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| 01:14.32 | eggyknap | Hrm. utosc.com is apparently down. |
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| 02:03.56 | levi | Hmm, no one who talked to me earlier is still on. Oh well. |
| 02:16.03 | eightyeight | well, speed it up grandpa |
| 02:16.14 | levi | Been busy today. |
| 02:16.27 | levi | Tracking down memory errors with valgrind. |
| 02:17.35 | Nafai | fun |
| 02:17.57 | levi | C still sucks. |
| 02:18.26 | eightyeight | heh |
| 02:20.06 | Nafai | not going to argue |
| 02:20.22 | levi | What really sucks are flies, though. |
| 02:20.30 | Migs | fruitflies, to be specific |
| 02:20.36 | Migs | we just had a minor infestation last week |
| 02:20.47 | Migs | buzzing all around our kitchen. Fly traps took care of them quickly, though |
| 02:21.20 | eightyeight | i've been fighting fedora upgrades all day |
| 02:21.21 | levi | We've had houseflies galore for over a month. They're everywhere at home and work. They love to buzz around my head and land on my hair. |
| 02:21.33 | eightyeight | _3_ hours for a single upgrade from f13 to f14 |
| 02:22.11 | eightyeight | so i'm taking every opportunity to complain about it |
| 02:22.38 | levi | That's no fun, but at least it's not buzzing around your head and landing on you. |
| 02:22.50 | eightyeight | very true |
| 02:22.58 | Nafai | wow, 3 hours? |
| 02:23.10 | Nafai | I <3 Ubuntu |
| 02:24.28 | eightyeight | yup |
| 02:24.34 | eightyeight | preupgrade ftw |
| 02:32.34 | eightyeight | http://labs.codecomputerlove.com/FlashVsHtml5/ |
| 02:32.42 | eightyeight | that's rather creative |
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| 03:15.13 | lukfugl | the cow is eating you, ibot |
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| 03:39.27 | sontek | I'm presenting on ssh at my next LUG meeting, what do you guys think are the important things to cover? |
| 03:40.14 | sontek | I've never used wireshark to snag up peoples traffic over wifi but I plan on showing that, ssh tunnels to hide your traffic and get around port blocks, and key auth to servers |
| 03:41.24 | sontek | eightyeight: my f14 upgrade only took 20minutes.. I booted the iso from my network, installed on my machine, then git pulled my dotfiles and I was good to go ^_^ |
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| 04:03.06 | lukfugl | please please discuss agents and -A |
| 04:03.25 | lukfugl | I won't be there, and I already know about it, but it's changed my life :) so tell others |
| 04:09.05 | eightyeight | -A makes me nervous |
| 04:09.20 | eightyeight | i used to use it all the time, until i realized the trail i was creating for potential attackers |
| 04:09.26 | levi | What's -A? |
| 04:09.38 | eightyeight | agent authentication forwarding |
| 04:09.49 | eightyeight | allows you to forward your agent to the host your connecting to |
| 04:10.27 | eightyeight | thus, your private key could be extracted from the agent on the new host |
| 04:14.30 | lukfugl | "An attacker cannot obtain key material from the agent, however they can perform operations on the keys that enable them to authenticate using the identities loaded into the agent." |
| 04:14.33 | lukfugl | from the manpage |
| 04:14.44 | lukfugl | so yeah, use with caution, but you're not sending your private key to the remote machine |
| 04:15.23 | levi | Oh, I missed the context. ssh -A. |
| 04:16.11 | eightyeight | ah, true |
| 04:16.49 | eightyeight | still, being able to use your identity to authenticate to others servers could mean getting access to your private key, if it's on the server |
| 04:16.57 | eightyeight | hopefully, it's passphrased |
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| 06:25.47 | Gate | holy crap, philpot leads by 100 votes? |
| 06:34.29 | levi | Where are you seeing that? |
| 06:41.28 | Gate | fox news, CNN says matheson has a huge lead though |
| 06:42.07 | Gate | now fox agrees with cnn |
| 06:42.14 | Gate | sigh. Another term of matheson. |
| 06:42.24 | levi | electionresults.utah.gov has Matheson ahead by a comfortable margin and 100% precincts reporting. |
| 06:43.14 | levi | The Matheson = Pelosi signs make me laugh. |
| 06:43.41 | Gate | lol, its not too far from the truth, but far enough |
| 06:44.50 | Gate | Luckily, it doesn't matter if Matheson stays with regard to her, house majority leader she will be no longer. |
| 06:45.32 | Gate | gah, speaker |
