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| 03:24.16 | Gate | elg: network problems? |
| 03:24.24 | Gate | elg: possibly IPv6 related? |
| 03:24.41 | Gate | is RTFM to supress onjoins in finch... |
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| 03:48.38 | bonez2046 | I am curious about WOW.. er.. my son wants me to sign him up for $10 / month to play WOW.. is this worth it? |
| 03:49.04 | Gate | bonez2046: if you want him to never get laid. |
| 03:49.42 | Gate | bonez2046: price per hour its a fantastic bargain, he will sink hours and hours and hours into it |
| 03:49.43 | bonez2046 | hehehe.. well, he doesn't like girls... for now.. he's only 12.. |
| 03:50.21 | bonez2046 | that's the issue, the hours.. we want to assure he does homework.. and hope he doesn't react to this like he would to heroin, if his grade slip.. |
| 03:50.23 | Gate | If its his kind of game, I just hate the whole genre with a passion |
| 03:50.26 | bonez2046 | grade=grades |
| 03:50.34 | Gate | I get you |
| 03:50.36 | bonez2046 | he's really into WOW.. |
| 03:50.48 | bonez2046 | I am not.. I am not really a gamer with any of these |
| 03:51.24 | Gate | bonez2046: Its like any other thing, over done it becomes a problem. a small subset of people who play WOW lose their jobs/fail school because they won't stop playing it |
| 03:51.42 | bonez2046 | ok... that's fair.. |
| 03:51.46 | Gate | if you keep an eye on it, shouldn't be a problem |
| 03:52.12 | bonez2046 | Wow, is a windows platform for now, right? |
| 03:52.23 | Gate | sorry if I am a little touchy about it, I have a friend who has quite a bit of potential, but has been failing out of college for 4 years because he won't stop playing wow. |
| 03:52.36 | Gate | bonez2046: I have seen ports, don't know how good they are |
| 03:52.42 | bonez2046 | that's nuts, but very believable.. |
| 03:52.45 | Gate | pretty sure it is WINE supported |
| 03:53.11 | Gate | meh, I have my own addictions (different games, caffiene) but I graduated.... |
| 03:53.12 | Gate | sigh |
| 03:54.58 | Gate | When I was 12, I was learning the fine art of procrastination. I had a fairly lax school schedule which was self-paced, as long as I met the monthly deadlines no one really asked questions. |
| 03:55.15 | Gate | I would play computer games for 25 days, then crunch on homework. |
| 03:55.24 | Gate | Amazingly, that skill helped in college :D |
| 03:56.38 | Gate | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQL225r87zk |
| 04:01.37 | bonez2046 | excellent! |
| 04:02.22 | bonez2046 | I guess the only risk is if he finds a girl who is also into WoW |
| 04:02.29 | bonez2046 | then that could be troublesome |
| 04:14.10 | Gate | bonez2046: then he would be the 1 in 1 million |
| 04:14.35 | Gate | bonez2046: and your biggest problem would be making sure that their Orcs use protection ;) |
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| 04:38.47 | elg | Gate: I'm not sure why I would be parting/joining like that |
| 04:38.54 | elg | whenever I notice it in my logs, it's not happening |
| 04:39.40 | elg | I do have an ipv6 tunnel here as of recently, maybe something about freenode and ipv6 |
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| 04:42.37 | Gate | elg: I do observe that you appear to join and stay when you have an IPv4 address, or at least a qwest backrout through one. |
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| 04:43.50 | elg | i wonder if it's a firewall somewhere on the ipv6 line timing out |
| 04:43.57 | elg | and if I can force ipv4 |
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| 05:06.09 | elg | huh. connecting to port 7000 with ssl goes ipv6, connecting to port 6667 without ssl doesn't |
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| 05:12.17 | ^Phantom^ | Sup, elg. |
| 05:12.18 | elg | nay. fluke |
| 05:12.19 | ^Phantom^ | Nice IP |
| 05:12.34 | elg | something about my nice ip keeps getting me kicked off of the servers |
| 05:12.39 | ^Phantom^ | Is it ipv6? |
| 05:12.54 | ^Phantom^ | .. |
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| 05:13.11 | elg | not sure whether it's freenode's fault, my connection's fault, or colloquy's fault. yes, ipv6 |
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| 05:14.40 | ^Phantom^ | wb |
| 05:14.44 | ^Phantom^ | Is that ipv6? |
| 05:14.51 | elg_ | yeah |
| 05:14.57 | ^Phantom^ | Ah. |
| 05:15.02 | ^Phantom^ | Maybe the server can't handle it, lol |
| 05:15.03 | elg | not sure whether it's freenode's fault, my connection's fault, or colloquy's fault. yes, ipv6 |
| 05:15.10 | ^Phantom^ | Darn ipv4 servers |
| 05:15.25 | ^Phantom^ | what's ipv6 like? |
| 05:15.32 | ^Phantom^ | is it like when you first discovered the internet? |
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| 05:15.46 | ^Phantom^ | wb |
| 05:16.15 | ^Phantom^ | Hey elg, no guarantee this will help: |
