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| 04:48.23 | opapo | If I change it from a wildcard to a fully qualified name it continues with the process. |
| 05:02.14 | Tene | http://www.pennandteller.com/03/coolstuff/penniphile/roadpennfederalvip.html |
| 05:06.25 | fozzmoo | I'll be real happy if this controversy results in some sanity in airports. |
| 05:06.50 | fozzmoo | I say get rid of the TSA and let the airlines themselves go back to doing their own security. |
| 05:07.05 | fozzmoo | If they want to touch people, that's fine. You're paying the airlines to fly. |
| 05:07.31 | fozzmoo | But, really, the airlines will do what needs to be done: profiling. |
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| 05:18.18 | Tene | this security theater is pretty ridiculous. |
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| 15:45.11 | ibot | cowers |
| 15:45.51 | vontrapp | i have a large svn repo with sevaral large binary files checked in |
| 15:46.17 | vontrapp | i want to git svn clone it, but git tries to delta-compress the binaries and runs out of memory very quickly trying to do so |
| 15:47.53 | vontrapp | i'd be happy with turning of dc completely, making binaries not dc, or excluding a portion of history from the clone, I just don't know what would be the best (or possible) way to go about it |
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| 16:52.22 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 16:52.22 | ibot | slaps stderr around with a large trout |
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| 17:47.53 | sjansen | grumbles about developers who push floods of tiny patches to github |
| 17:50.28 | goozbach | sjansen: what's wrong with that!? |
| 17:50.31 | goozbach | :) |
| 17:52.23 | sjansen | I like being subscribed to an RSS feed of my watched projects. |
| 17:52.43 | sjansen | But I'm getting tired of "Fix X" "Fix X again" "Really fix X" |
| 17:52.55 | sjansen | Do some freeking QA before pushing to a public repo! |
| 17:53.05 | goozbach | ahh that yes |
| 17:53.21 | goozbach | but not add feature x |
| 17:53.24 | sjansen | I mean git makes juggling branches and merging patches stupid simple. |
| 17:53.24 | goozbach | add feature y |
| 17:53.28 | goozbach | add feature z |
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| 17:54.06 | goozbach | where each of those came from a feature branch with multiple "finshed feature x, for reals this time" commits |
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| 19:02.00 | neybar | sjansen++ |
| 19:05.51 | sjansen | wonders how much karma he's missed out on becuase people forgot the ~ |
| 19:39.44 | neybar | ~sjansen++ |
| 19:41.18 | tarrant | I hate Gentoo. We have one gentoo box at work and it has decided to forget where /dev/sda and /dev/sdb are located. |
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| 19:52.59 | rsimpkins | http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/national/screaming-toddlers-airport-patdown-111710 |
| 19:53.03 | rsimpkins | This stuff makes me sick. |
| 19:54.00 | goozbach | rsimpkins: have you had a chance to update the plug.or minecraft server? |
| 19:54.04 | goozbach | :( |
| 19:54.07 | goozbach | er :) |
| 19:59.05 | rsimpkins | goozbach: I updated it yesterday. |
| 19:59.09 | rsimpkins | goozbach: Does it need it again? |
| 20:02.12 | *** topic/#utah by rsimpkins -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | minecraft multiplayer: plug.org | Would you like to be irradiated or groped today? $10,000 fine for refusing both. |
| 20:03.37 | goozbach | rsimpkins: haven't checked today tks |
