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| 02:47.18 | maquis | mmm.. nanowrimo |
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| 04:23.13 | eightyeight | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODc0Ng |
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| 15:59.25 | sjansen | "In 2006, GWT was ported to python, by James Tauber, in a successful experiment called Pyjamas. The 80,000 or so lines of source code that made up GWT 1.2 were dramatically reduced to only 8,000, for Pyjamas." |
| 15:59.30 | sjansen | uff da |
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| 16:34.52 | Migs | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11673625 |
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| 16:38.38 | fadein | Could we put a reminder to get out and vote in the topic? |
| 16:38.45 | fadein | And then remember to remove it tomorrow? |
| 16:41.16 | Migs | I don't know why Google bothers. They're not going to win the lawsuit. |
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| 17:04.58 | TehLaser | Not all lawsuits are about winning. |
| 17:05.17 | TehLaser | Just making a stink about it will likely get them more consideration next time around. |
| 17:10.23 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | minecraft server up at plug.org | fadein wants YOU to vote |
| 17:14.44 | sjansen | I'm trying to figure out if it is possible have a non-ascii account name as part of an email address. |
| 17:15.14 | sjansen | I know IDNA can be used for the domain part of the address, but I'm striking out on the account. |
| 17:15.20 | sjansen | Does anyone already know the answer? |
| 17:16.17 | unum | I would think that would be really software specific |
| 17:16.24 | macnewbold | sjansen: I think it is possible, but i don't know the faintest thing about actually doing it. i recommend against it for compatibility sake. |
| 17:16.39 | unum | because I'm sure email servers in china support non ascii characters |
| 17:17.00 | unum | but you'll probably run into promblems with a lot of servers |
| 17:17.15 | sjansen | macnewbold: That's all and good, but before I tell a customer that we're refusing to support email addresses, I'd like to have a stronger basis for my argument. |
| 17:17.45 | unum | which mta are you using? |
| 17:17.47 | sjansen | I'm pretty sure the customer just screwed up, but the joys of timezones make interacting a pain. |
| 17:17.58 | macnewbold | isn |
| 17:18.08 | macnewbold | isn't "thats our policy, sorry" a strong enough reason? |
| 17:18.49 | sjansen | no |
| 17:19.15 | JoshH | just tell them that those characters are stupid and you don't like them |
| 17:19.27 | unum | and anyone that uses them is a commie |
| 17:19.29 | unum | glenn said so |
| 17:19.38 | JoshH | well they would obviously be foreigners |
| 17:19.50 | JoshH | who should learn english before coming here or dealing with us |
| 17:20.01 | sjansen | Refusing to accept money from a customer just because email is a giant hairball of compatibility issues doesn't seem like the path to fame and glory. |
| 17:20.09 | unum | that's right LEARN AMERICAN |
| 17:20.15 | unum | that should be your policiy ;) |
| 17:20.45 | sjansen | JoshH: What if they've agreed to stay where they are and just send us money? |
| 17:20.45 | unum | what mta are you using? |
| 17:20.49 | unum | what do the logs show? |
| 17:21.05 | JoshH | sjansen: as long as they convert it to american dollars or goldline gold for you, that's fine |
| 17:21.07 | unum | we don't want their commie money |
| 17:21.17 | unum | goldline gold, nice |
| 17:21.29 | sjansen | Nothing in the logs. The customer gave me a list of students, now I have to send them email. |
| 17:23.42 | macnewbold | well, it probably wouldn't hurt much to try sending it to all of them, and if they fail, tell him they failed |
| 17:23.52 | macnewbold | make sure bounces go to him probably |
| 17:24.59 | unum | is the problem that you are sending mail and people aren't getting it? |
| 17:25.09 | unum | or are you hosting mail that people aren't getting |
| 17:26.13 | unum | I have a hard time believing that there is any major server that doesn't execept utf |
| 17:26.44 | unum | I wouldn't think any would use ascii |
| 17:26.54 | unum | though they may use utf-8....... |
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| 17:38.59 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: ping |
| 17:40.16 | rsimpkins | I can't seem to get to utos.org. Someone forget to pay the Internet bill? |
| 17:40.50 | macnewbold | you can bug herlo about it in a little while |
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| 18:14.53 | tarrant | When using rsyslog is there any way to do a property based filter (:msg, contains, "blah") and have it filter by log level? |
| 18:15.11 | eightyeight | unum: sjansen doesn't want to answer your question. he probably has you on /ignore |
| 18:16.03 | eightyeight | unum: but, i'll take a stab in the dark, and bet it's postfix |
| 18:17.00 | eightyeight | no way would it be sendmail, because, well, it just sucks. no way would it be exim4, because that's what debian uses by default, and sjansen distances himself from anything debian-related |
| 18:19.33 | eightyeight | maybe qmail, i guess, but i doubt it |