| 05:16.17 | ^Phantom^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q4ZwRIA1IA |
| 05:16.23 | ^Phantom^ | Pointless videos, FTW |
| 05:16.24 | ^Phantom^ | D: |
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| 05:22.32 | tuple | all signs leading to colloquy |
| 07:29.00 | *** topic/#utah by TimRiker -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | minecraft server up at plug.org | Now with 50% more truthiness. | keep is civil, no swearing |
| 07:29.04 | *** topic/#utah by TimRiker -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | minecraft server up at plug.org | Now with 50% more truthiness. | keep it civil, no swearing |
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| 13:10.51 | eightyeight | colloquy. heh. silly gui users |
| 13:24.17 | Sargun_Screen | I am bored as hell |
| 13:24.40 | Sargun_Screen | do ou know anyone who uses linux on theri desktop and doesn't use X? |
| 13:25.56 | eightyeight | yup |
| 13:31.40 | Sargun_Screen | eightyeight: you? |
| 13:32.23 | Sargun_Screen | how do you web browse? |
| 13:32.26 | Sargun_Screen | porn? |
| 13:32.41 | Sargun_Screen | or is that framebuffer? |
| 13:32.56 | Sargun_Screen | youtube? iirc w3m doesn't do flash |
| 13:35.49 | eightyeight | Sargun_Screen: no, not me |
| 13:36.18 | eightyeight | Sargun_Screen: an aquaintanc whom i haven't personally met yet, but deal with on irc, as i big anti-gui desktop user |
| 13:36.40 | eightyeight | Sargun_Screen: some people don't need images and videos when they get online |
| 13:37.06 | eightyeight | s/aquaintanc/aquaintance/ |
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| 14:13.01 | Sargun_Screen | Does anyone know a way to get all your likes for pandora? |
| 14:31.04 | sontek | Sargun_Screen: I use X but I don't have flash installed, so I could get away with just a framebuffer if I really wanted to |
| 14:31.20 | sontek | I use the readability bookmarklet on so many sites to get rid of all the jnk |
| 14:31.22 | sontek | junk* |
| 14:32.10 | sontek | Speaking of X... I'm loving xmonad. |
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| 15:44.17 | amjith_1 | help |
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| 15:50.05 | Sargun_Screen | Should I go back home? |
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| 15:57.58 | sontek | Sargun_Screen: yeah, just vpn in |
| 15:58.07 | Sargun_Screen | sontek: -_- |
| 15:58.18 | Sargun_Screen | sontek: Already have an SSH tunnel. |
| 15:58.24 | Sargun_Screen | sontek: but I mean, I'm in Scotland |
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| 15:58.31 | Sargun_Screen | Should I go backto California// |
| 15:58.41 | sontek | Why would you do that? |
| 15:58.42 | goozbach | Sargun_Screen: things not working out there? |
| 15:58.48 | sontek | If you don't like Scotland got to Ireland |
| 15:58.55 | sontek | and if you don't like that go to England |
| 15:58.58 | sontek | etc. |
| 15:59.05 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: meh, I'm not a huge fan of the school here. |
| 15:59.12 | Sargun_Screen | nor the UK in general. |
| 15:59.29 | Sargun_Screen | and I've been unable to really make friends here. :-/ |
| 15:59.32 | sontek | Sargun_Screen: then repeat with france, spain, and italy ;) |
| 15:59.38 | Sargun_Screen | and my depression is getting really quite bad. |
| 15:59.42 | sontek | skip denmark and sweden' |
| 16:00.18 | Sargun_Screen | sontek: -_- |
| 16:00.52 | sontek | Are you just doing study abroad? |
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| 16:02.35 | Sargun_Screen | sontek: no |
| 16:03.05 | bonez2046 | how can I troubleshoot my domain.. fyrenice.com.... I don't think it's resolving correctly to my static IP.. |
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| 16:03.58 | goozbach | bonez2046: dig? |
| 16:04.03 | bonez2046 | dig, eh? |
| 16:04.28 | bonez2046 | dig ip.in.ques.tion ? something like that |
| 16:04.40 | unum | ya |
| 16:04.41 | goozbach | dig <SOMEHOST> |
| 16:04.45 | unum | I just use host |
| 16:04.49 | unum | but dig has more info |
| 16:04.53 | goozbach | ping, or host work well too |
| 16:05.18 | unum | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.18 | bonez2046 | but how can I test it being local? |
| 16:05.27 | bonez2046 | right, that's my ip |
| 16:05.27 | Sargun_Screen | fyrenice.com has address 173.14.239.229 |
| 16:05.35 | bonez2046 | ok.. so maybe it's resolving ok now |
| 16:05.45 | goozbach | bonez2046: what do you mean being local |
| 16:05.48 | Sargun_Screen | bonez2046: dig $IP |
| 16:05.51 | unum | different isp will update that at different times |
| 16:05.54 | Sargun_Screen | bonez2046: are you the chiropractor? |
| 16:06.13 | bonez2046 | Sargun_Screen: that's me, yes |
| 16:06.42 | Sargun_Screen | bonez2046: you know you're really geeky for a doctor, it's surprising. |
| 16:06.51 | Sargun_Screen | Most doctors I know couldn't turn on their computer |
