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| 01:50.33 | eightyeight | i've never had a problem with packt books. then again, i only have a couple |
| 01:52.44 | eightyeight | sjansen: levi: http://www.e-booksdirectory.com/listing.php?category=296 |
| 01:52.53 | eightyeight | there's some free db reference material |
| 01:53.05 | eightyeight | new and old |
| 01:53.30 | eightyeight | a couple postgresql books, but nothing on 9 |
| 01:53.48 | eightyeight | (i assume that's what 'PG9' meant) |
| 01:58.13 | Reilithion | Evenin', eightyeight. |
| 02:00.01 | eightyeight | howdy Reilithion |
| 02:09.35 | Reilithion | You and I seem to be the night owls around here. |
| 02:11.27 | eightyeight | i'm working |
| 02:11.34 | eightyeight | at least for the next couple hours |
| 02:14.59 | Reilithion | What do you do? |
| 02:19.15 | mheath | Hey, I'm a night owl too :P Though I haven't been active in #utah much lately. |
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| 02:27.32 | eightyeight | Reilithion: i'm a sysadmin |
| 02:27.55 | Reilithion | mheath: Nice name. |
| 02:28.09 | mheath | uh |
| 02:28.18 | mheath | thanks? Its my first initial and last name |
| 02:29.09 | Reilithion | Kinda figured. I just like the name "Heath". |
| 03:00.27 | Reilithion | Either of you any good with arithmetic encoding or the D programming language? |
| 03:14.38 | fozzmoo | hoots |
| 03:17.24 | Reilithion | That doesn't sound like a promising response. :-/ |
| 03:23.53 | mheath | Reilithion, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by arithmetic encoding. |
| 03:24.36 | Reilithion | mheath: Arithmetic coding, as in the generalized version of Huffman coding. |
| 03:24.47 | Reilithion | It's a compression strategy. |
| 03:24.51 | Reilithion | well, part of one |
| 03:26.35 | mheath | hmm, can't say I've ever worked with that |
| 03:28.49 | Reilithion | Too bad. |
| 03:29.18 | Reilithion | It used to be patent-encumbered, but it looks like at least some of the old patents on it have expired. |
| 03:29.19 | mheath | I'm not enough of a hardcore programmer to have a use for it. |
| 03:29.34 | mheath | The linear algebra theory bits on Wikipedia about Hoffman Coding make sense though :) |
| 03:29.47 | Reilithion | lol |
| 03:29.59 | Reilithion | Stupid algebra. Always giving me a hard time. |
| 03:30.10 | Reilithion | Think I'm going to unfriend it on Facebook. |
| 03:31.33 | mheath | meh algebra is easy |
| 03:31.46 | mheath | Linear Algebra for me is just extra semantics and things to memorize |
| 03:33.12 | Reilithion | Polynomial factoring never got any easier. |
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| 09:34.58 | Reilithion | :-D |
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| 16:42.00 | elg | so i got my ipv6 at home set up |
| 16:42.10 | elg | now i have to figure out how to get my laptop on ipv6 at work :/ |
| 16:42.18 | elg | tensai: acn you ping6 dallben.fugal.net? |
| 16:45.42 | tensai | elg: no response |
| 16:46.18 | elg | traceroute6? |
| 16:46.24 | tensai | elg: stops at gige-gbge0.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net |
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| 18:40.02 | fadein | I'm running 10.10 on an ASUS eeePC netbook. Many people have been complaining that the "disable touchpad" hotkey Fn+F3 doesn't work. I've noticed that it does work in gdm, and it's after logging in to X that it ceases to work. Can anyone explain what's happening between GDM and X that could cause this? |
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| 19:52.58 | Reilithion | hi all |
| 19:55.12 | Reilithion | fadein: That sounds kinda fishy. Have you tried a different kind of session, like XFCE or KDE to see if they're any different? |