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| 20:44.09 | TimRiker | query infobot |
| 20:44.24 | TimRiker | heh |
| 20:44.35 | TimRiker | ~convert 22 mm to inches |
| 20:44.52 | TimRiker | ~convert 22milimeters to inches |
| 20:45.03 | jsmith | ~convert 22 millimeters to inches |
| 20:45.12 | TimRiker | ~convert 22 millimeters to inches |
| 20:45.19 | TimRiker | stupid bot. |
| 20:45.21 | jsmith | 0.866141732 inches |
| 20:45.36 | TimRiker | ~convert 22 millimeters to miles |
| 20:45.43 | TimRiker | ~convert 22 millimeters to meters |
| 20:45.54 | TimRiker | looks pretty broken to me |
| 20:46.08 | TimRiker | ~reload |
| 20:46.08 | ibot | reloading... |
| 20:46.08 | ibot | reloaded: |
| 20:47.43 | sjansen | reload? |
| 20:47.57 | jsmith | reloads |
| 20:48.42 | goozbach | ~convert 22 millimeters to meters |
| 20:48.52 | goozbach | ha ha! still broken! |
| 20:50.13 | jsmith | ~shoot ibot |
| 20:50.13 | ibot | ACTION shoots ibot in the eye with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 20:50.31 | Jayce^ | good thing you reloaded |
| 20:52.27 | goozbach | Jayce^: did you see my bash roulette from my presentation? |
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| 21:05.11 | *** topic/#utah is logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | minecraft multiplayer: plug.org | Would you like to be irradiated or groped today? $10,000 fine for refusing both. |
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| 21:06.07 | ibot | feels much better now |
| 21:08.12 | TimRiker | ~convert 22 millimeters to inches |
| 21:08.18 | TimRiker | :) |
| 21:08.22 | Reilithion | nice |
| 21:08.44 | Reilithion | ~convert 180 pounds to kilograms |
| 21:09.22 | Reilithion | Does it make use of Google convert? |
| 21:09.30 | TimRiker | ~convert 120 miles/hour to meters/second |
| 21:09.46 | TimRiker | no. using the 'unit' command |
| 21:10.15 | Reilithion | hmm |
| 21:10.29 | TimRiker | s/unit/units/ |
| 21:12.08 | Reilithion | ~convert 7000 joules to kilowatt-hours |
| 21:12.17 | Reilithion | ~convert 7000 joules to kilowatt hours |
| 21:13.36 | Reilithion | ~convert 1 sjansen to eightyeights |
| 21:13.46 | Reilithion | drat. ;-) |
| 21:14.59 | jsmith | ~convert 1 calorie to gigawatts |
| 21:15.17 | Reilithion | ~convert 1 calorie to gigawatt hours |
| 21:15.34 | Reilithion | jsmith: You were trying to convert a unit of energy into a unit of power. |
| 21:16.11 | jsmith | I know... |
| 21:16.14 | jsmith | I was being silly |
| 21:16.16 | Reilithion | ah |
| 21:17.22 | Reilithion | ~convert 1.21 gigawatts to bolts of lightning |
| 21:17.48 | Reilithion | Hey, that one should totally work |
| 21:18.01 | jsmith | I don't think "bolts of lightning" is a unit of measure |
| 21:18.19 | vontrapp | "average bolts of lightning" then |
| 21:18.26 | Reilithion | ~convert 1.21 gigawatts to average bolts of lightning |
| 21:18.32 | Reilithion | Drat. |
| 21:18.44 | vontrapp | ~convert 1.21 gigawatts to bolts |
| 21:18.52 | Reilithion | What the heck is a bolt, then? |
| 21:19.02 | vontrapp | convert 3 bolts to apples |
| 21:19.08 | vontrapp | ~convert 3 bolts to apples |
| 21:19.16 | vontrapp | ~convert 3 bolts to stones |
| 21:19.25 | vontrapp | ~convert 3 bolts to hogsheads |
| 21:19.35 | vontrapp | ~convert 3 bolts to bushels |
| 21:19.39 | elg | ~convert 3 bolts to yards |
| 21:19.40 | vontrapp | meh |
| 21:19.45 | TimRiker | ~convert bolts |
| 21:19.47 | elg | bolts of fabric, people. |
| 21:19.59 | vontrapp | ~shoot elg |
| 21:19.59 | ibot | ACTION shoots elg in the head with a phase pistol! |
| 21:20.02 | elg | apparently a bolt of fabric is 40 yards |