| 16:06.58 | Sargun_Screen | if they weren't trained by IT staff |
| 16:07.00 | bonez2046 | why, Thank you, Sargun_Screen .. I take that as a compliment! |
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| 16:16.35 | bonez2046 | Sargun_Screen: not sure how nerdy/geeky I am.. I can't even get my ubuntu shared printer working on my home LAN.. |
| 16:17.33 | Sargun_Screen | Don't worry, neither can I |
| 16:17.54 | JoshH | so glad i bought a network printer a long time ago |
| 16:18.10 | JoshH | though i've never had a problem with getting one shared |
| 16:18.27 | JoshH | i just don't like the idea of printers not being a separate network device |
| 16:18.42 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: I bought one recently and it keeps turning off |
| 16:18.57 | Sargun_Screen | EU has power regulations which say that this stuff has to automatically turn off after a few minutes |
| 16:19.19 | JoshH | ... |
| 16:19.31 | Sargun_Screen | (Wireless printer) |
| 16:19.38 | Sargun_Screen | which makes it absolutely pointless |
| 16:19.58 | JoshH | mine can do wireless too, but i have it plugged in |
| 16:20.10 | JoshH | only downside to it is it doesn't have a scanner |
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| 17:10.28 | JoshH | why has utosc's dns been down this long? that's not something that normally stays broken, IME |
| 17:13.55 | tensai | I considered offering to host it, but I don't have the best server resources at the moment |
| 17:14.11 | tensai | of course, it might be better than the status quo |
| 17:15.43 | JoshH | actually one of the nameservers does work, but the site doesn't work on the IP it returns |
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| 17:55.44 | tensai | the dns server that doesn't respond appears to be the same server hosting the web site |
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| 18:20.30 | tristanbob__ | what is the best place to host a new open source project? |
| 18:21.44 | goozbach | tristanbob__: github |
| 18:21.49 | goozbach | or google code |
| 18:21.51 | goozbach | or launchpad |
| 18:21.54 | tristanbob__ | sourceforge |
| 18:21.58 | Migs | or sourcefor....er nm |
| 18:22.04 | goozbach | sourceforge |
| 18:22.14 | goozbach | which RCS are you using? |
| 18:22.16 | Migs | I think he wanted ONE answer |
| 18:22.19 | tristanbob__ | ok, any preferences? I have used sourceforge before, and they have upgraded it |
| 18:22.35 | tensai | and if it's not git, please provide written justification |
| 18:22.49 | goozbach | tensai: will you accept 'hg'? |
| 18:22.54 | tristanbob__ | goozbach, good question. it is a coldfusion application, I think. |
| 18:23.13 | tristanbob__ | tensai, in triplicate? |
| 18:23.14 | goozbach | but is it in source control? |
| 18:23.18 | tensai | goozbach: with a bribe of cookies, yes |
| 18:24.05 | tensai | tristanbob__: but of course |
| 18:27.59 | Sargun_Screen | tristanbob__: what are you hosting? |
| 18:28.18 | Sargun_Screen | tristanbob__: Dear god? Cold fusion? |
| 18:28.22 | Sargun_Screen | github. or google code |
| 18:28.46 | Sargun_Screen | has used github a bit, and found it to be reasonable. |
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| 18:58.18 | sjansen | waves to tensai |
| 18:58.41 | tensai | waves back |
| 18:59.49 | sjansen | The scripting languages thread sure is generating alot of traffic on the Plug list. |
| 19:00.05 | sjansen | Surprisingly, alot of good advice. |
| 19:00.27 | Sargun_Screen | a languages argument is always bound to create traffic |
| 19:00.41 | sjansen | Ah, but there hasn't been alot of arguing yet. |
| 19:01.38 | sjansen | is going to alot of effort to tweak tensai, and he probably hasn't even noticed |
| 19:02.17 | tensai | perl -e 'unlink sjansen' |
| 19:03.49 | jsmith | Has the PLUG list become civilized? |
| 19:03.50 | sjansen | Thanks alot tensai! Now I'm just drifting all unnamed but still allocated. |
| 19:04.27 | tensai | dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/troll/sjansen |
| 19:05.08 | Sargun_Screen | unsubcribed to his local LUG because it was mostly idiots and trolls. |
| 19:06.38 | sjansen | tensai: Sorry, but that's not gonna do you alot of good. Should've thought about the consequences before you unlink'd me. |
| 19:07.49 | tensai | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html |
| 19:13.50 | mheath | Can anyone confirm for me that XMission provides DSL internet in the Bountiful area, and is able to do so even without a home telephone connection? |
| 19:14.45 | JoshH | mheath: yes, that's true |
| 19:15.16 | mheath | OK, thanks. There website is rather vague on details, unfortunately. |
| 19:15.37 | mheath | I'm fed up with QWest, and I think I will switch tactics when I move in a month |
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| 19:20.15 | Migs | what about the Ogden/Roy area? |