| 06:45.50 | levi | You've got to have a pretty skewed political spectrum to think Pelosi and Matheson are equivalent. |
| 06:46.11 | Gate | didn't I just say that I don't think they are? |
| 06:46.30 | levi | Sort of. |
| 06:46.37 | levi | "not too far from the truth" |
| 06:47.00 | Gate | He does quite a bit of voting the party line for democrats. He was a member which contributed to their majority. |
| 06:47.22 | Gate | I take it more figuratively, not that they are the same but that a vote for Matheson supports Pelosi |
| 06:49.10 | Gate | Suppose I am giving the sign makers too much credit, though. |
| 06:50.42 | levi | Bah, he voted against most of the big controversial stuff. No on bailouts, no on Obamacare, etc. He's a total Blue Dog. |
| 06:52.49 | levi | So not aligned with Pelosi. |
| 06:53.24 | Gate | Hm, I was incorrect, I thought he had voted for the bailouts. |
| 06:53.32 | Gate | He flip-flopped on healthcare |
| 06:53.38 | Gate | finally voted no |
| 06:54.04 | levi | He's urging Pelosi to extend the Bush tax cuts. |
| 06:55.28 | Gate | As I have said in the past, he took a lot of flak in the last few months he didn't entirely deserve |
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| 14:47.48 | eightyeight | Lars-UT-away, jsmith-away, romanovic-afk, zzzirk_away ... did i miss anyone? |
| 14:52.40 | unum | :( |
| 14:52.43 | unum | boucher is gone |
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| 15:02.35 | goozbach | anyone in the St George/Southern Utah area know any Rails devs? |
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| 15:04.39 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | minecraft server up at plug.org | sjansen want YOU to have a warm chocolate muffin |
| 15:05.04 | sjansen | ponders all that is right with the world as he eats a warm chocolate muffin |
| 15:08.02 | goozbach | is slightly jealous |
| 15:08.18 | goozbach | but not much, as he is nursing a home-made hot cocoa. |
| 15:08.41 | unum | I'm going to send a message to boucher telling him how much I appreciate his work, and that I'll miss him |
| 15:11.44 | sjansen | François Boucher, the french painter? |
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| 15:47.49 | goozbach | ya know what's cool? |
| 15:48.03 | goozbach | when your boss is the guy who invented PAT and NAT |
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| 15:53.42 | mrsprinkles | ugh, starting the day with a flooded inbox of nagios warnings |
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| 16:04.46 | goozbach | utos dns server is broken. |
| 16:04.54 | goozbach | they are working on it |
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| 17:36.13 | tristanrhodes__ | I just saw a neat idea: using advertisements inside the CAPTCHA process (rather than random text) |
| 17:39.42 | jsmith | You think that's neat? |
| 17:39.48 | jsmith | thinks it's more evil than neat |
| 17:44.59 | tristanrhodes__ | you are already wasting hte users time, might as well gain some benefit from that time |
| 17:45.52 | macnewbold | i heard about an interesting attack at the last uphpu meeting - a way to efficiently break captchas |
| 17:45.53 | jsmith | reads that as "You're already bothering your users with ads -- you might as well really annoy or offend them with blatant ad-walls" |
| 17:46.32 | macnewbold | they called it the "free porn" attack |
| 17:47.11 | macnewbold | the way it works is they display the captcha from your site |
| 17:47.27 | macnewbold | on their page that offers free porn if you fill out the captcha |
| 17:47.42 | macnewbold | then they submit to your site whatever they want with the now filled-out captcah |
| 17:51.30 | sjansen | Yesterday we discovered that [F/OSS project] was firewalling us because one of our ISP's customers tried to SSH brute force them. |
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| 17:52.48 | sjansen | Since then he's been going and forth with one of the developers trying to convince him that blocking an entire ISP is a stupid thing to do. |
| 17:53.35 | sjansen | Morons. |
| 17:55.09 | sjansen | s/he's/my boss has/ |
| 17:55.39 | sjansen | He's been sharing his emails with us. So far my favorite part is: |
| 17:56.10 | sjansen | "XXXX is X.X.X.X/14 or 4 contiguous class B sized networks. There are several entire countries in the world who have less IPs than that." |
| 18:13.22 | mheath_ | eightyeight, yes, you understood my facebook post correctly. I am getting a divorce. |