| 21:20.07 | vontrapp | you've been to the fabric store with mom too many times |
| 21:20.21 | TimRiker | ~convert 60 miles/hours to barleygrains/blink |
| 21:20.25 | elg | you obviously didn't pay enough attention :) |
| 21:20.32 | TimRiker | ~convert 60 miles/hours to barleycorns/blink |
| 21:20.48 | Reilithion | say what? |
| 21:20.58 | goozbach | ~convert 1 newton to joule |
| 21:23.03 | vontrapp | ~convert 1 newton to foot pound |
| 21:23.05 | elg | ~convert harleypig/volkswagen to angles/pinhead |
| 21:23.49 | vontrapp | convert 1 newton to gravity |
| 21:23.54 | vontrapp | ~convert 1 newton to gravity |
| 21:24.19 | Reilithion | ~convert 10000 joules to kilowatt blinks |
| 21:24.24 | goozbach | the units command is extensible |
| 21:24.44 | TimRiker | ~convert 1 newton to gravity |
| 21:24.46 | goozbach | we need to put ibot's units.dat file into revision control |
| 21:24.48 | vontrapp | you mean i can define 1 goozbach as 10 crowns? |
| 21:24.49 | TimRiker | heh |
| 21:24.58 | TimRiker | ~convert 1 newton to gravity |
| 21:25.01 | goozbach | TimRiker: put it up on github, now! |
| 21:25.11 | TimRiker | it's in svn already. |
| 21:25.16 | TimRiker | ~infobot |
| 21:25.16 | ibot | infobot is probably in need of training, can someone train me? |
| 21:25.17 | goozbach | the units.dat |
| 21:25.20 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 21:25.23 | goozbach | ? |
| 21:25.35 | goozbach | the units.dat is packaged with ibot? |
| 21:25.45 | TimRiker | units.dat is used from the units command. send your patches upstream |
| 21:25.45 | vontrapp | svn, ewww |
| 21:25.51 | Reilithion | vontrapp: amen |
| 21:26.14 | goozbach | I'm saying that we should put the specific units.dat that ibot references under revision control and use it to make funny measurments |
| 21:26.28 | goozbach | stuff that the upstream wouldn't care about |
| 21:26.29 | vontrapp | ~goozbach++ |
| 21:26.58 | goozbach | heck, I'll maintain it if you give me a push location to update the units file on that server |
| 21:27.03 | TimRiker | infobot used to have it's own units file, but it got out of date, and could not handle things like: |
| 21:27.16 | TimRiker | ~convert 45 degF to degC |
| 21:27.17 | Reilithion | ~convert 1 planck to meters^2 kilograms / seconds |
| 21:27.25 | Reilithion | ... no it isn't |
| 21:27.37 | TimRiker | so we nuked it, and used the system command. |
| 21:27.45 | goozbach | yes |
| 21:27.52 | goozbach | that's the dat file I want access to |
| 21:28.16 | goozbach | the dat file for the units system command on the box upon which this invocation of ibot is running |
| 21:28.18 | goozbach | :) |
| 21:28.33 | Reilithion | ~convert 1 planck to barleycorns^2 kilograms / blinks |
| 21:28.58 | goozbach | hmmm my units file doesn't have 'smoots' |
| 21:29.41 | TimRiker | should be easy enough to use the -f units option and add a local units file in addition to the system one. |
| 21:29.57 | vontrapp | TimRiker: that sounds superb |
| 21:30.25 | Reilithion | Ah, nothing like a room full of hackers discovering a new toy. |
| 21:30.52 | TimRiker | I suppose the real treat would be to support factoids like "units sjansen" is "blah" and then create a units file to feed in when rewuired. |
| 21:31.06 | TimRiker | s/rewuired/required/ |
| 21:31.39 | goozbach | +1 for that idea |
| 21:32.49 | Gate | I was in the Sears tower in Chicago last week, at the bottom they had the height of the building measured in Oprahs |
| 21:32.49 | goozbach | change the invocation of units from system(units) to system(units.$channel) |