| 19:20.28 | Migs | I wouldn't mind switching from Qwest, and buying an Ooma box when I do |
| 19:23.57 | JoshH | it's available anywhere qwest offers dsl, xmission uses qwest copper loops |
| 19:24.09 | Migs | okay, I'm just talking to a sales rep at Xmission, and he says you still have to pay for Qwest service anyway |
| 19:24.57 | Migs | I figured you would |
| 19:25.23 | mheath | What do you mean, you still have to pay for Qwest service? |
| 19:25.33 | JoshH | ya, you pay them for the loop |
| 19:25.35 | mheath | Do you just mean in the roundabout sense that they are still the copper provider for Xmission? |
| 19:25.41 | JoshH | yes mheath |
| 19:26.16 | JoshH | only way to avoid paying qwest is to get dsl from a facilities based provider that colocates in the CO's, like integra |
| 19:26.36 | Migs | do you pay the same amount to Qwest? |
| 19:26.40 | Migs | or is it cheaper? |
| 19:27.00 | JoshH | i think it's actually more, depending on the promos they ahve and stuff |
| 19:27.05 | mheath | It seems like Xmission is a bit more expensive, from what I've seen |
| 19:27.17 | mheath | Most notably because Xmission seems to have fewer / smaller promos than Qwest |
| 19:27.31 | JoshH | i think you pay qwest 43 a month for a 7 meg loop without phone service |
| 19:27.39 | JoshH | then xmission has their price on top of that |
| 19:27.44 | Migs | I don't understand...why would I even use Xmission then? |
| 19:27.47 | mheath | But I hate the gimmicky "your first 6 months are just $15/month" sales anyway |
| 19:28.02 | mheath | Qwest has managed to mess up my billing on 3 different occasions now |
| 19:28.05 | JoshH | Migs: because you don't like qwest's routing, dynamic ip's, server port blocking, etc |
| 19:28.11 | Migs | oic |
| 19:28.24 | Migs | yeah, I gotcha |
| 19:28.28 | mheath | My account has been suspeneded for non-payment twice, when I was supposed to have AutoPay setup, and numerous customer support agents had confirmed ti was there and active |
| 19:29.31 | JoshH | people use xmission because you can get subnets with reverse dns delegation and other geek friendly stuff like that, and your internet routing via their transit providers instead of qwest's own network |
| 19:29.35 | JoshH | not to save a few bucks |
| 19:30.29 | mheath | Well, I'm doing it because of the (hopefuly) improvement in Customer Service. I've heard good things about XMission |
| 19:30.33 | JoshH | though these days the quality difference between isp's is less than it used to be, everyone is basicaly solid now |
| 19:31.01 | JoshH | i work at xmission, fyi |
| 19:31.31 | JoshH | i doubt you would need to talk to customer support too often, since you're in this channel |
| 19:31.40 | JoshH | but when you do, you should be more impressed than you would be talking to comcast |
| 19:31.47 | Migs | I want the REAL dirt on Xmission |
| 19:32.01 | Migs | the stuff you would say if pashdown weren't here |
| 19:32.12 | mheath | JoshH, Well, I meant more billing, like I mentioned. Qwest has just been a gimmicky hassle. |
| 19:32.13 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: as? |
| 19:32.19 | Sargun_Screen | mheath: sup |
| 19:32.19 | Migs | ;) |
| 19:32.26 | JoshH | Sargun_Screen: 6315 |
| 19:32.35 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: hahah, cute. |
| 19:32.43 | mheath | They've messed up my billing countless times, they've suspended my account for no reason....Issues typically take 3+ calls into Customer Service to resolve. |
| 19:32.59 | Migs | maybe you're just a bad customer |
| 19:33.25 | JoshH | Migs: nothing too exciting really |
| 19:33.30 | mheath | JoshH, What is XMission's pricing on DS3s and E1s like? Fairly competitive? |
| 19:34.41 | JoshH | not bad, but those loops are also resold, since xmission isn't colocated in central offices yet |
| 19:34.50 | JoshH | although for those you would only get an XM bill |
| 19:35.14 | mheath | ah, still resold. That doesn't do much good |
| 19:35.34 | mheath | most of our circuits are with longhaul carriers like Verizon and SPrint, anyway, and they're already essentially reselling QWest |
| 19:35.41 | JoshH | well, everyone buys it from qwest eventually, if it's copper |
| 19:35.46 | mheath | QWest is the LEC for almost all of our service in our Salt Lake City location, I think |
| 19:36.33 | JoshH | but a clec that's colocated only needs to buy it between the CO and the end site, and gets wholesale pricing |
| 19:37.07 | JoshH | xmision has clec status, but we haven't begun to get our own facilities yet. its in the works. |
| 19:37.43 | mheath | cool, I'll have to keep an eye on that. |
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| 19:39.20 | JoshH | mheath: what kind of connectivity does your office have? |
| 19:40.56 | mheath | JoshH, Numerous DS3s, E1s, MPLS, and other connections. For direct connectivity to about 15 other sites, both domestic and international. |
