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| 05:08.48 | Reilithion | How am I supposed to keep these animals off of my crops? |
| 05:12.17 | sshaw | Reilithion: they added irc support to farmville? |
| 05:12.53 | Reilithion | lol |
| 05:12.59 | Reilithion | Nah, I'm playing Minecraft. |
| 05:13.12 | Reilithion | And I needed to complain really badly, so of course I chose #utah. ^_^ |
| 05:13.22 | sshaw | ah |
| 05:13.37 | sshaw | worth $10? |
| 05:14.44 | Reilithion | $13.50. Yes, it really is. |
| 05:15.02 | Reilithion | Especially since it sounds like Notch will release the source after he's made enough money. |
| 05:16.44 | sshaw | hasn't he made a fortune already? |
| 05:17.04 | sshaw | not that I'm opposed to him making tons of money |
| 05:17.30 | Reilithion | *shrugs* If I were him, I'd want to see how well the game did when it was actually released. |
| 05:17.48 | sshaw | true |
| 05:22.26 | Reilithion | I mean, if he's already made a fortune when it's in /alpha/... |
| 05:22.40 | sshaw | 687393 purchases |
| 05:22.56 | sshaw | even if it was only $10 a piece, thats 6.87 million |
| 05:23.07 | Reilithion | I'm insanely jealous. |
| 05:23.14 | sshaw | no kidding |
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| 06:41.58 | Reilithion | Also, my drowning trap needs work. I can't get it to kill both zombies and spiders. |
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| 07:52.15 | lahwran | Reilithion, you play minecraft? |
| 07:52.19 | lahwran | on plug? |
| 07:52.46 | lahwran | does the plug.org server work yet? |
| 08:01.47 | Reilithion | lahwran: I don't play it on plug, no |
| 08:01.51 | Reilithion | Think I should? |
| 08:01.59 | lahwran | well |
| 08:02.07 | lahwran | I haven't played on plug yet |
| 08:02.14 | lahwran | it always seems to be outdated |
| 08:02.28 | lahwran | however, I do play offline, and I'm making a mod |
| 08:02.38 | lahwran | Reilithion, what server *do* you play on? |
| 08:02.50 | Reilithion | Oh cool. What does your mod do? -- I play offline mostly. |
| 08:03.00 | lahwran | it's a hunger mod |
| 08:03.14 | lahwran | adds a hunger bar. makes you starve to death if you don't eat |
| 08:03.17 | Reilithion | Oh, crazy. |
| 08:03.25 | lahwran | replaces the function of food to recharge the hunger bar |
| 08:03.29 | Reilithion | Sounds hard-core. |
| 08:03.44 | lahwran | when I finish, there will be no way to heal anymore, if you get hurt you're screwed |
| 08:03.53 | Reilithion | wow |
| 08:03.53 | lahwran | I'll be writing a companion mod to fix this |
| 08:03.58 | Reilithion | Very hard-core |
| 08:04.05 | lahwran | add bandages, medicine |
| 08:04.11 | lahwran | only if you want it to be |
| 08:04.51 | Reilithion | So, what I really need is a mod to just change spiders into something else. Even if it just changes them into octopi or something, I don't care if they're still just as deadly. Spiders just creep me out. |
| 08:05.14 | lahwran | what you're looking for, my friend, is a texture pack |
| 08:05.21 | Reilithion | Sounds to |
| 08:05.25 | Reilithion | s/to/too/ |
| 08:05.28 | lahwran | ah |
| 08:05.33 | lahwran | that's not so easy |
| 08:05.35 | lahwran | shlurp :D |
| 08:05.42 | Reilithion | shudders |
| 08:05.45 | lahwran | xD |
| 08:05.49 | lahwran | how long you had it? |
| 08:06.17 | Reilithion | Minecraft? Bought it today. Though I did convince a friend to lend me his login for a short while so I could make sure it works on my computer. |
| 08:06.24 | lahwran | ah hahahaha |
| 08:06.30 | lahwran | you'll get used to the spiders :) |
| 08:07.22 | Reilithion | Well, it's not just me. My sister might play it if it weren't for the spiders. She's got what I would consider bona-fide arachnophobia. |
| 08:07.40 | lahwran | ah |
| 08:07.51 | lahwran | well, then investigate texture packs |
| 08:08.18 | lahwran | aaand it still says outdated client |
| 08:08.29 | Reilithion | :-( |
| 08:08.34 | lahwran | I know it worked at one point, I saw goozbach playing on it |
| 08:08.43 | lahwran | but I've never been able to connect |
| 08:09.38 | Reilithion | I need me a spider-drowning trap. |
| 08:10.00 | lahwran | I don't think mobs drown ... |
| 08:10.07 | Reilithion | Yeah, they do. |
| 08:10.14 | lahwran | huh |
| 08:10.23 | Reilithion | I already made a trap that drowns zombies, skeletons, and creepers. |
| 08:10.31 | Reilithion | But its entrance is 2x1 |
| 08:10.34 | Reilithion | :-( |
| 08:10.41 | lahwran | so make it bigger? |
| 08:10.56 | Reilithion | Tried. 3 different ways. All fail to even drown zombies anymore. |
| 08:11.09 | lahwran | O.o |
| 08:11.34 | Reilithion | See, it relies on having blocks above the mobs' heads so they can't resurface for air. |
| 08:11.40 | lahwran | I have been playing using some cheat mods to assist in the creation of my mod |
| 08:11.50 | lahwran | can't wait to finish and go back to hard core ... |
| 08:12.15 | Reilithion | But once I make the entrance 2x2, they just sit there bobbing above the surface and the current doesn't draw them under anymore. |
| 08:12.25 | lahwran | ah |