| 18:29.07 | sjansen | http://www.theserverside.com/news/2240024154/The-Oracle-Lawsuit-Will-End-with-Google-Owning-Java <-- Interesting |
| 18:29.17 | sjansen | eightyeight: Why would I /ignore unum? |
| 18:30.19 | unum | because I always talk about politics? |
| 18:30.23 | unum | ;) |
| 18:30.31 | sjansen | For the record, I walked off because it was lunch time and clearly everyone was just throwing darts at the wall. |
| 18:31.21 | sjansen | The MTA doesn't matter, because Django will choke on the address long before then. |
| 18:31.42 | unum | aaaah I see |
| 18:31.55 | unum | I didn't know where you were having problems |
| 18:31.57 | sjansen | It'd be nice to know the what I should be doing instead, but I've yet to find a definitive answer. |
| 18:32.48 | unum | I'm surpised that django was choking |
| 18:32.58 | unum | maybe eightyeighty will know a little something about that |
| 18:33.11 | unum | he was using django on a website with a lot of korean users |
| 18:33.23 | unum | well he wasn't the one using django..... |
| 18:35.15 | unum | my guess would be is that your database is set up UTF8 |
| 18:35.22 | sjansen | Out of curiosity, I also tried sending my personal message using a utf8 to: |
| 18:35.45 | unum | utf8 =~ ascii |
| 18:35.52 | sjansen | I just bounced a few minutes ago. Something choked on the "unencoded 8-bit data" along the way. |
| 18:36.01 | sjansen | Yes, but SMTP is 7 bit. |
| 18:36.13 | unum | ah I see |
| 18:36.25 | unum | but now we're back to the mta |
| 18:38.03 | unum | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5336 |
| 18:38.09 | unum | I guess it is still experimental |
| 18:39.17 | eightyeight | unum: i was using django with a olt of korean users? what site was that?- |
| 18:39.34 | eightyeight | s/olt/lot/ |
| 18:39.39 | unum | eightyeight: interplay |
| 18:39.48 | unum | introplay |
| 18:39.50 | unum | what ever it was |
| 18:39.59 | eightyeight | i don't remember there being a lot of koreans on the site, but yeah. that was django powered |
| 18:40.01 | unum | but I think mike was doing all the django work |
| 18:40.09 | eightyeight | i built most of the templates |
| 18:40.11 | unum | mike told me there was at one point |
| 18:40.14 | eightyeight | heh did the back-end python |
| 18:40.20 | eightyeight | s/heh/he |
| 18:42.37 | sjansen | eightyeight: Mind ping him and asking if and how they emailed users with non-ascii addresses? |
| 18:43.54 | eightyeight | sure |
| 18:44.18 | eightyeight | i honestly don't remember having korean accounts as some sort of trend, or anything. that might have happened after i left |
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| 20:35.56 | emcnabb | levi, I enjoyed your response on Facebook |
| 20:36.02 | emcnabb | exactly what I was thinking |
| 20:36.25 | emcnabb | but couldn't respond back with (lest I start a major debate and make enemies) :-) |
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| 20:58.41 | Migs | http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/02/w3c-tests-html5-browser-compatibility-crowns-ie9-the-champ/ |
| 21:00.12 | eightyeight | http://www.webmonkey.com/2010/11/ie9-leads-pack-in-html5-support-not-exactly |
| 21:01.02 | eightyeight | hate to rain on your parade, but that "test" wasn't exactly comprehensive. in fact, it could be argued the individual test items were cherry-picked to make ie9 look good |
| 21:05.36 | sjansen | levi: Anything those of use that don't use FB would care to hear about? |
| 21:05.51 | goozbach | http://www.julienberthier.org/Love-love.html |
| 21:10.33 | sjansen | That. Is. The. Awesome. |
| 21:12.19 | unum | anyone going to hang out at the marriot tonight? |
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| 22:01.00 | fadein | I wish they put one of those "I Voted" stickers in the mail ballots |
| 22:01.31 | fadein | That way I wouldn't feel like such an outcast today. I'm sure everybody thinks I'm an apathetic slacker. |
| 22:02.15 | sjansen | fadein: Grab a marker and write it on your forehead. |
| 22:02.35 | fadein | sjansen: hmmmm... that *would* get the point across... |
| 22:10.05 | shalkie | fadein: Tattoo it in so you will be ready for next year? |
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| 22:19.06 | sjansen | unum: I'm interested in jQuery, but there's no way I'll remember something a week away. |
| 22:19.28 | sjansen | Therefore, I hereby declare it is your responsibility to remind me. |
| 22:19.34 | unum | sjansen: will do :) |
| 22:27.03 | tarrant | Any ideas why http://pastebin.com/haA9PnHc is stopping syslog from logging normal things to their normal files. |
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| 22:37.01 | sjansen | I assume this is rsyslog? |
| 22:37.53 | tarrant | Yes |
| 22:44.26 | sjansen | http://wiki.rsyslog.com/index.php/Filtering_by_program_name |
| 22:45.07 | sjansen | Fun fun fun! |
| 22:47.54 | tarrant | `Noted here as 'NOT YET IMPLEMENTED'` is bs |
| 22:48.40 | tarrant | Thanks though. |
| 22:58.44 | sjansen | http://consumerist.com/2010/11/capital-one-made-me-different-loan-offers-depending-on-which-browser-i-used.html |
| 23:34.16 | JessieAMorris | sjansen: Most engaging.... |
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