| 19:43.03 | mheath | I am (obviously) not directly involved in any kind of circuit purchasing - this is a big company, and I'm junior IT. I was just curious what XMission offered, because we don't use them for anything, and I was going to ask the guy who is in charge of our circuit contracts why |
| 19:44.05 | JoshH | we do things like qwest and integra metro ethernet, as well as T1's and so forth, and utopia where it's available (businesses love that) |
| 19:44.37 | JoshH | but for an mpls network connecting all your sites, it probably makes more sense to use a large provider, at least for now |
| 19:46.21 | mheath | yep :) |
| 19:47.04 | Sargun_Screen | mheath: why? |
| 19:47.13 | Sargun_Screen | mheath: for your call center job? |
| 19:47.56 | Sargun_Screen | mpls is such a PITA |
| 19:48.26 | mheath | shrugs |
| 19:48.41 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: what is xmission's switchin' platform |
| 19:50.15 | mheath | I'm not a networking engineer. But when you have locations in UT, ID, PA, TX, CA, IL, FL, GA, SC, WA, All canadians provinces, Mexico, India, Germany, Switzerland, Australia, Philippines, South Korea, and you need high availability connection between all of theses sites, an MPLS can help simpify it a bit |
| 19:51.03 | mheath | Oh, plus OH and Jamaica |
| 19:51.33 | goozbach | Xmission is in Jamacia? |
| 19:51.46 | mheath | goozbach, no :P |
| 19:52.17 | goozbach | Xmission is in GA?! |
| 19:52.32 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:52.36 | mheath | heh |
| 19:52.44 | goozbach | if so can I pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese! join up |
| 19:52.45 | goozbach | ? |
| 19:52.56 | goozbach | at&t is killing me |
| 19:52.59 | mheath | goozbach, no, but you do have an opportunity to get a job with my fine employer at all of those locations :P |
| 19:54.08 | goozbach | mheath: who is said employer? |
| 19:54.36 | mheath | Teleperformance USA |
| 19:55.08 | Sargun_Screen | mheath: uhm, MPLS isn't purely for HA, it's more for TE. |
| 19:55.51 | Sargun_Screen | otherwise just an ospf cloud mesh would work |
| 19:56.13 | mheath | Sargun_Screen, Dude, as I said, I'm not a networking engineer. |
| 19:56.23 | Sargun_Screen | mheath: then don't comment on it if you don't understand it. |
| 19:56.36 | Sargun_Screen | ;-P |
| 19:56.38 | Sargun_Screen | I'm only kiddin' |
| 19:56.54 | goozbach | I'll pass, I've lived my life working for a telemarketer. I don't want to do it again |
| 19:56.59 | mheath | But, when our company pays in excess of 2 Million dollars monthly for circuit contracts alone, I tend to trust the decisions of the poeple making those decisions |
| 19:57.23 | mheath | goozbach, Yeah. I am very happy I don't work in the actual call centers anymore. I work in corporate IT |
| 19:57.39 | goozbach | mheath: I worked in IT at the telemarketer too |
| 19:57.47 | mheath | goozbach, To be fair, though, we're not really telemarkters. Over 90% of our business is inbound customer service |
| 19:57.56 | goozbach | I did some very cool (technologically speaking) things |
| 19:58.05 | goozbach | which weren't very cool (morally speaking) |
| 19:58.14 | goozbach | because of what management wanted done |
| 19:58.40 | mheath | See, my company is good. Though, as I said, it helps that most of our business is inbound customer service |
| 19:58.52 | goozbach | inbound is better |
| 19:58.56 | mheath | Our outbound campaigns are ran well, and with full legal compliance |
| 19:59.06 | goozbach | I was in charge of running the autodialers *shudder* |
| 19:59.07 | mheath | and we only have a couple |
| 19:59.18 | goozbach | we were 100% cold-call outbound |
| 19:59.28 | unum | today andrew taunbaum called our main client a liar |
| 19:59.36 | mheath | goozbach, yeah, guys in India do that for us now :P |
| 19:59.45 | unum | and he's right |
| 19:59.46 | mheath | Run the autodialers, that is |
| 19:59.49 | goozbach | and I refuse to speak on how we generated leads |
| 20:00.09 | mheath | goozbach, All of our leads simply come from the client we are running the campaign for |
| 20:01.30 | goozbach | like I said. I'm not proud of how the company was ran. |
| 20:05.04 | mheath | goozbach, yeah, I feel for you. My current manager has worked for our employer forever, from back during their humble beginnings. He used to work on the outbound stuff then, too, and tells some not-too-pleasant stories |
| 20:05.19 | mheath | He is very happy we switched, drastically, to inbound customer relations |
| 20:05.29 | goozbach | there was some cool tech |
| 20:05.37 | goozbach | I just wish it would have been used for good |
| 20:05.49 | goozbach | This was back before the DNC list even |
| 20:05.57 | goozbach | I left just before that went into effect |
| 20:15.32 | amjith_1 | unum: who is your main client? |
| 20:29.12 | unum | amjith_1: bill mcinturf |
| 20:29.25 | unum | well he's one of the partners there |