| 19:56.03 | fadein | Reilithion: As soon as I launch anything in X (besides GDM) that one button stops working |
| 19:56.13 | fadein | Reilithion: XMonad, Recovery Console, Gnome |
| 19:56.26 | fadein | Reilithion: Actually, in Gnome, my touchpad cuts out all together |
| 19:56.31 | Reilithion | weird |
| 19:56.49 | fadein | Reilithion: luckily for me, XMonad works just fine without it :P |
| 19:56.55 | Reilithion | lol |
| 19:57.16 | fadein | actually, the touchpad works fine in XMonad, except that I can't turn it off. |
| 19:57.34 | fadein | I'm beginning to wonder if it's a HAL/udev type issue |
| 19:57.56 | Reilithion | That's a pretty good bet. |
| 19:58.00 | fadein | does anybody know of a way to post something to pastebin.com from the CLI? |
| 19:58.37 | Reilithion | I know how to copy from a terminal window... |
| 19:58.58 | fadein | seems like I've seen Vim plugins for that before |
| 19:59.18 | Reilithion | oh, probably. |
| 19:59.21 | fadein | something with an interface similiar to xclip, except post the output to a pastebin service |
| 19:59.32 | fadein | that would work without needing X |
| 19:59.51 | fadein | Seems like the sort of thing some hacker would have written by now |
| 20:00.40 | Reilithion | sudo apt-get install pastebinit ? |
| 20:02.20 | fadein | Reilithion: that'll probably do |
| 20:02.54 | Reilithion | There's also the copy-paste feature of GNU Screen (and probably its competitors, tmux and dtach+dvtm, too) |
| 20:03.40 | Reilithion | Ever use any of those? |
| 20:05.57 | mheath | fadein, GPM + links compiled with support for it |
| 20:06.47 | sontek | so whats this silliness about wayland instead of X for Ubuntu? |
| 20:07.05 | Reilithion | Eh? You're kidding. |
| 20:07.15 | Reilithion | I didn't think Wayland was anywhere near ready for that. |
| 20:08.02 | mheath | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551 |
| 20:08.06 | fadein | Reilithion: http://pastebin.com/4DjAiXBf |
| 20:08.21 | mheath | I DO NOT LIKE. |
| 20:08.34 | fadein | Reilithion: pastebinit scratched my itch. |
| 20:08.56 | mheath | I was not impressed by the half-baked features they pushed out in the latest netbook edition |
| 20:09.11 | mheath | and now they want to do the same radical, half-finished things iwth the entire distro? |
| 20:09.50 | Reilithion | fadein: lol, thanks. But I actually used aptitude. |
| 20:14.25 | Reilithion | mheath: Hmm. I am torn. I love the idea of Wayland. |
| 20:15.09 | Reilithion | It's a way to get out of the past and move toward a better, faster, smarter display manager and desktop stack as a whole. |
| 20:16.20 | mheath | Reilithion, My point was, they're taking bigger risks when it comes to feature rollout lately |
| 20:16.59 | mheath | And thats not necessarily a good thing. In 10.10 Netbook Edition, the UI was completely redone. In my opinion, it is now unusably broken |
| 20:17.59 | goozbach | fadein: gist |
| 20:18.10 | sjansen | I, for one, am glad to see Ubuntu taking risks and helping to move Linux forward. |
| 20:18.33 | JoshH | a risk is one thing |
| 20:18.34 | mheath | sjansen, I can agree with that, somewhat. |
| 20:18.47 | JoshH | but charging ahead with huge changes should at least be done with some thought and care |
| 20:18.51 | mheath | I'm just nervous that Ubuntu's decisions are based on Shuttleworth's random whims |
| 20:19.01 | JoshH | i hadn't even heard about that new system until i read about that |
| 20:19.11 | JoshH | i wouldn't say i'm nervous |
| 20:19.21 | JoshH | if i ended up having to switch to fedora it wouldn't be the end of the world |
| 20:19.30 | elg | @#$@% apple |
| 20:19.35 | JoshH | though it would be worse than most natural disasters |
| 20:19.49 | sjansen | I think it's also important to remember that Wayland wasn't started by Ubuntu, instead Canonical is committing to invest in a project already started by the community. |
