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| 00:08.00 | Reilithion | sjansen: I could give you both if you like. |
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| 00:18.14 | vontrapp | pipe something | series; of; pipe to here; commands |
| 00:18.17 | vontrapp | discuss |
| 00:18.23 | vontrapp | now that the convert frenzy is over |
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| 00:31.17 | Reilithion | vontrapp: named pipes. |
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| 00:47.06 | goozbach | vontrapp: i dont understand |
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| 03:47.40 | eightyeight | in bash, how do i check the syntax of a command line argument? i want the argument to be in "server:/path" format |
| 03:48.01 | eightyeight | this should be a simple solution, but i'm pulling a mind plank |
| 03:48.07 | eightyeight | s/plank/blank/ |
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| 08:14.19 | Tene | eightyeight: you mean, use grep? |
| 08:14.57 | Tene | if echo $whatever | egrep -q '^[[:alpha:]]+:/.*' |
| 08:18.30 | Tene | eightyeight: alternately, if you want no external executables, use case |
| 08:21.10 | Tene | turn on extglob, and: case "$whatever" in +([[:alnum:].]):/* ) ... ;; esac |
| 08:22.20 | Tene | eightyeight: will either of those work? If not, what do you want that's not covered by that? |
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| 14:29.48 | goozbach | ok |
| 14:29.55 | goozbach | I'm working on my units database |
| 14:30.19 | goozbach | what's a good measurement for debian-release and ubuntu-release (I don't follow to closely) |
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| 14:43.48 | Sargun_Screen | LTS or normal? |
| 14:44.01 | goozbach | both |
| 14:44.13 | goozbach | ubuntu-lts-release would be one measurment |
| 14:44.23 | goozbach | ubuntu-release would be another |
| 14:44.26 | goozbach | 6months? |
| 14:49.06 | shalkie | For ubuntu-release = 6 months. LTS would be 2 years. |
| 14:50.18 | goozbach | my measurment for fedora-beta is 'one more week' |
| 14:50.22 | goozbach | :) |
| 14:50.33 | goozbach | just don't tell jsmith |
| 14:51.22 | shalkie | And here I thought it was "Just one more package to fix..." ;-) |
| 14:53.30 | goozbach | that could work too |
| 15:02.04 | vontrapp | goozbach: elg: I want the command "pipe to here" to take the pipe on stdin, and the rest to not take it |
| 15:02.51 | vontrapp | named pipes is a good suggestion, but the commands on the right of the pipe aren't necessarily on the same host even |
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| 15:06.48 | goozbach | do you have a better example? |
| 15:07.11 | goozbach | cat foo | cat; cat /etc/foo; echo foo; |
| 15:07.15 | goozbach | something like that? |
| 15:08.33 | vontrapp | cat foo | ssh host "mkdir -p some/dir; cat some/dir/tmpfile; etc..." |
| 15:09.07 | vontrapp | s/cat some/cat > some/ |
| 15:10.17 | goozbach | so you want to make a directory to drop a file over ssh cat? |
| 15:10.31 | goozbach | hmm |
| 15:12.25 | vontrapp | it might be something like | cat 4>&1; mkdir; cat > file 0<&4; finish |
| 15:31.53 | goozbach | jsmith: pop quiz hotshot! do you know what the unit of measurement "erlang" is? |
| 15:32.15 | vontrapp | obscurity? |
| 15:32.38 | vontrapp | misunderstandedness? |
| 15:32.52 | jsmith | goozbach: Yeah... it's a measurement of capacity planning |
| 15:33.05 | goozbach | vontrapp: it has to do with telephony |
| 15:33.12 | jsmith | goozbach: For call centers, in particular -- how many people do you have to have on the phones to handle X number of calls within Y seconds |
| 15:33.32 | jsmith | goozbach: I thought you were gonna ask me something hard :-) |
| 15:33.36 | goozbach | :) |
| 15:33.51 | goozbach | I just saw that erlang isn' defined in the units file |
| 15:34.09 | goozbach | because there are many definitions and most are dimensionless |
| 15:34.10 | jsmith | goozbach: (The reason the language erlang is called that is because Ericsson was designing the language around telecomm processors) |
| 15:34.34 | goozbach | the definition I saw was 'one channel occupied for an hour' |
| 15:35.26 | jsmith | Yeah, that's a pretty good explanation |