| 20:30.16 | JoshH | Sargun_Screen: 6509-E, for core |
| 20:34.04 | amjith_1 | unum: Are we thinking the same Andrew Tannenbaum? The Minix OS guy? |
| 20:35.26 | unum | amjith_1: ya, he started running a website dedicated to polling of us elections several years ago |
| 20:36.43 | amjith_1 | unum: yeah I've heard about that. I haven't seen it myself. |
| 20:38.58 | unum | electoral-vote.com |
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| 21:33.41 | stderr | electoral-vote.com, meh. Once again, Tannenbaum gets beaten out by a brash young up-and-comer (Nate Silver) |
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| 22:13.59 | Sargun_Screen | Do you really want Tannenbaum doing anything?> |
| 22:14.09 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: why not EX8208? |
| 22:15.05 | JoshH | Sargun_Screen: j-nsp turns me off of them, though i may be getting some 4200's fairly soon |
| 22:16.20 | Sargun_Screen | What about for routing |
| 22:16.21 | JoshH | very buggy and some form factor issues |
| 22:17.29 | Sargun_Screen | uhm, routing on Juniper is very buggy |
| 22:17.34 | JoshH | we do routing with them as well, and also have some juniper m7i's. access switches are mostly cisco 2960G's |
| 22:17.49 | Sargun_Screen | I haven't had any routing issues with them. |
| 22:17.56 | Sargun_Screen | I've had some major bugs with them |
| 22:18.11 | sjansen | unum: What is "white case sensitivity"? |
| 22:18.12 | Sargun_Screen | where they've just randomly stopped passing a host's traffic, to super high latency |
| 22:18.13 | JoshH | read ras's posts on j-nsp |
| 22:18.28 | JoshH | really depends on what code you have i guess |
| 22:18.45 | tensai | is there no way to ignore wall messages from root? |
| 22:19.30 | mheath | tensai, what, you DON'T want to know when the system is going down for a reboot? |
| 22:19.54 | tensai | if only that were the reason |
| 22:20.30 | tensai | brain dead software vendor wrote crappy software that leaves zombie processes all over and then announces how many zombies there are to everybody logged in |
| 22:20.42 | tensai | said crappy software runs as root |
| 22:21.01 | JoshH | heh, what software? |
| 22:21.23 | mheath | thats awesome |
| 22:21.31 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: |
| 22:21.33 | Sargun_Screen | Wall sends a message to everybody logged in with their mesg(1) permission set to yes. The message can be given as an argument to wall, or it can be sent to wall's standard input. When using the standard input from a terminal, the message should be terminated with the EOF key (usually Control-D). |
| 22:21.46 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: code and hardware |
| 22:22.01 | unum | sjansen: in python you don't start a block of code with { you start it by starting a new line and indenting |
| 22:22.10 | tensai | JoshH: fonality |
| 22:22.20 | mheath | A couple of weeks, a misconfigured spam filter at our work started announcing to everyone, via e-mail, that its quarantine space was full |
| 22:22.28 | tensai | Sargun_Screen: yeah I read the man pages. they imply that you can't ignore root. |
| 22:22.38 | mheath | almost everyone, from the CEO down to low employees, had their email box filled up because if it :P |
| 22:22.39 | Sargun_Screen | tensai: how does the software send it out |
| 22:22.58 | tensai | Sargun_Screen: with wall. I don't have the source so I don't know any more. |
| 22:23.11 | Sargun_Screen | tensai: run strace? |
| 22:24.04 | sjansen | unum: I'm aware. But I'm still not sure what "white _case_" means. |
| 22:24.13 | Sargun_Screen | tensai: you could just run the software ina chroot? |
| 22:25.02 | unum | oops |
| 22:25.08 | unum | type |
| 22:25.13 | unum | typo |
| 22:25.20 | unum | I make lots of those |
| 22:25.21 | goozbach | do you use 'wall' elsewise? |
| 22:25.31 | JoshH | unum: what editors are you worried about breaking it? |
| 22:25.32 | goozbach | you could replace it with a simple perl script |
| 22:25.41 | JoshH | anyone not using vim shouldn't be allowed to do anything anyway |
| 22:25.48 | tensai | goozbach: hmm. that's an idea. we don't use it anywhere. |
| 22:25.51 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: echo #!/bin/echo > $(which wall) |
| 22:26.02 | unum | JoshH: wordperfect 3.1 for dos text editor |
| 22:26.11 | JoshH | good lord |
| 22:26.12 | goozbach | ohh, setup an alias or function for just that process which overrides wall |
| 22:26.17 | JoshH | how do you keep your sanity? |
| 22:26.18 | goozbach | (least intrusive) |
| 22:26.40 | Sargun_Screen | http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/Namespaces |
| 22:26.51 | goozbach | linux namespaces could work |
| 22:26.56 | sjansen | backs aware from unum, then runs for the hills |
| 22:26.57 | JoshH | Sargun_Screen: you guys using ex's? |
| 22:26.59 | goozbach | but that's nothing on plan9 |
| 22:27.34 | tensai | goozbach: shell script is in place. cross your fingers. |