| 08:13.11 | lahwran | if you get a chance, investigate a sky trap |
| 08:13.47 | lahwran | go up as high as you can, build a large room, make it so there is a current out to a door but no waterfall |
| 08:13.57 | lahwran | and you have yourself a mob trap |
| 08:14.05 | Reilithion | hehehe |
| 08:14.14 | Reilithion | Actually, I've kind of done the opposite. |
| 08:14.19 | lahwran | works best of any mob trap I know of |
| 08:14.35 | lahwran | falling damage of course being the big thing |
| 08:14.37 | Reilithion | My main mining area right now is not a traditional tunnel-type mine, but rather an open-pit mine 20x20. |
| 08:14.46 | Reilithion | It has sheer walls and an open ceiling. |
| 08:15.06 | Reilithion | Mainly I'm concerned with keeping mobs out, but in case any manage to get in, they promptly fall to their deaths. ^_^ |
| 08:16.49 | lahwran | ahh |
| 08:16.51 | lahwran | nice |
| 08:16.52 | lahwran | http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=93573 |
| 08:16.57 | lahwran | check the pics out |
| 08:18.29 | Reilithion | Very pretty |
| 08:19.17 | lahwran | http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=97332 <<< my mod |
| 08:20.46 | Reilithion | Would't it be better to go above the armor bar? Take up less space? |
| 08:20.54 | lahwran | probably. |
| 08:21.12 | lahwran | that's just a somewhat makeshift bar renderer, I'll improve it once it's fully functional |
| 08:21.52 | Reilithion | ah |
| 08:23.10 | lahwran | Reilithion, if you find a really close server, I'd love to hear about it |
| 08:23.19 | lahwran | most servers are sooo slow |
| 08:23.37 | lahwran | mainly because minecraft uses tcp for multiplayer update frames (bleh) |
| 08:23.48 | Reilithion | A friend of mine might be running one. If it's working and fast, I'll let you know about it. |
| 08:23.48 | lahwran | tcp is just not meant for that |
| 08:23.56 | lahwran | ok, cool |
| 08:26.58 | Reilithion | Ah, so there are some drowning traps that will kill spiders. |
| 08:42.08 | Reilithion | There's also a ton of discussion on how to deal with chickens. |
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| 09:17.30 | Reilithion | Wow. Someone managed to build a trap that drowns chickens. |
| 09:22.30 | lahwran | lol? |
| 09:24.17 | Reilithion | Yeah, they don't sink like other mobs. So someone made a trap that draws them into a pool from beneath. |
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| 14:21.31 | goozbach | maybe we should get rsimpkins to get more than him access to update the server |
| 14:24.43 | goozbach | or I suppose I could fire up my own server. |
| 14:27.37 | lahwran | goozbach, that would be good |
| 14:27.51 | lahwran | notch just updated AGAIN a few minutes ago |
| 14:28.00 | lahwran | after updating twice two days ago |
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| 15:47.30 | thaddeusq | I have a mother-in-law asking about good wireless routers. Anybody got any suggestions? |
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| 16:45.19 | JessieAMorris | thaddeusq: I recently got a Linksys E1000. I really link Linksys and they appear to have a new product out just for this situation. "Valet" routers. |
| 16:45.31 | JessieAMorris | thaddeusq: http://home.cisco.com/en-us/wireless/valet/ |
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| 17:06.02 | maquis | holy cow! |
| 17:06.16 | maquis | my daughter is in a mood today |
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| 17:57.24 | rsimpkins | plug minecraft server updated |
| 18:00.51 | lahwran_ | ooh |
| 18:25.17 | sshaw | folded and bought minecraft |
| 18:26.27 | lahwran_ | sshaw, well I'm playing on plug.org any time you feel like taking a break to play it :0 |
| 18:26.31 | lahwran_ | s/0/)/ |
| 18:26.54 | sshaw | makes a note of it |
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| 19:05.14 | sjansen | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/12/close_the_washi.html |
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| 22:14.40 | goozbach | ~lart fozzmoo for just because |
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| 22:19.34 | maquis | i hate dealing with companies on the phone |
| 22:20.12 | maquis | i also hate how mortgage companies sell loans all over the place |
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| 22:34.50 | unum | I hate talking to people on the phone |
| 22:34.57 | unum | I'm fine talking to people in person |
| 22:35.03 | unum | but for some reason the phone bothers me |
| 22:35.04 | maquis | unum: yeah |
| 22:35.13 | unum | I prefer text messages or im's |
| 22:35.18 | maquis | i'd much rather deal with stuff online |
| 22:35.31 | unum | I hate it when my coworkers call me |
| 22:36.16 | maquis | I had one coworker who insisted that he had to either call or walk over to my desk for *everything*. Sometimes, he even called my phone to ask me to come over to his desk to answer a question he had. |
| 22:36.34 | maquis | And, invariably, the question was something that could be answered just as easily over IM |
