm it fixed that |
| 05:51.23 | maquis | ok... let's see here... |
| 05:51.44 | maquis | both are resolving to the same IP |
| 05:52.41 | mheath | Hmm |
| 05:52.47 | mheath | Try something for me.... |
| 05:52.51 | maquis | ok |
| 05:52.52 | mheath | Listen <public ip>:80 |
| 05:52.58 | mheath | Replace your listen lines with that |
| 05:53.11 | mheath | With <public ip> replced with the obvious thing :) |
| 05:54.10 | maquis | Cannot assign requested address: make_sock: could not bind to address 98.247.72.114:80 |
| 05:54.39 | mheath | oh, are you behind NAT? |
| 05:55.43 | mheath | ok, change it back, lets try one more thing |
| 05:56.28 | maquis | yeah... stupid comcast, but there's nobody better around here |
| 05:56.42 | mheath | k try this |
| 05:56.48 | mheath | so change it back |
| 05:56.56 | maquis | yeah |
| 05:56.56 | maquis | did |
| 05:57.04 | mheath | and then, telnet to your server using your private address |
| 05:57.08 | mheath | 192.168.0.0 address |
| 05:57.30 | mheath | then run: |
| 05:58.12 | mheath | HEAD / HTTP/1.1 |
| 05:58.16 | mheath | Host: blog.mysite.net |
| 05:58.21 | mheath | Connection: close |
| 05:58.26 | mheath | let me know what you get |
| 05:59.34 | mheath | erm |
| 05:59.38 | mheath | wait, sorry, that may not work |
| 05:59.39 | mheath | do: |
| 05:59.44 | mheath | GET /index.htm HTTP/1.1 |
| 05:59.49 | mheath | host: blog.mysite.net |
| 05:59.52 | mheath | <line feed> |
| 06:00.00 | mheath | or replace /index.htm with whatever |
| 06:01.30 | maquis | lemme pastebin so you can get the whole response |
| 06:01.41 | mheath | I just need to know if it looked like HTML |
| 06:01.55 | maquis | it was HTML for a 400 bad request |
| 06:02.46 | mheath | hmm, I may be giving you bad syntax. One sec |
| 06:03.13 | mheath | try this: |
| 06:03.19 | mheath | GET / HTTP/1.1 |
| 06:03.23 | mheath | host: blog.mysite.net |
| 06:03.25 | mheath | <line feed> |
| 06:04.06 | maquis | ooh!!! that gave me something useful! |
| 06:04.14 | mheath | OK |
| 06:04.21 | mheath | Now try telneting to your public IP address |
| 06:04.22 | maquis | wordpress error! |
| 06:04.23 | mheath | And do the same thing |
| 06:04.34 | maquis | i don't think i need to do that side |
| 06:04.45 | maquis | it would be nice if it gave me a better error when i went from the browser |
| 06:04.59 | mheath | Your browser isn't connecting properly. |
| 06:05.00 | maquis | wait... but it should |
| 06:05.03 | mheath | Yep |
| 06:05.06 | mheath | I think its a NAT problem |
| 06:05.08 | maquis | yeah... our browser isn't connecting properly... |
| 06:05.11 | mheath | Try the same telnet, using the public IP address |
| 06:05.14 | maquis | ok |
| 06:06.49 | maquis | using external IP, it gives the wordpress error too |
| 06:07.01 | mheath | O.o |
| 06:07.05 | mheath | But chrome doesn't? |
| 06:07.28 | mheath | OK, one more experiment |
| 06:07.30 | maquis | apparently |
| 06:07.31 | maquis | o |
| 06:07.37 | maquis | i'm gonna try firefox real quick |
| 06:07.37 | mheath | Manually specify your IP in the hosts file |
| 06:07.49 | mheath | blog.mysite.net 192.168.0.2 or whatever |
| 06:07.50 | mheath | then try |
| 06:08.02 | maquis | firefox gives me the useful error |
| 06:08.05 | maquis | chrome is stupid |
| 06:08.43 | maquis | note to self: don't use chrome when debugging stuff |
| 06:09.10 | maquis | chrome tells me "Oops! the link is broken", firefox tells me "hey, your wordpress config has a problem" |
| 06:09.21 | mheath | O.o |
| 06:09.26 | lahwran | o.O |
| 06:09.39 | mheath | That's....odd |
| 06:09.49 | maquis | curse you, chrome! |
| 06:09.52 | mheath | I would gather as much info and submit a bug report on Chrome, if I were you |
| 06:09.52 | maquis | and, thanks, mheath |
| 06:10.04 | maquis | i wouldn't've gotten that if you hadn't suggested telnet |
| 06:10.11 | maquis | i seriously have spent like 4 hours on this today |
| 06:10.15 | mheath | No problem :P Sorry I wasn't more useful. I was operating under the assumption that it wasn't the browsers fault :P |
| 06:10.21 | maquis | me too |
| 06:11.31 | maquis | google's help page about that page isn't helpful either... it says that the error happens when it can't connect to the web address |
| 06:12.51 | lahwran | note to self: if something times out in chrome, try it in firefox |
| 06:13.00 | maquis | lahwran: yeah... |
| 06:13.02 | mheath | I think browsers should be banned from showing ridiculous error messages |
| 06:13.13 | mheath | Didn't IE use to replace server 404's with a nondescript IE error page? |
| 06:13.37 | maquis | yay!!! it works!!! |
| 06:13.55 | lahwran | mheath, pretty sure |
| 06:17.36 | maquis | and.. now chrome shows it too |
| 06:18.10 | mheath | How long ago did you update the DNS? |
| 06:18.19 | mheath | I wonder if it just propegated as you were debugging |
| 06:18.40 | maquis | uh... DNS last updated... uh... 8 or 9 months ago? |
| 06:18.43 | maquis | so, i don't think so |