| 18:17.17 | mheath_ | woah, I meant to private message that. Not sure how that happened. Sorry, folks. |
| 18:27.28 | emcnabb | sjansen, are you on IM? |
| 18:28.31 | lukfugl | who's blocking what isp? |
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| 19:16.16 | bbeattie | Had the main drive of my families e-mail server die (7 year old debian install, uptime of 3 years) anyway, re-installing, any opinions on something better than squirrelmail? roundcube, neomail, horde (this seems overkill) for general webmail? |
| 19:19.51 | goozbach | I like roundcube |
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| 20:00.04 | sjansen | emcnabb: I am now. |
| 20:00.30 | emcnabb | sjansen, thank you |
| 20:02.08 | sjansen | No, thank you. |
| 20:02.52 | sjansen | You've publicly acknowledged knowing me and wanting to IM me. |
| 20:03.12 | goozbach | saves his logs |
| 20:03.14 | emcnabb | sjansen, I'm glad it helps you feel special |
| 20:03.29 | sjansen | can feel his small, cold heart growing three sizes larger |
| 20:03.37 | emcnabb | throws a cookie in sjansen's direction |
| 20:03.48 | goozbach | encrypts them and uploads them to his WORM drive system |
| 20:04.14 | emcnabb | goozbach, you're encrypting my cookies? now that's impressive! |
| 20:04.37 | goozbach | *shrug* least I can do |
| 20:04.45 | goozbach | they went with the logs |
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| 20:34.32 | sjansen | http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2010/11/03/131038429/keynes-v-hayek-hip-hop-smackdown-part-ii?ft=1&f=93559255 |
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| 20:39.13 | eightyeight | mheath_: sorry to hear that |
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| 21:05.54 | macnewbold | bbeattie: I've had squirrelmail and horde running for quite a while, but more seem to choose squirrel |
| 21:06.31 | bbeattie | I've used squirrelmail for years, but haven't liked that it doesn't (didn't?) do html e-mails, giving roundcube a shot now |
| 21:06.42 | macnewbold | roundcube is pretty |
| 21:15.25 | goozbach | that's what I like about roundcube |
| 21:15.43 | goozbach | i could probabally go back to squirrelmail now I subscribe to inboxzero |
| 21:16.00 | goozbach | but I couldn't find anything in my old email folder |
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| 21:37.53 | tristanrhodes__ | bbeattie, I have hosted my own mail server before (postfix+openwebmal+mailscanner) but now I recommend google apps for your domain |
| 21:38.38 | tristanrhodes__ | has had hardware problems, being hacked, power outages, comcast outages, enough that he wanted the better availability |
| 21:38.55 | bbeattie | tristanrhodes__: I agree, I normally would have except my father likes to have full control over his stuff (as he uses procmail and other stuff he's spent a lot of time configuring) |
| 21:40.09 | goozbach | bbeattie: I use apps for my domain as well, but I download it all to my linode using fetchmail |
| 21:40.16 | goozbach | which I then connect to via imap |
| 21:40.59 | tristanrhodes__ | ++1 on downloading all your email from google. just in case. |
| 21:42.29 | Gate | Google provides decent access for backup purposes and there are tools to acheive getting them all |
| 21:42.50 | Gate | I am using google apps now and I effectively suck at any complicated IT setups :) |
| 22:25.47 | fungus | If my email explodes and disappears, i'll get over it. I just learn to not depend on email. It's not a great method of general information storage anyway. |
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| 22:52.42 | sjansen | is officially rocking F14 |
| 23:03.38 | goozbach | just started preupgrade |
| 23:03.46 | goozbach | and he wonders if there's a tui version |
| 23:04.42 | JoshH | maybe you would know if every review was more than screenshots of every step of the install and then a pic of the default desktop, with a list of some of the apps that are in the gnome menu by default |
| 23:05.09 | JoshH | and a paragraph on how it can't take over the desktop until it plays dvds and mp3s by default |
| 23:17.53 | eightyeight | goozbach: preupgrade-cli |
| 23:18.13 | eightyeight | (which i wouldn't recommend. took 3 hours yesterday from start to finish) |
| 23:18.20 | eightyeight | but, it exists |
| 23:19.02 | goozbach | I'll give it a shot |
| 23:19.11 | goozbach | gonna leave it run overnight |
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