| 22:36.42 | maquis | in one case, it required information that I had at my desk |
| 22:37.03 | maquis | so, I had to walk back to my desk, get the information, then walk back to his desk to answer the question |
| 22:37.32 | maquis | (it didn't help things that the guy wasn't exactly the quickest fish in the sea) |
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| 22:44.47 | Gate | unum: I prefer email. You can be explicit and clear and review what you say BEFORE you say it. |
| 22:47.37 | unum | Gate: true |
| 22:49.18 | unum | I've set up bug tracking software and issue tracking software for certain things so I have a stored and easily reviewed communication |
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| 22:49.46 | unum | but for quick questions and bug fixes they need right away I prefer im |
| 22:49.55 | unum | though I understand why they call on stuff they need right away |
| 22:50.36 | tyce | anyone in here familiar with 3ware's tw_cli? |
| 22:51.10 | TehLaser | attempting to discuss anything but the most trivial of bugs over IM or email is difficult. |
| 22:51.11 | eightyeight | i hate the phone |
| 22:51.29 | eightyeight | i thought of a great solution to my phone issues |
| 22:51.35 | TehLaser | A report, fine, but anything even approaching a cooperative bug hunt really ought to be done with higher bandwidth. |
| 22:51.49 | eightyeight | purchase an ipod, install the google voice app, and make calls when wifi is present |
| 22:51.53 | maquis | TehLaser: let me put it this way: "What's the command to do $something" is not a question that is better answered in person |
| 22:51.59 | eightyeight | in the case wifi isn't present, use a prepaid |
| 22:52.00 | maquis | and yet, this guy on my team insisted that it was |
| 22:52.19 | Gate | unum: my love of email and lesser like of IM has been greatly strengthened since I started working with indians (as in Dehli based contractors) |
| 22:52.38 | maquis | TehLaser: and, i've also seen a lot of instances where working over phone or in person made things much harder long-term |
| 22:52.39 | Gate | I can't understtand half of what they say on the phone, but IM and email they are clear and readable |
| 22:52.50 | TehLaser | heh, yeah. |
| 22:52.54 | maquis | in email and IM, you have a built-in timeline of when things happened |
| 22:53.16 | Gate | yep |
| 22:53.24 | TehLaser | typially answers such questions with "man" |
| 22:53.42 | maquis | I've been in meetings where we were trying to figure out what had caused an "event", and due to the fact that it was all handled over the phone or in person, we didn't have any of the times of what happened when, and weren't certain what order certain pieces happened in |
| 22:54.27 | maquis | In other root-cause meetings, we had IM logs (with timestamps), and email records which allowed us to piece together the timeline in a way that helped us figure out exactly what had happened (or rule out certain possibilities) |
| 22:54.34 | TehLaser | some of the people I work with do brief "call report"s via email whenever they end a phone call. |
| 22:54.44 | TehLaser | Just a sentance or two about what was discussed. |
| 22:55.08 | maquis | i've been on 3-hour long calls while dealing with a problem, and I'd much rather do it as a 3-hour IM session |
| 22:55.20 | maquis | Gate's point is also good :P |
| 22:55.48 | maquis | and, if it's 3am, I'd rather not be talking and waking up my husband... |
| 22:56.04 | Gate | maquis: the company I work with uses something called meetingplace (like a WebEx GotoMeeting competitor) where they can record everything, including screen sharing |
| 22:56.32 | maquis | Gate: how many people can it record screens of at once? |
| 22:56.35 | maquis | (if you're not sharing) |
| 22:56.48 | Gate | One person is the "presenter" so only one screen is being transmitted at a time |
| 22:56.55 | maquis | ah... |
| 22:57.04 | Gate | And you have to "agree" to be the presenter and start sharing |
| 22:57.16 | maquis | when i've been on high-severity issues, we often had 10 or more people working independently at the same time |
| 22:57.28 | Gate | Its useful, espeically since you can have a meeting with 5 remote locations all collaborating |
| 22:57.42 | maquis | that sounds like it could be useful for other circumstances... but for the type of thing i'm thinking of, we all needed our own computers |
| 22:57.52 | Gate | Yeah, this isn't meant to be watch each other work, this is "someone needs to show the group" |
| 22:57.59 | maquis | yeah |
| 22:58.24 | Gate | well, I am off to a meeting now, oddly enough. :) bbl |
| 22:58.32 | maquis | that would've been nice for nighttime deployments, though |
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| 23:28.55 | unum | wow we just hired an other 20 people |
| 23:29.06 | unum | kind of suprised since we just entered our slow season |
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| 23:36.00 | eightyeight | unum: at slc? |
| 23:42.11 | unum | eightyeight: ya, we reopened the call center |
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