| 06:18.51 | maquis | i don't even remember where I have to go to change it... :P |
| 06:23.09 | mheath | maquis, apparently the DNS Prefretching in Google Chrome is known to have some odd glitches |
| 06:23.17 | mheath | at least according to the google chrome support forum |
| 06:23.33 | mheath | Options -> Under the Hood -> Uncheck "use DNS pre-fetching" |
| 06:26.01 | maquis | mheath: i still don't think it's a DNS issue, because it was correctly hitting the box and getting into the correct logfile when i split into two logfiles |
| 06:26.33 | maquis | i think chrome was just trying to protect the "poor innocent user" from seeing the "big nasty error message" |
| 06:26.44 | mheath | Well was it an anctual HTTP 400 error? |
| 06:27.02 | mheath | You made it sound like it was just an error in the HTML |
| 06:27.14 | maquis | no. it was a well-formatted html text that said that there was an error in my wordpress configs |
| 06:27.38 | mheath | I guess the other possibility was that Wordpress error page had invalid headers or something |
| 06:28.09 | maquis | yup... definitely not DNS |
| 06:28.12 | maquis | i just re-created it |
| 06:28.16 | maquis | :) |
| 06:28.21 | maquis | and chrome is giving the same error |
| 06:28.37 | maquis | oh |
| 06:28.52 | maquis | interesting... looking at the telnet response, actually, it looks like it formatted it as a 404 |
| 06:29.14 | maquis | which is kind-of true, because the problem is a config file named the wrong thing |
| 06:29.33 | mheath | You mean it is actually sending an HTTP 404 response? |
| 06:29.52 | maquis | yeah |
| 06:29.54 | mheath | Wow. I'm stunned that Chrome is one of those browsers that hides real 404s from you |
| 06:30.07 | maquis | with the text being an explanation of what config file is missing (or misnamed, in my case) |
| 06:30.20 | maquis | yeah |
| 06:30.23 | maquis | not helpful |
| 06:30.50 | maquis | i wonder if there's a config for that... |
| 06:31.25 | maquis | hrmmm... chrome's preferences are a bit... minimal |
| 06:31.45 | mheath | "If you want your own custom 404 error page to be displayed when a visitor reaches a non-existent page, you need to make sure that your page is larger than 512 bytes. Otherwise, Chrome will ignore your page and use its internal 404 error page" |
| 06:32.23 | maquis | what? |
| 06:32.27 | maquis | i mean... what's the point? |
| 06:32.38 | maquis | they actually coded in a special case for error pages that are too small? |
| 06:33.21 | mheath | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1695 |
| 06:33.51 | maquis | the *only* reason I can think to go to that trouble is if your browser crashes on pages smaller than 512 bytes |
| 06:34.32 | mheath | maquis, http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?answer=95671 |
| 06:35.15 | maquis | mheath: yeah... i had seen that page |
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| 06:35.26 | maquis | but it didn't explain that 404s or anything like that would give hat error |
| 06:35.48 | mheath | I know |
| 06:35.59 | maquis | i'm gonna add a complaint to the bug... |
| 06:36.04 | maquis | i mean... seriously |
| 06:36.06 | mheath | I meant that apparently following the instructions under "Enable or disable suggestions on navigation errors" makes it work better |
| 06:36.14 | mheath | though its not clear on that |
| 06:36.26 | maquis | that knocks out most of the general php errors, etc... |
| 06:36.34 | maquis | and just makes them look like apache errors |
| 06:37.01 | maquis | mheath: i'm going to try their suggestion and see if that makes it better |
| 06:37.45 | maquis | ah... that does help |
| 06:37.47 | maquis | ok |
| 06:37.52 | maquis | i'm keeping that that way |
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| 07:17.01 | Reilithion | lahwran: You lurkin'? |
| 07:19.15 | lahwran | yeah |
| 07:19.23 | lahwran | plug.org minecraft? |
| 07:21.58 | Reilithion | lahwran: It was working earlier today. I actually am just headed to bed, but I thought I'd let you know. |
| 07:22.32 | lahwran | yeah |
| 07:22.38 | lahwran | I've been playing it on and off all day |
| 07:22.58 | lahwran | built myself an epic underwater base |
| 07:22.58 | Reilithion | sweetness |
| 07:23.22 | lahwran | so hidden noone will find it without either my help or the map and map viewer |
| 07:24.57 | Reilithion | That's pretty cool |
| 07:26.31 | Reilithion | Probably I will hang out more on my friends' server, as it has hostile mobs to hunt. |
| 07:27.45 | Reilithion | So, what's so epic about your underwater base? |
| 07:33.09 | Reilithion | lahwran: ^^ |
| 07:33.25 | lahwran | yeah, why DOESN'T plug.org have hostile mobs? |
| 07:33.49 | lahwran | anyway, my underwater base is epic mainly because of how hidden it is |
| 07:34.05 | lahwran | to someone who didn't know it was there, it would look like I just randomly came out of the water |
| 07:34.16 | lahwran | and I can add entrances anywhere I want |
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