| 22:27.37 | unum | everyone claims to be on board with switching..... |
| 22:27.43 | unum | but it always seems like a bad time |
| 22:28.27 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: yeah, we have about a dozen ex4200s and 3200s |
| 22:28.33 | Sargun_Screen | running in VC as well as not VC |
| 22:29.31 | goozbach | wonders if there are some system tools which require wall |
| 22:29.44 | goozbach | tensai: if an alias works, it might be a better idea |
| 22:29.58 | goozbach | replacing something as old and central as wall is scary |
| 22:30.08 | goozbach | (now I've thought about it a bit) |
| 22:30.26 | tensai | aside from shutdown I can't think of anything |
| 22:31.07 | goozbach | well good luck |
| 22:31.21 | goozbach | I expect a report on how your system hoses itself, or not |
| 22:31.54 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: little do you know, wall is used to do MPI for the linux happiness subsystem |
| 22:33.36 | tensai | goozbach: how would an alias work? would I set it in the init script? this is a long lived daemon which presumably spawns a subshell with wall. |
| 22:34.17 | tensai | goozbach: replacing wall with a shell script did work |
| 22:34.51 | tensai | so I know that /usr/bin/wall is being called by the daemon |
| 22:34.54 | JoshH | Sargun_Screen: only big difference between 3200 and 4200 is the stacking, right? |
| 22:38.08 | goozbach | tensai: yeah |
| 22:38.14 | goozbach | set a function/alias |
| 22:38.24 | goozbach | if it's doing system./usr/bin/wall |
| 22:38.27 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: yeah, that's the biggest difference |
| 22:38.28 | goozbach | then the alias won't work |
| 22:38.42 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: but throughput/performance as well |
| 22:39.07 | tensai | goozbach: so far this seems to work. if the box dies mysteriously, well then good riddance to it. |
| 22:39.11 | tensai | ~goozbach++ |
| 22:39.22 | goozbach | you're welcome |
| 22:40.25 | tensai | ~karma goozbach |
| 22:40.25 | ibot | goozbach has karma of 6 |
| 22:40.38 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: I.e. VCP vs. 2x10G fibre ISLs, VCP will win |
| 22:40.53 | Sargun_Screen | ~karma me |
| 22:40.53 | ibot | me has karma of 6 |
| 22:40.58 | Sargun_Screen | ~whatiskarma |
| 22:41.05 | Sargun_Screen | ~whatis karma |
| 22:41.13 | Sargun_Screen | ibot: karma is 3 |
| 22:41.13 | ibot | is 3 has neutral karma |
| 22:41.24 | Sargun_Screen | ibot: no, karmais 3 |
| 22:41.26 | Sargun_Screen | ibot: no, karma is 3 |
| 22:41.26 | ibot | Sargun_Screen: okay |
| 22:41.32 | Sargun_Screen | ibot: karma |
| 22:41.32 | ibot | sargun_screen has neutral karma |
| 22:41.35 | Sargun_Screen | -_- |
| 22:41.38 | Sargun_Screen | ibot: karmais |
| 22:41.46 | tensai | Sargun_Screen: wait, you of all people don't know what karma is? |
| 22:43.45 | goozbach | ibot: tell Sargun_Screen about karma |
| 22:45.38 | Sargun_Screen | TehLaser: reddit |
| 22:45.51 | Sargun_Screen | 14:43 <ibot> goozbach wants you to know: karma is, like, 3 |
| 22:45.55 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach++ |
| 22:45.59 | Sargun_Screen | ~karma goozbach |
| 22:45.59 | ibot | goozbach has karma of 6 |
| 22:46.17 | Sargun_Screen | :-( The Planet and Softlayer merged. |
| 22:48.04 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: Why don't you hang out on #nanog and #ix? |
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| 22:49.19 | JoshH | i used to be in #nanog but it's nothing but 4chan links these days, and #ix is for people who actually talk about peering. we used to have some peers at PAIX a while ago, but not anymore. |
| 22:49.50 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: #ix is pretty chill, but #nanog on terahertz |
| 22:50.21 | JoshH | is #ix still invite only? didn't want to bother getting access just to lurk last time i thought about it |
| 22:51.08 | Sargun_Screen | Nope. |
| 22:52.59 | JoshH | you going to miami? |
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| 22:53.33 | JoshH | i'll probably miss it, since i went to the one in SF recently |
| 22:53.35 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: Nah |
| 22:53.40 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: dude, why didn't I see you there? |
| 22:54.03 | JoshH | dunno |
| 22:54.41 | JoshH | i've only gone to that one and 44 in LA |
| 22:54.47 | JoshH | but i'll probably go to another in 2011 |
| 22:54.49 | Sargun_Screen | I've done NANOG42 & 50. |
| 22:57.32 | JoshH | wait so you weren't at 49? |
| 22:57.45 | JoshH | that would explain why you didn't see me |
| 22:59.37 | Sargun_Screen | s/50/49/ |
| 22:59.48 | JoshH | ah |
| 22:59.58 | tensai | JoshH: when is xmission going to host nanog in slc? I could probably talk my way into that one. |