| 21:33.02 | goozbach | change the invocation of units from system(units) to system(units -f'' -f units.$channel) |
| 21:33.12 | goozbach | so it loads both |
| 21:33.23 | Gate | And a scale that told you how tall you had to be for the building was so many of you tall |
| 21:36.25 | goozbach | what's the url for infobot's SVN? |
| 21:36.31 | goozbach | ~infobot? |
| 21:36.32 | ibot | well, infobot is in need of training, can someone train me? |
| 21:36.38 | goozbach | ~blootbot? |
| 21:36.38 | ibot | rumour has it, blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. This project is now merged back into the main infobot project. See [infobot] |
| 21:36.42 | TimRiker | ~infobotsvn |
| 21:36.47 | TimRiker | hmm |
| 21:36.50 | TimRiker | ~infobot svn |
| 21:36.56 | goozbach | ~svn |
| 21:36.56 | ibot | Subversion (aka SVN) is version control software that aims to be a better CVS than CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/. |
| 21:37.02 | goozbach | bah |
| 21:37.14 | Reilithion | ~svn infobot |
| 21:37.23 | Reilithion | ~svninfobot |
| 21:37.41 | TimRiker | ~infobotsvn is svn co https://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot infobot |
| 21:37.41 | ibot | okay, TimRiker |
| 21:38.25 | Reilithion | I'm with Linus. There is no way to "do CVS right". |
| 21:40.06 | goozbach | clones infobot to add units per channel |
| 21:40.31 | Reilithion | goozbach: Stick it in a sane VCS while you're at it. ;-) |
| 21:41.06 | goozbach | Reilithion: git svn clone to the rescue! |
| 21:41.13 | Reilithion | sweet |
| 21:41.19 | goozbach | it's cloneing as we speak |
| 21:41.32 | goozbach | I'll probabally push it to github at the same time |
| 21:41.52 | TimRiker | better to email me a diff. :) |
| 21:42.46 | tensai | ~diff TimRiker |
| 21:43.04 | goozbach | while this is cloning, does infobot use a tmpfile location by default? |
| 21:43.16 | goozbach | or is everything done with sqllite dbs or the like? |
| 21:43.25 | vontrapp | pipe something | series; of; pipe to here; commands |
| 21:43.27 | vontrapp | discuss |
| 21:43.35 | sjansen | goozbach: one sjansen equals seven awesomes |
| 21:43.45 | sjansen | scratch that |
| 21:43.51 | goozbach | sjansen: that works, but what does an awesome equal? |
| 21:43.52 | sjansen | goozbach: one sjansen equals seven kinds of awesome |
| 21:44.26 | sjansen | goozbach: an awesome is a tenth of a git |
| 21:44.51 | goozbach | searches for a git in units.dat |
| 21:45.05 | vontrapp | goozbach: no need to tie an awesome to something else, is there? |
| 21:45.08 | goozbach | well I guess we could make awesomes a base unit |
| 21:45.10 | goozbach | vontrapp: no |
| 21:45.12 | vontrapp | you can have a separate conformability pool |
| 21:45.17 | TimRiker | most of infobot uses a sqlite or mysql database. there are a few things that use temp files. |
| 21:45.40 | vontrapp | can you have two base units in one conformability pool? |
| 21:46.02 | vontrapp | you could have it create a new base unit every time a new definition is made that doesn't conform to a base unit |
| 21:46.23 | goozbach | TimRiker: are the tmpfiles realitive to $PWD of the process or absolute? |
| 21:46.37 | goozbach | svn is SLOOOOOOOW |
| 21:47.26 | TimRiker | goozbach, some are in $PWD/Temp/ if I recall correctly. |
| 21:47.57 | TimRiker | the old units file used to be in files/ but it was not editable from the bot. |
| 21:48.58 | goozbach | k, I'll be using system(units -f '' -f Temp/units.$channel) for my invocation of units, and come up with the storage mech for the units file. |
| 21:49.17 | goozbach | *IF* this svn co ever finishes |
