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| 00:37.12 | eightyeight | meh |
| 00:37.18 | eightyeight | missed him by || this much |
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| 00:59.49 | themiddleman | is there a list of tech conferences going on in utah at all? |
| 01:05.17 | sontek | I'm doing a presentation on ssh... what do you guys think I should cover? I'm planning on tunneling, wireshark to show why you'd tunnel, key auth, -X from server, anything else? |
| 01:14.31 | eightyeight | elg: i was going to ask you something about the new facebook messaging system, but i forget what it was |
| 01:23.10 | jalbretsen | sontek: forwarding |
| 01:24.42 | sontek | i'm also going to cover scp |
| 01:27.04 | eightyeight | reverse tunnels |
| 01:27.14 | eightyeight | changing your encryption method |
| 01:27.31 | eightyeight | adding/removing compression |
| 01:28.19 | JoshH | sftp/scp also |
| 01:28.33 | eightyeight | ssh vs openssh |
| 01:32.16 | elg | eightyeight: I forget the answer too. ;-) |
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| 01:36.54 | sjansen | Does ssh.com even exist anymore? |
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| 01:42.26 | eightyeight | ~ping ssh.com |
| 01:42.26 | ibot | pong ssh.com |
| 01:43.01 | Reilithion | ~karma eightyeight |
| 01:43.01 | ibot | eightyeight has karma of -1 |
| 01:43.57 | Reilithion | well, we can't have that. |
| 01:44.06 | eightyeight | ~blame sjansen |
| 01:44.06 | ibot | ACTION blames sjansen (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 01:45.18 | Reilithion | eightyeight++ |
| 01:46.03 | eightyeight | ~Reilithion |
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| 01:46.10 | eightyeight | ~Reilithion++ |
| 01:46.19 | Reilithion | Aww. You're all heart. |
| 01:46.52 | Reilithion | So what's up this evening? |
| 01:46.58 | eightyeight | ~karma ra |
| 01:46.58 | ibot | ra has neutral karma |
| 01:47.00 | eightyeight | meh |
| 01:47.03 | eightyeight | ~karma Reilithion |
| 01:47.03 | ibot | reilithion has karma of 2 |
| 01:47.11 | eightyeight | ~karma eightyeight |
| 01:47.11 | ibot | eightyeight has karma of -1 |
| 01:47.14 | eightyeight | :( |
| 01:47.31 | Reilithion | Guess I did it wrong |
| 01:47.36 | Reilithion | ~eightyeight++ |
| 01:47.42 | Reilithion | ~karma eightyeight |
| 01:47.42 | ibot | eightyeight has neutral karma |
| 01:49.04 | themiddleman | hi guys |
| 01:49.37 | themiddleman | where are you all at, I'm in east Orem |
| 01:50.19 | Reilithion | Currently I'm in Harriman. |
| 01:50.49 | eightyeight | currently, i'm in slc |
| 01:51.27 | themiddleman | cool, you all programmers? I am a web programmer - javascript, php etc |
| 01:51.29 | Reilithion | currently im in a grammar and punctuation free zone |
| 01:52.37 | Reilithion | web programmers amuse me |
| 01:52.50 | themiddleman | how? |
| 01:53.00 | themiddleman | or why? |
| 01:53.19 | Reilithion | It's hard to explain. I have a kind of dark sense of humor. |
| 01:53.44 | themiddleman | heh, for the most part I enjoy it |
| 01:54.28 | eightyeight | if you want to be a good web developer, you need to know at least 5 languages proficiently |
| 01:55.22 | themiddleman | like html, js, css, serverside language and sql? |
| 01:56.13 | sontek | and then once you start working with jquery, json, xml, mustache, sass, etc it gets more complicated |
| 01:56.37 | Reilithion | And let's throw python, perl, and ruby in there just for fun. |
| 01:56.44 | Reilithion | Then Java, 'cause you gotta have Java. |
| 01:56.46 | themiddleman | lol |
| 01:56.52 | themiddleman | actionscript |
| 01:56.59 | Reilithion | Blech. Skip it. |
| 01:57.01 | eightyeight | themiddleman: yes. html, css, javascript, sql and server-side |
| 01:57.07 | sontek | just do python, you can run it on .net or jvm so it covers eveyrthing! ;p |
| 01:57.27 | eightyeight | then you'll likely have a web framework you're working with like rails or django |
| 01:57.38 | eightyeight | which can come with it's own syntax for templates, etc |
| 01:57.45 | eightyeight | and so much more |
| 01:57.47 | themiddleman | thats true |
| 01:57.57 | themiddleman | I dont care for em though |
| 01:58.55 | Reilithion | sontek: But the GIL means you're always stuck in a single real thread. :-( |
| 01:58.56 | Reilithion | And thus the need for a system programming language rears its ugly head! |