| 23:01.24 | JoshH | they probably won't ever have it in SLC again. one of the steering committee guys told me it was the lowest attended nanog ever back in 2003, and they said the hotel staff was all blocking the doors and being weird during the beer n' gear. some stupid utah law thing. they got complaints. |
| 23:01.30 | JoshH | way to go, utah republicans |
| 23:02.09 | JoshH | also it would probably be hosted by qwest or UEN or something |
| 23:02.33 | JoshH | UEN hosted it last time |
| 23:02.48 | tensai | whatever it takes. that's basically my only hope for going to nanog. |
| 23:02.59 | Migs | UEN? |
| 23:03.04 | Sargun_Screen | tensai: dude, SF is a hop skip and a jump away |
| 23:03.10 | JoshH | but you could probably go to any... the conf reg and hotel prices are the same always, and my SF flight round trip was only about 300 |
| 23:03.14 | Migs | Utah Educational Network? |
| 23:03.16 | JoshH | migs, yes |
| 23:03.24 | Migs | why would UEN do that? |
| 23:03.31 | JoshH | because they have a large network |
| 23:04.01 | Migs | pffft, tell that to my network guy, who doesn't like me using up bandwidth for video streaming |
| 23:04.03 | JoshH | look at the kind of companies that host them, much larger than xmission: http://nanog.org/meetings/archive/ |
| 23:04.26 | tensai | they have some crazy bandwidth requirements to host |
| 23:05.27 | JoshH | we could probably be one of the secondary or tertiary sponsors i guess |
| 23:05.54 | JoshH | a similar sized company, that was actually one of our colo customers, hosted the albuquerque nanog |
| 23:06.19 | JoshH | but they don't exist in the same form anymore |
| 23:07.14 | Sargun_Screen | tensai: do they? like what |
| 23:07.27 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: he.net isn't that big |
| 23:07.36 | JoshH | Sargun_Screen: bigger than us |
| 23:07.38 | Sargun_Screen | netflix's network isn't that big |
| 23:07.47 | Sargun_Screen | how tiny are you!? |
| 23:07.55 | JoshH | ya, netflix was an odd one |
| 23:07.59 | tensai | I guess it's not as bad as I recall. 45mbps for the conference. http://nanog.org/hosting/ |
| 23:08.40 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: netflix basically used it as a recruiting tool |
| 23:08.46 | JoshH | well, for one, he.net is big enough to provide transit from quite a few different carrier hotels around the country. we're a local ISP and in utah only. |
| 23:08.51 | JoshH | i do like the netflix hoodies they gave out |
| 23:08.52 | Sargun_Screen | and to build up peers/best transit relationships. |
| 23:09.02 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: yeah but I got chocolate on mine |
| 23:09.08 | JoshH | was netflix at the peering bof? i left that early |
| 23:09.18 | Sargun_Screen | haha why? |
| 23:09.25 | JoshH | just wondering since you said that |
| 23:09.45 | JoshH | i like the bof's, interesting to see what sites you visit every day are trying to get peers |
| 23:10.22 | Sargun_Screen | yeah, and you can learn how broken they are |
| 23:10.31 | JoshH | yep |
| 23:16.37 | ljenkins | so is Utopia going to remain the defacto IX in utah? |
| 23:17.08 | tensai | JoshH: back to your comment about low attendance, I heard similar sentiments about utosc and prop 8 |
| 23:17.10 | JoshH | utopia peering is only for the service providers on it, and a few other networks that have a connection to it, like mozy |
| 23:17.55 | ljenkins | hmm, I wonder when someone will get a real ix going in the area |
| 23:18.03 | JoshH | level3's building at delong is probably the closest thing utah has to an exchange |
| 23:18.22 | ljenkins | true, that is a popular spot |
| 23:18.50 | JoshH | but the U bought the old coke building a while ago, and plan to turn it into a place with all their peering, and afaik, colo available for others to peer |
| 23:19.03 | JoshH | last i heard it should open up in about a year |
| 23:19.05 | Sargun_Screen | Why? |
| 23:19.28 | Sargun_Screen | How much bandwidth actually goes through Utah |
| 23:19.38 | ljenkins | I've heard chat in the higher ed community about using it as a colo, but this is the first I've heard of it being opened up to non .ut.us/.edu |
| 23:19.47 | JoshH | utah has a ton of fiber going through it, but no real peering |
| 23:19.55 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: hm |
| 23:20.22 | Sargun_Screen | JoshH: I'd much rather put a PoP in colorado than Utah |
| 23:20.37 | ljenkins | different goals |
| 23:20.38 | JoshH | colorado has some |
| 23:20.49 | Sargun_Screen | denver has an IX |
| 23:20.52 | JoshH | right |
| 23:21.00 | Sargun_Screen | a few actually |
| 23:21.37 | ljenkins | I miss having a four hop route from my xm link to uen |
| 23:22.32 | JoshH | if you have qwest metro ethernet, you can get a vlan to someone else that does as well for peering purposes, for way cheap |
| 23:28.26 | Sargun_Screen | ljenkins: My network is more than 4 hopes |
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