| 21:49.39 | TimRiker | the debian module puts package lists in files/debian/ |
| 21:50.31 | TimRiker | hmm. I don't see anything using Temp/ anymore. |
| 22:00.03 | TimRiker | if you want to support per-channel units, you should support "#channelname unitname" = "conversion" and look for that before you look for "unitname" by itself. |
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| 22:01.14 | goozbach | TimRiker: you mean on lookup? have the per-channel have a higher priority? |
| 22:01.42 | TimRiker | as for the file... files/units.dat is probably the most logical place for it. or better $bot_data_dir/units.dat |
| 22:02.14 | TimRiker | if you feel like adding per-channel, then yet. but I think bot-wide is a good start. |
| 22:02.33 | TimRiker | add ubuntu-release and debian-release as time units. :) |
| 22:03.58 | TimRiker | should probably add a header comment in the file that says it is generated from "units *" factoids so that someone does not get confused and try to add things directly there. |
| 22:05.53 | goozbach | like that ideah |
| 22:07.26 | *** topic/#utah by TimRiker -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | minecraft multiplayer: plug.org | SLLUG meeting Tonight, Nov 17th 7:10pm - Joseph Hall - Advanced Linux Filesystems http://sllug.org/ |
| 22:07.40 | JoshH | man i wish i could make that |
| 22:07.41 | goozbach | TimRiker: is $bot_data_dir a global var? |
| 22:08.26 | TimRiker | goozbach, you may need a qw entry, I don't recall. see other modules that use it, like Debian.pl |
| 22:09.13 | TimRiker | $::bot_data_dir should work. |
| 22:10.19 | goozbach | mayhaps an intro to ibot hacking presentation would be a good LUG meeting topic |
| 22:10.29 | TimRiker | heh |
| 22:10.40 | TimRiker | if there's interest, I'd be happy to. :) |
| 22:10.47 | goozbach | maybe I'll write up a getting started guide |
| 22:11.02 | goozbach | it's about time for my bi-annual blogpost |
| 22:11.06 | TimRiker | really need to hack up a new POE version that supports a web interface and other IM protocols too. |
| 22:11.45 | goozbach | man POE |
| 22:11.47 | JoshH | biannual? that's frequent compared to me |
| 22:11.59 | goozbach | shakes head, that's deep voodoo THat I've lost |
| 22:12.00 | JoshH | in fact, i've never posted on my blog |
| 22:12.01 | sjansen | POE == Plain Old Erlang |
| 22:12.24 | goozbach | TimRiker: patches welcome :) |
| 22:12.32 | TimRiker | ~poe |
| 22:12.33 | ibot | i guess poe is Perl Object Environment, an event driven daemon architecture, http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/01/poe.html?wwwrrr_20010117.txt. Power Over Ethernet, a method to fed power through a RJ45 connector from the ethernet switch to devices: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_over_Ethernet |
| 22:14.12 | TimRiker | the Net::IRC interfaces that infobot use are old and unmaintained. POE was supposed to be the way forward, but I don't know any bots actually using it. it does allow multi-protocol though which would be a pain to implement in Net::IRC. |
| 22:14.42 | goozbach | TimRiker: there's a poebot which uses it |
| 22:14.50 | goozbach | or there was back when I was using poe |
| 22:14.51 | TimRiker | Net::IRC does support multi-connect, which infobot supports. infobot does not really support multi-network though, and it would be nice if it did. |
| 22:15.13 | TimRiker | goozbach, there are demo bots that use it, but I don't know anyone that runs them full time. |
| 22:15.42 | goozbach | ~convert 1 mile to shoesize_men(12) |
| 22:15.53 | goozbach | AWESOME! |
| 22:15.57 | TimRiker | :) |