| 01:59.02 | Reilithion | And suddenly you're learning C because you fiddled around too much with Vala and got twisted around in procedural programming, and the world finally ends when you're forced to pick up Assembly! |
| 01:59.46 | Reilithion | Oh, and there are a bunch of shell-scripters sitting over in the corner looking oblivious to all this. |
| 02:00.55 | Reilithion | Though it'd be pretty funny to see an assembly program used as a CGI. |
| 02:01.09 | themiddleman | lol |
| 02:01.11 | sontek | Reilithion: multiple processes is better than threads anyways! |
| 02:01.19 | eightyeight | i don't know about assembly, but surely you've seen cobol on cogs |
| 02:01.45 | Reilithion | eightyeight: "cobol on cogs"??? Just the name of that makes me want to jump off of a very tall building. |
| 02:02.33 | eightyeight | http://www.coboloncogs.org |
| 02:03.04 | Reilithion | 404 |
| 02:03.32 | eightyeight | not here. pulls up just fine |
| 02:03.45 | eightyeight | http://www.coboloncogs.org/INDEX.HTM |
| 02:03.50 | themiddleman | thats awesome |
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| 02:17.25 | eightyeight | ~onjoin elg |
| 02:17.25 | ibot | onjoin for elg set by sjansen on Mon Nov 15 11:33:27 2010: ? |
| 02:17.30 | eightyeight | ~onjoin -elg |
| 02:17.30 | ibot | eightyeight: ok |
| 02:17.58 | Reilithion | Aw, I thought it was funny. |
| 02:18.34 | elg | waits for ipv6 to kick in |
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| 02:20.13 | Reilithion | Man, it'd be so nice to do away with NAT. |
| 02:20.47 | eightyeight | ... good thing i got rid of the noise from ibot |
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| 02:21.15 | eightyeight | what's +v for in a channel that doesn't regulate voice? |
| 02:21.22 | eightyeight | and why is ChanServ still in here? |
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| 02:23.22 | eightyeight | waits for elg to use ipv4 |
| 02:26.29 | Reilithion | I kinda feel bad for ipv6. It came around offering to solve a real problem, and it still hasn't been widely adopted, because nobody cared. |
| 02:26.43 | eightyeight | people will start caring soon |
| 02:27.05 | Reilithion | Hasn't that been said before? ;-) |
| 02:27.15 | eightyeight | most likely |
| 02:27.25 | Reilithion | I've also heard, "This is the year of the Linux desktop." a few years. |
| 02:27.34 | eightyeight | i haven't heard that for a while |
| 02:28.07 | sontek | I think 2001 was the year of the linux deskto |
| 02:28.11 | sontek | desktop! |
| 02:28.42 | Reilithion | that's kind pathetic |
| 02:28.48 | Reilithion | s/kind/kinda/ |
| 02:28.55 | Reilithion | Thanks, ibot. |
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| 02:34.56 | elg | ~lart sjansen |
| 02:34.56 | ibot | duct-tapes sjansen to the floor and drools on him |
| 02:36.33 | Reilithion | eww |
| 02:36.56 | Reilithion | I didn't even know chatbots /had/ drool. |
| 02:37.44 | Reilithion | Oh, sure. Just leave the mess for me to clean up. That's just fine. Go on. |
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| 02:48.39 | elg | don't everybody talk all at once |
| 02:50.35 | eightyeight | the internet sucks here |
| 02:51.04 | eightyeight | elg: so, can i export my messages out of facebook? chat, email, etc? |
| 02:51.41 | elg | dunno. probably |
| 02:51.49 | elg | using the download thingy |
| 02:52.14 | eightyeight | download thingy? |
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| 02:52.56 | eightyeight | oh, i remember what i was going to ask you now |
| 02:53.05 | eightyeight | elg: will you speed up my invitation process? |
| 02:53.58 | elg | atoponce? |
| 02:54.16 | elg | you keep changing nicks and I want to be sure i'm not confused. only a limited number of invites |
| 02:54.35 | eightyeight | heh |
| 02:54.38 | eightyeight | yes. atoponce |
| 02:54.48 | eightyeight | it's never changed on fb |
| 02:57.00 | elg | Aaron Toponce was added to the invite list. |
| 02:57.00 | elg | Your invitation will be sent as soon as more are available. |
| 02:57.08 | eightyeight | sweet |
| 02:57.10 | eightyeight | danke |
| 02:57.35 | elg | aka as soon as the lazy bums on the memcache team help scale it |
| 02:57.48 | elg | i.e. me. but just kidding, we're not holding the rollout back |
| 02:58.30 | eightyeight | heh |