| 15:35.59 | goozbach | jsmith: what's the high-low on fedora releases? |
| 15:36.21 | goozbach | the 'goal' is every 6 months, but what's the actualitity? |
| 15:36.24 | jsmith | Of course, that's always assuming a Poission distribution -- which you can't always count on |
| 15:36.49 | vontrapp | <3 poission |
| 15:36.50 | jsmith | goozbach: The goal is six months after the previous release. The actuality is that we usually slip our schedule a week or two. |
| 15:37.04 | jsmith | goozbach: For F14 for example, we only slipped one week. |
| 15:37.10 | jsmith | goozbach: For F13, I think we slipped two or three |
| 15:37.27 | jsmith | goozbach: For F15, we're purposely making the release two weeks longer, so that FUDCon happens before the feature freeze. |
| 15:37.28 | goozbach | jsmith: did you see my definition for fedorabeta? |
| 15:37.34 | jsmith | goozbach: Nope... |
| 15:37.45 | goozbach | one fedorabeta == 'one more week' |
| 15:37.49 | goozbach | :) |
| 15:37.55 | jsmith | *sigh* |
| 15:38.01 | jsmith | Too true... |
| 15:38.18 | jsmith | That's what we get for having objective, criteria-based release metrics |
| 15:38.25 | jsmith | "It's not done until the checklist says it is" |
| 15:38.35 | goozbach | that's the way it should be |
| 15:39.23 | jsmith | Well, I obviously think so |
| 15:39.30 | jsmith | Others may disagree |
| 15:40.20 | goozbach | as long as you don't start adding betas together |
| 15:40.38 | goozbach | I think that one fedora == fedorarelease + fedorabeta |
| 15:40.58 | goozbach | where fedorarelease is a hard 6 months, and fedorabeta is 1-2 weeks |
| 15:41.38 | jsmith | Well, we can slip at alpha, beta, or release time |
| 15:41.49 | jsmith | The F14 slip, for example, was before the Alpha |
| 15:42.49 | vontrapp | what color would you say fedora's blue is in rgb.txt? |
| 15:48.25 | jsmith | #3C6EB4 |
| 15:48.43 | goozbach | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Color_Palette |
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| 15:59.16 | sjansen | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/pdf-devel/2010-11/msg00006.html |
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| 16:35.56 | sjansen | http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/clip.php?appid=599164944 |
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| 17:12.03 | shalkie | sjansen: Along those lines Napolitano recently introduced scanners at JFK, but apparently didn't want to demonstrate them: http://bit.ly/9GOSDO |
| 17:19.15 | vontrapp | i'm sure the "display" versions that they tout, and likewise the images you can find on the internet, are dummed down, purposely degraded images. |
| 17:19.33 | vontrapp | i bet the real machines in everyday use are much crisper |
| 17:20.14 | jsmith | vontrapp: Of course they are -- they could tell I had a piece of paper (boarding pass) in my pocket! |
| 17:20.26 | vontrapp | even this one is pretty dang clear |
| 17:20.29 | vontrapp | http://drleonardcoldwell.com/2010/04/22/body-scanners-cause-cancer/ |
| 17:20.33 | vontrapp | (NSFW) |
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| 17:22.11 | JoshH | so how do we get that technology in a pair of sunglasses |
| 17:23.27 | vontrapp | my assumption, without having read anything technical on it, is that the "receiver" is quite large, and collects scattered rays from all directions and reassembles an image, hence "back-scatter" |
| 17:23.39 | vontrapp | if so, then getting it in glasses would be an amazing feat |
| 17:24.02 | JoshH | give it time |
| 17:24.29 | Gate | Heartsbane: ping |
| 17:30.14 | vontrapp | i also love how they always showcase a gun |
| 17:30.39 | vontrapp | Look! See, this person had a gun that would not have been noticed, good thing for this machine to see the gun! |
| 17:30.47 | vontrapp | yah, that's what a metal detector is for, bozos |
| 17:33.53 | goozbach | vontrapp: it's a newfangled ceramic gun |
| 17:36.38 | Heartsbane | Gate: sup |
| 17:37.32 | Gate | yo, what was the name of that sales guy at Xmission you referred me to way back when? |
| 17:37.58 | Gate | My company is pissed at baja and we are trying to set up an Xmission account |
| 17:38.21 | Heartsbane | Talk to John Webster |
| 17:39.57 | Heartsbane | he will get you where/what you need and get you to a rep like mandy |