| 22:16.18 | TimRiker | ~convert shoesize_men(13) to barleycorns |
| 22:17.02 | goozbach | there are 4k lines in the units database |
| 22:17.16 | vontrapp | ~convert shoesize_men(9) to rods |
| 22:19.08 | goozbach | units dat files can include! |
| 22:19.19 | goozbach | units is much more complex than I thought |
| 22:24.12 | goozbach | I'm gonna start by implementing these measurments: |
| 22:24.14 | goozbach | http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/11/10-ways-geeks-measure-the-world/ |
| 22:29.34 | JoshH | wonders how many guns von fugal owns and whether he carries |
| 22:36.34 | stderr | less than me |
| 22:36.41 | sjansen | points out that an awesome is not convertible to megafonzies but may be convertible to thaums |
| 22:39.24 | TimRiker | goozbach, should add support for just "units <unitname>" that would show the definition. |
| 22:39.37 | goozbach | TimRiker: good point |
| 22:39.44 | TimRiker | as "convert <unitname>" I suppose |
| 22:39.52 | TimRiker | ~convert barleycorns |
| 22:40.02 | TimRiker | that just msgs an error message at present. |
| 22:40.06 | TimRiker | the help text. |
| 22:40.37 | TimRiker | more useful would be: |
| 22:40.44 | TimRiker | ~convert barleycorns |
| 22:41.07 | vontrapp | you're right, that is more useful! :p |
| 22:41.19 | TimRiker | etc |
| 22:41.40 | TimRiker | ~lart vontrapp |
| 22:41.40 | ibot | decapitates vontrapp conan the destroyer style |
| 22:42.01 | sjansen | Looks like I'm about 65 frinks. |
| 22:42.03 | vontrapp | how do you choose which units it is going to display the definitions in? or is that a function of the definition itself? |
| 22:42.39 | TimRiker | vontrapp, in the help? thats just the text from files/infobot.help |
| 22:42.54 | vontrapp | ~convert barleycorns |
| 22:43.06 | vontrapp | no, not the help, what you wrote |
| 22:43.20 | TimRiker | should really be gleaned from the modules themselves as exported text or something. as should the irc commands regexes. right now those are external to the modules. |
| 22:43.59 | goozbach | ~convert barleycorns |
| 22:44.00 | TimRiker | oh, what I wrote was from what "units barleycorns" gives out on the command line. |
| 22:45.08 | goozbach | playing with units for few minutes shows that it'd be very easy to have a chan-specific dat file, a bot-wide dat file, and the system file |
| 22:45.24 | TimRiker | /usr/share/misc/units.dat has this: barleycorn 1|3 UKinch # Given in Realm of Measure as the ... |
| 22:45.35 | vontrapp | JoshH: that's classified information |
| 22:45.52 | JoshH | calls the secret service |
| 22:46.48 | TimRiker | goozbach, sure, that's easy. avoiding user generated continuous loops will be the challenge. |
| 22:47.51 | vontrapp | so why did it put meters also? |
| 22:48.11 | TimRiker | meters is defined as the base unit for length. |
| 22:48.24 | vontrapp | ah, i see, that makes sense now |
| 22:49.12 | vontrapp | so if you start making some definitions, then you tie the lot of them back to something, like say length, then you'd have to decommision the base unit that was created earlier |
| 22:49.29 | vontrapp | and probably a way to redefine what the base unit of a conformity group, too |
| 22:49.48 | goozbach | I was able to override cord with my setup |
| 22:50.14 | vontrapp | such like: |
| 22:50.18 | vontrapp | ~baseunit cord |
| 22:51.02 | vontrapp | or "defunit 1 vontrapp = 1.5 grenades" |
| 22:51.19 | vontrapp | would create a new baseunit (vontrapp or grenades) |
| 22:52.14 | vontrapp | then "defunit 1.5 grenades = 10 DDN" |
| 22:52.30 | vontrapp | at which poing, vontrapp would be decommissioned as a base unit, keeping DDN |