| 20:20.01 | elg | I am trying to forward smb over ssh, but trying to mount the drive apple tells me "The server 'localhost' is available on your computer. Access the volumes and files locally." |
| 20:20.30 | mheath | elg, clearly Apple thinks you're too stupid to figure out what localhost is :P |
| 20:20.53 | JoshH | if this was for some permanent thing, i'd say use a GRE tunnel or something |
| 20:20.55 | elg | clearly. and it does the same for any variant, even my regular IP |
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| 20:21.27 | Reilithion | It would be a cruel irony if I ended up migrating back to Debian because Ubuntu broke. |
| 20:21.49 | JoshH | i've considered going back to debian but haven't had enough reason to bother |
| 20:21.52 | mheath | The Global Menu Bar in th Netbook Edition was the biggest fiasco to me, and the best example of what can go wrong with Shuttleworth's whims. |
| 20:22.17 | JoshH | i stopped caring about netbooks after i got an mbp |
| 20:22.27 | JoshH | not that i really cared about them before |
| 20:22.47 | mheath | The guy who originally developed the GTK hack for a Global Menu bar had, in recent years, been working on standardizing it, cleaning it up, tweaking it, and getting it ready for serious distribution. He kept petitioning to have it included in Gnome or as a standard, optional package in Ubuntu. Kept getting turned down. |
| 20:23.02 | mheath | Suddenly Shuttleworth decides this would be an awesome idea to include in Ubuntu |
| 20:23.20 | mheath | But he completely blows off the years of work by this guy, and they completely reinvent the wheel |
| 20:23.33 | mheath | Their version is half-baked, broken, buggy |
| 20:24.01 | JoshH | do you guys actually use your desktops menus? |
| 20:24.17 | unum | ya |
| 20:24.22 | unum | do you just use commandline? |
| 20:24.24 | JoshH | i think i only do to change stuff through the preferences |
| 20:24.26 | unum | I use the tool bar mostly |
| 20:24.31 | JoshH | like resolution and stuff |
| 20:24.40 | JoshH | or the size of my cursor |
| 20:24.57 | goozbach | elg superhost.orp in /etc/hosts then try using that name |
| 20:25.40 | mheath | goozbach, he said it was doing it even by IP address |
| 20:25.44 | mheath | that seems unlikely to work =\ |
| 20:29.49 | sontek | JoshH: I never touch my menus, I use gnome-do to launch everything |
| 20:29.52 | elg | http://blog.lococobra.com/how-to-connect-to-samba-shares-over-the-internet-via-ssh-from-mac-os-x has the trick. "sudo ifconfig lo0 127.0.0.2 alias up" and then LocalForward 127.0.0.2:{139,445} to localhost:{139,445} |
| 20:30.24 | mheath | +1 on the gnome-do |
| 20:30.44 | mheath | I miss it so much, now that I'm stuck in Windows most of the time :( |
| 20:30.49 | elg | er, well you have to ssh as root then. or, you can forward a different port and then connect to cifs://127.0.0.2:$port/$username |
| 20:31.40 | elg | so as long as I have an ssh session open, which is usually (but maybe I"ll have autossh in the bg if it gets annoying) |
| 20:31.58 | tensai | puts sauerkraut in elg's hair |
| 20:33.14 | sontek | mheath: there are a lot of windows alternatives for it though |
| 20:33.38 | mheath | yeah, I know. I have yet to find any that are quite as good though |
| 20:33.53 | elg | puts russian dressing on tensai |
| 20:44.00 | sjansen | ponders where to buy two adult sized slices of rye |
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| 20:49.30 | Reilithion | corners the cheese market |
| 21:00.09 | jsmith | Reilithion: Good cheeses don't have corners :-p |
| 21:05.01 | goozbach | they do have black wax and are made in vermont though |