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| 17:50.15 | MarkyInnis | hello utah. |
| 17:54.27 | sjansen | ~greet MarkyInnis |
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| 17:59.21 | goozbach | ibot: reload |
| 17:59.21 | ibot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (n required) |
| 17:59.35 | vontrapp | haha, "n required" |
| 18:00.04 | goozbach | my bot lets anyone reload ... |
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| 18:02.06 | Gate | Heartsbane: thanks |
| 18:22.57 | Gate | mumbles about the evils of qwest and ISPs in general who charge for business connections that don't add featuers |
| 18:23.14 | Gate | double the price for the exact same connection. |
| 18:34.55 | sjansen | Are you sure it doesn't include a better service level agreement? |
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| 18:47.40 | goozbach | infobot is hard |
| 18:47.49 | goozbach | ibot: hard? |
| 18:47.49 | ibot | it has been said that hard is it be question mark?, or woody |
| 18:48.13 | goozbach | ibot: hard is also coding me |
| 18:48.13 | ibot | goozbach: okay |
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| 19:24.03 | joeedh | um. anyone want to look at this blog post, and tell me if it makes sense? it's semi-political, but I believe both parties agree on it so hopefully not too bad: http://joeedh.wordpress.com/2010/11/17/balancing-the-budget-saving-the-working-class/ |
| 19:28.26 | vontrapp | deficits causing outsourcing is a little more complex then you make it out to be, but i do agree |
| 19:39.47 | joeedh | it is? |
| 19:40.01 | joeedh | (I mean that honestly, not sarcastically) |
| 19:40.41 | joeedh | I thought overvaluing the dollar was all there were to it, plus the government's emphasis on consumption over investment and savings. |
| 19:40.50 | joeedh | but, obviously I can be wrong :) |
| 19:41.32 | vontrapp | well, it's the right idea |
| 19:41.34 | joeedh | wonders if the reason no one seems shocks, is everyone but him already knew this? |
| 19:41.57 | joeedh | was shocked when he first heard paul volcker explain this--in a 1982 c-span video. five years before he was even born! |
| 19:42.21 | vontrapp | you were shocked five years before you were born? |
| 19:42.23 | vontrapp | i'm sorry |
| 19:42.52 | goozbach | you see... his dad ordered a time machine out of a magazine... |
| 19:43.03 | joeedh | :) well, on the c-span archive. I actually had to email them and request it; they have a huge backlog of pre-1990 videos they transcode on demand |
| 19:43.32 | vontrapp | deficits, rather than being paid for by loss of jobs, instead are a very real and very literal reallocation of human endeavor |
| 19:44.14 | vontrapp | it's not just about those taxed to pay for it, but say, in a purely deficit-paid endeavor, you still have to employ the manpower to carry out that endeavor |
| 19:44.19 | joeedh | they do lead to a declining domestic production base, though. and lately, whenever I read of some protest of spending cuts, I think to myself "do the working class deserve this?" |
| 19:44.40 | vontrapp | that can be foreign manpower, or local manpower reallocated to that endeavor (and away from more productive things, like manufacturing) |
| 19:44.47 | joeedh | right |
| 19:44.52 | vontrapp | so yes, it destroys our manufacturing base and results in outsourcing |
| 19:45.12 | vontrapp | that's all i mean by oversimplified |
| 19:45.27 | vontrapp | there's more going on, and more things interrelated |
| 19:45.46 | vontrapp | even still i'm simplifying it ;) |
| 19:45.59 | joeedh | I have to explain this in a clear way though. . .too many people have given the simplistic "borrowing is taxing" without explaining why. |
| 19:47.01 | joeedh | I agree with you it's complicated though. seems human social behaviors are often |
| 19:47.04 | vontrapp | i think the simplis explanation for that is, anything done NOW has to be accomplished by CURRENT resources. money, whether debt or outright taxed, buys and allocates those resources |
| 19:47.18 | joeedh | right |
| 19:47.21 | vontrapp | money is the great red herring in all this. the real issue is the allocation of REAL resources |