| 02:58.39 | elg | i'm saving an invite for sjansen |
| 02:58.57 | eightyeight | he was holding out for an @facebook.com email address |
| 02:59.07 | eightyeight | he will be excited |
| 03:00.40 | sontek | what is facebook creating that needs invite? |
| 03:00.50 | sontek | I'm behind the times in the cool kid stuff |
| 03:02.43 | eightyeight | facebook is now a gmail competitor |
| 03:03.19 | eightyeight | http://blog.facebook.com/blog.php?post=452288242130 |
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| 15:53.20 | elg | Seen in a facebook status: 'Next time I go to the airport I'm seriously considering wearing a man thong and a rip away track suit. Then after refusing both the backscatter and a pat down, tearing my clothes off, saying, "Do you still need to pat me down?"' |
| 15:53.24 | elg | mission: get that in harleypig's status |
| 15:54.33 | jsmith | elg: Nice! |
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| 16:48.27 | sjansen | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/931216/developers_in_pain/ |
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| 20:29.35 | sjansen | http://blog.izs.me/post/1591805056/tsa-success-story |
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| 20:38.01 | TehLaser | Just waiting for a scotsman in a kilt to opt out. |
| 20:39.00 | goozbach | TehLaser: that's an adjustment to opt-out day that's been proposed |
| 20:39.11 | goozbach | go true scotsman on opt-out day |
| 20:42.09 | TehLaser | Interesting that they failed insecure though. |
| 20:42.33 | TehLaser | I wonder if it's policy to stop the pat downs if everyone starts opting out of the scanners. |
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| 20:49.44 | goozbach | is now confused as to who is who |
| 20:50.13 | sjansem | I might as well contribute |
| 20:59.43 | Jayce^ | buy his ticket, and harleypig will go in a banana sling and chaps |
| 21:00.44 | sjansem | I'd pay money to have someone else see that |
| 21:03.33 | Jayce^ | especially if that person would be trying to feel up your family :) |
| 21:06.56 | TehLaser | TSA has to have something planned for this "opt-out day" stuff. |
| 21:07.35 | goozback | has to assume that the TSA is nearing the end of its rein of terror |
| 21:07.49 | goozback | I mean, how much more will people be willing to put up with? |
| 21:07.51 | TehLaser | Another fun trick might be to attempt to fly crossdressed. |
| 21:08.17 | sjansem | TehLaser: that sounds like an easy way to get felt up by a member of the oppisite sex! |
| 21:08.19 | sjansem | score! |
| 21:17.16 | Migs | I'd rather wear a kilt and go commando |
| 21:17.25 | Migs | and just lather up my nether regions with vaseline or something |
| 21:17.41 | Migs | They'll never do it to anyone again. |
| 21:18.22 | JoshH | is the utah asterisk user group still alive at all? |
| 21:18.56 | unum | the channel has some life |
| 21:19.15 | JoshH | utaug.org's newest posts are 2007 afaict |
| 21:19.27 | JoshH | wondering if there's a mailing list that gets traffic |
| 21:37.07 | Heartsbane | Jayce^: http://goo.gl/V8hMC |
| 21:49.41 | JessieAMorris | TehLaser: What? What can they do? Arrest us all? That would go over *REAL* well. |
| 22:01.42 | tensai | JoshH: afaik the group doesn't meet any more and the website is dormant |
| 22:02.17 | tensai | JoshH: but #utaug breathes now and again |
| 22:03.24 | tensai | we had a bof at utosc last year. that was kind of like a meeting. |
| 22:04.44 | tensai | goozback: you're exceptionally skilled at pushing vontrapp's buttons. did you take a course or is it just a gift? |
| 22:09.15 | goozback | *shrug* |
| 22:09.39 | sjansem | he's a natural |
| 22:09.44 | sjansem | learnt from the best |
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| 22:10.47 | TehLaser | JessieAMorris: well, give everyone "opting out" a take-a-number tag, and tell them the wait time is likely to be long. |
| 22:10.57 | TehLaser | And you'll probably miss your flight. |
| 22:12.11 | TehLaser | Seems pretty clear the TSA strategy with these scanners is to make the alternative procedures as onerous as practical. |
| 22:13.22 | goozback | "If you don't let us touch you're junk, you don't get to eat grandma's turkey." might be an effective argument for one day. |
| 22:13.38 | goozback | But it's hardly a winning long term slogan. |