| 21:05.28 | goozbach | waits for teh day when he'll ahve enough cold storage space he can buy an *ENTIRE* wheel of cabot black wax cheddar |
| 21:06.39 | jsmith | goozbach: Have you tried their "three year cheddar"? |
| 21:07.05 | goozbach | oh have I ever!!! |
| 21:07.43 | goozbach | we made homemade tomato soup last year, and had that on homemade bread as a grilled cheese sandwich |
| 21:07.46 | goozbach | best |
| 21:07.48 | goozbach | dinner |
| 21:07.49 | goozbach | evar! |
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| 23:36.46 | JoshH | anyone here know a lot about squid? |
| 23:39.03 | goozbach | not a lot, but I have used it as a front-end cache for apache |
| 23:40.53 | mheath | I've had to play with it at work some |
| 23:41.27 | JoshH | our squid server is pulling in about 700megabits a second, but only sending a much smaller amount to users. looking at the access log, it seems to be grabbing the same gigantic world of warcraft game files over and over |
| 23:42.21 | JoshH | going to be expensive if i can't make it stop, the main squid guy is out of town too |
| 23:42.58 | goozbach | JoshH: working as an accelrator then? |
| 23:43.04 | JoshH | i've got some other guys messing with it, but if anyone has tips or advice i'd like them |
| 23:43.09 | JoshH | ya, caching proxy |
| 23:43.34 | goozbach | you can put a deny rule for that specific url |
| 23:43.40 | goozbach | who's playing WoW? |
| 23:43.45 | JoshH | somebody recently rebuilt the server and may have forgotten some useful config stuff, but it's not my forte |
| 23:44.32 | JoshH | it's wow, and also a bunch of porn videos from coming from limelight networks doign the same thing |
| 23:44.43 | JoshH | it's someone downloading the game client apparently |
| 23:44.53 | goozbach | JoshH: you acting as an ISP? |
| 23:44.57 | JoshH | yes |
| 23:45.08 | goozbach | so blocking that URL isn't the right answer... |
| 23:45.09 | goozbach | hmm |
| 23:45.12 | JoshH | right |
| 23:45.34 | goozbach | what you may want to do is setup a bucket for that url |
| 23:45.37 | JoshH | this squid probably just doesn't know how to handle large files properly somehow |
| 23:45.43 | goozbach | slow it down some |
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| 23:49.45 | mheath | JoshH, I haven't used Squid in that capacity, really.... But as a suggestion, turn on direct access to those sites? |
| 23:50.54 | mheath | acl WOW dstdomain .blizzard.com |
| 23:51.00 | mheath | always_direct allow WOW |
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| 23:51.24 | mheath | its probably the caching mechanism that is slowing it down, I would imagine. That would at least get things flowing again |
| 23:51.30 | sjansen | What's your concern? Rate limiting the download? Caching it? Not caching it? Completely avoiding squid's involvement? |
| 23:51.42 | JoshH | well adding sites to that manually wouldn't be ideal |
| 23:52.06 | mheath | JoshH, I know. I meant this as more of a breakfix until your Squid guy comes back |
| 23:52.13 | JoshH | we did try this earlier, but the person who did it forgot to restart squid. i just did, and so far it does seem a lot better. http://serverfault.com/questions/67474/overwhelming-traffic-from-llnw-com-and-msecn-net-through-squid |
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| 23:53.12 | mheath | ah, yeah, that makes sense |
| 23:53.16 | JoshH | sjansen: i only needed the issue fixed because it was causing bandwidth overages. squid shouldn't be doing that much inbound. |
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| 23:55.26 | JoshH | yay, the limelight pounding is over |
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| 23:55.46 | mheath | cool, I learned something new here :) |
| 23:55.59 | JoshH | i hate people who choose to use the proxies that their isp provides |