| 19:48.02 | joeedh | right. like social security problems aren't so much money issues as producitvity issues; productivity must grow by quite a lot to meet unproductive demand, otherwise real incomes will fall |
| 19:48.23 | vontrapp | exactly |
| 19:50.05 | goozbach | who else has done infobot hacking? |
| 19:50.14 | vontrapp | ibot? |
| 19:50.18 | vontrapp | ibot: hack yourself |
| 19:50.18 | ibot | ACTION teaches yourself nethack so that yourself will play until 6 AM |
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| 20:57.04 | sjansen | Google's link preview is starting to piss me off. |
| 20:57.18 | sjansen | Before it was introduced, I could reliable click on a link. |
| 20:57.28 | sjansen | Now my clicks get swallowed about 50% of the time. |
| 21:08.36 | Gate | yep, you click on the body of the text |
| 21:08.45 | Gate | I think you can turn it off. not 100% sure, doesn't bother me |
| 21:17.31 | JoshH | anyone else's pidgin unable to use msn today? wondering if they changed the servers or whatever again. ssl cert error. |
| 21:17.58 | sjansen | JoshH: I'm seeing the same. |
| 21:18.16 | vontrapp | i had that this morning |
| 21:18.20 | vontrapp | turned it off |
| 21:18.39 | JoshH | k |
| 21:19.17 | Gate | JoshH: my finch (command line pidgin) has some SSL issue |
| 21:19.39 | Gate | I just shut it off after the third warning |
| 21:20.10 | JoshH | SALT LAKE CITY â Rocky Anderson will once again lead a protest against former President George W. Bush, this time for authorizing torture. |
| 21:20.13 | JoshH | Bush will be in Utah Friday to sign copies of his new book "Decision Points" at the Costco in Sandy from 1 p.m. until 3 p.m. |
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| 21:22.07 | JoshH | my wife was using it with msn messenger for mac today, so they might have done something that locked out other clients again |
| 21:27.19 | tensai | goozbach: I've submitted a few infobot patches |
| 21:28.05 | goozbach | tensai: I'm having issues writing my own module |
| 21:28.52 | goozbach | I copied upsidedown.pl to goozsays.pl and removed everything but the " &::performStrictReply( "gooz says $message" ) );" line |
| 21:29.14 | goozbach | and I anticipate that sending the bot the command "goozsays foo" would return "goozbach says foo" |
| 21:29.29 | goozbach | but it doesn't fork like upsidedown.pl and reverse.pl do |
| 21:30.01 | unum | why are republicans always signing book at costco |
| 21:30.06 | unum | never at a bookstore? |
| 21:30.20 | JoshH | costcos are big and the people that shop there have money |
| 21:30.29 | JoshH | that's my guess anyway |
| 21:30.57 | unum | people have to have a membership to get in and that prevents just anyone coming in and harassing you |
| 21:31.13 | JoshH | you can go in without a membership, but you have to have one to buy anything |
| 21:31.19 | JoshH | but they might check your cards before the signings, i dunno |
| 21:32.26 | vontrapp | they've always checked membership at the door anytime i've been |
| 21:33.16 | tensai | you can request a visitor pass if you really want in. they'll charge you a percentage fee at the register. |
| 21:33.18 | JoshH | i usually just walk right in without showing it, and they never care |
| 21:33.31 | tensai | goozbach: it's been a long time since I hacked on it |
| 21:33.53 | tensai | as I recall it wasn't all that difficult to add the onjoin feature |
| 21:34.09 | tensai | goozbach: what is it you're trying to do? |
| 21:34.19 | JoshH | you also don't need a membership to use their pharmacy |
| 21:35.34 | goozbach | tensai: basicly a hello world, to see if I understand how to write a module |
| 21:35.39 | goozbach | which apparently I don't |
| 21:36.00 | tensai | so problem solved |
| 21:36.09 | goozbach | hah |
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| 21:38.18 | tensai | ~upsidedown goozbach |
| 21:40.17 | goozbach | ~reverse goozbach |
| 21:40.39 | goozbach | ibot is forking! |
| 21:42.16 | tensai | ~fork you |
| 21:42.16 | ibot | ACTION creates an identical you, but with a different id |
| 21:43.54 | goozbach | hey I'm a clone! |
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| 21:49.33 | Gate | ... If they clone me, there could be a world pasta shortage in days. |
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