| 22:14.22 | elg | ~goozback++ |
| 22:18.29 | TehLaser | "Those planning to opt-out should arrive 5 hours early to allow time for alternative screening procedures" might work after the protest day though. |
| 22:20.41 | sjansem | I personally think that it is gonna take thousands of 'meh, it's just a scanner' folks inconvienienced and missing flights due to opt-out day to wake up the people to the facts of what is happening |
| 22:21.13 | sjansem | if I didn't have other responsibilites |
| 22:21.33 | JoshH | tensai, thanks. i guess there's not an active mailing list either? |
| 22:21.48 | sjansem | and it wasn't so expensive I'd fly back and forth to a nearby airport just so I could gum up the works some more |
| 22:22.48 | tensai | JoshH: if there is I'm not on it |
| 22:25.30 | tensai | I'm surprised the airlines don't push back. maybe they're too busy bankrupting themselves. |
| 22:27.00 | sjansem | tensai: I heard a great idea on the radio this morning |
| 22:27.09 | sjansem | security should be the airlines' responsibility |
| 22:27.31 | sjansem | they are the only player who actually has any "skin in the game" with regards to security |
| 22:29.17 | sjansem | ~karma goozback |
| 22:29.17 | ibot | goozback has karma of 1 |
| 22:29.31 | sjansem | ~goozback++ |
| 22:29.59 | sjansem | ~karma goozback |
| 22:29.59 | ibot | goozback has karma of 2 |
| 22:30.07 | sjansem | eeeeentresting... |
| 22:30.41 | tensai | sjansem: they have a lot of incentive, I'll give you that. it might work, but I wonder about the unintended consequences. |
| 22:31.05 | sjansem | tensai: like what? |
| 22:31.29 | tensai | well there's the problem. how do we know what is unexpected? |
| 22:31.59 | sjansem | all it would take would be one single "incident" where an entire plane of people were to die. that airline (now being responsible for the security) wouldn't exist anymore |
| 22:32.06 | sjansem | that's a cost they can't afford |
| 22:32.46 | sjansem | they would be sued into oblivion by the families of the victims |
| 22:32.54 | sjansem | that's their incentive |
| 22:38.16 | stderr | sjansem: prior to ATSA, security was the airlines' responsibility. |
| 22:38.59 | sjansem | stderr: I know! and wasn't it great!? |
| 22:39.37 | sjansem | you could say goodbye to family at the gate, security lines were short if they existed at all, airports were shopping centers and lots of fun! |
| 22:40.27 | sjansem | to quote the oft quoted Bruce Schnieder(sp?) there are two things which made planes secure since 9/11 |
| 22:40.45 | sjansem | 1) reenforced cockpit doors |
| 22:40.48 | stderr | Schneier |
| 22:41.00 | sjansem | 2) passengers know that terrorists now play for keep |
| 22:41.17 | stderr | have you read any of the recent articles about Israelification? |
| 22:41.18 | sjansem | fightiting the last war isn't ever going to work |
| 22:41.53 | sjansem | yup, and I whole heartily agree. Behavorial profiling is the best security. |
| 22:42.07 | stderr | I'd be surprised if the next big terrorist attack was aviation related, anyway. |
| 22:42.47 | tensai | stderr: I thought that might be the case, but wasn't entirely sure who ran the security before |
| 22:42.57 | shalkie | sjansem: So saying that it is now a post 9/11 world over and over again isn't one of the items making the world safer? I guess that is 35 minutes of chanting I can save myself in the morning. |
| 22:43.13 | tensai | stderr: the obvious next target is the mass of people waiting in line at the security screening |
| 22:43.53 | sjansem | shalkie: you can't opt-out of the 30min hate! |
| 22:44.39 | tensai | ~echelon fodder |
| 22:44.39 | ibot | well, echelon fodder is Bush, Uranium, Dirty Bomb, Jihad, Allah Akbar, TNT, Rent a van, assassination , NSA, wiretaps, sleeper cell, suicide bomb, vest, Oklahoma City, Waco, revenge, anthrax, virgins, fuse, great celebration, July 4th, detcord, martyr, timer, backpack, subway. Ruby Ridge, or kill all infidels |
| 22:45.56 | sjansem | green fuse is fun |
| 22:49.40 | stderr | dang winter colds |
| 22:49.43 | stderr | sneezes |
| 22:50.30 | sjansem | stderr: try vitamin C shooters |
| 22:50.30 | sjansem | buy some key limes |
| 22:50.43 | sjansem | and squeeze the juice of 5-6 of them in a half-cup of pepsi |
| 22:50.47 | sjansem | take twice daily |
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