| 22:52.32 | vontrapp | or whatever |
| 22:54.12 | goozbach | your baseunit would be grenades |
| 22:54.30 | goozbach | ohh that makes things nasty |
| 22:54.52 | vontrapp | grenades would be decomissioned, ya |
| 22:54.58 | vontrapp | it's sticky |
| 22:55.20 | vontrapp | like a 8.5 DDN diaper |
| 22:59.08 | goozbach | I don't think there's anyway around building a units.dat parser... |
| 23:10.59 | TimRiker | goozbach, why? |
| 23:11.27 | goozbach | well maybe |
| 23:11.33 | TimRiker | just plunk new definitions in a file and test them. |
| 23:11.45 | goozbach | to do what vontrapp suggested |
| 23:12.10 | goozbach | changing a baseunit to another unit |
| 23:12.12 | goozbach | maybe |
| 23:12.29 | goozbach | I'm busy doing actual work right now sadly |
| 23:12.31 | TimRiker | changing base units would be a bad thing imho. |
| 23:13.34 | goozbach | well you should be able to make new baseunits |
| 23:13.44 | goozbach | like 'awesomes' |
| 23:13.52 | goozbach | or 'frinks' |
| 23:13.55 | goozbach | or DDNs |
| 23:20.21 | TimRiker | sure. there should be some measure of explosive power for example. :) |
| 23:20.51 | goozbach | deathstars? |
| 23:20.59 | TimRiker | but redefining the length of a meter would be a bad thing. |
| 23:21.08 | goozbach | good point |
| 23:21.25 | TimRiker | megatons, grenades, deathstars, something. |
| 23:21.50 | sjansen | Thank goodness TCP is fault tolerant. |
| 23:22.01 | sjansen | Too bad XMPP isn't. |
| 23:22.12 | TimRiker | that's both a curse and a blessing. |
| 23:22.18 | vontrapp | you would only [re]define baseunits in the botwide and channel files |
| 23:22.21 | vontrapp | not the main units file |
| 23:22.26 | goozbach | so we add a check which denys any attempt to create a baseunit which is defined in the system or bot-wide files |
| 23:23.05 | TimRiker | nah. a botop can always lock a factoid if it's an issue. |
| 23:23.37 | vontrapp | and anytime any unit tied to a non-official base unit is compared to another base unit, the former is retired? |
| 23:24.07 | vontrapp | or maybe an error giving the current baseunit, and only that one can be set to units of the other baseunit |
| 23:25.14 | TimRiker | I'm just saying don't get too carried away. avoiding loops and shell exploits are the big things. mis-use is sometimes amusing. the factoids already report who edited it, and the logs would show any funny business, so not a big deal. |
| 23:25.50 | goozbach | good point |
| 23:25.53 | goozbach | just build the interface |
| 23:26.07 | goozbach | build the security/robustness if we need it later |
| 23:27.20 | TimRiker | shell exploits and endless loops are the two I'd want to protect from. |
| 23:27.33 | TimRiker | ie: disallow defining an include line. etc. |
| 23:29.14 | vontrapp | it's not so much a robustness issue as a usefulness issue. you can simply create a definition, of which neither end units knows anything about, a new base unit is created and a conversion possible right off the bat |
| 23:29.42 | vontrapp | but then certainly later you're going to want to merge "conformity pools" |
| 23:29.53 | vontrapp | there needs to be some way to do that, maybe not exactly how i described |
| 23:30.44 | TimRiker | that's all just editing. let the editors do it how they want. :) |
| 23:30.56 | vontrapp | hmmk |
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| 23:47.00 | sjansen | TimRiker: You're an lousy anarchist. |
| 23:47.00 | sjansen | Give me restrict supervision or give me death! |
| 23:47.08 | sjansen | s/restrict/restrictive |
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