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| 12:12.08 | eightyeight | xen dom0 core merged into 2.6.37? wow |
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| 15:38.00 | sjansen | ~dig planet.utos.org |
| 15:38.09 | sjansen | ~host planet.utos.org |
| 15:38.09 | ibot | see nslookup planet.utos.org |
| 15:38.17 | sjansen | ~nslookup planet.utos.ot |
| 15:38.26 | sjansen | ~nslookup planet.utos.org |
| 15:38.29 | sjansen | grumbles |
| 15:40.12 | goozbach | sjansen: herlo is aware of the problem and is trying to fix it |
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| 18:56.24 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:56.24 | ibot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking sjansen's head off |
| 18:57.50 | tbye | We've come a long way from the trout |
| 18:58.04 | eightyeight | if the axe takes off sjansen's head, why does it need to be rusty? |
| 18:58.25 | mheath_ | extra spite |
| 18:58.36 | emcnabb | eightyeight, why get a clean axe dirty when you can use an old rusty one? |
| 18:58.40 | mheath_ | Or maybe it's so he'll end up like Nearly Headless Nick |
| 18:58.56 | emcnabb | mheath_, greetings. long time no see |
| 18:59.13 | mheath_ | emcnabb, thank you. I've managed to stay busy lately. IRC isn't always a priority :P |
| 18:59.16 | eightyeight | emcnabb: who said anything about the axe being clean? |
| 18:59.32 | emcnabb | mheath_, I know the feeling |
| 18:59.45 | emcnabb | eightyeight, no one |
| 18:59.57 | emcnabb | just explaining the mental image in my head |
| 19:00.04 | eightyeight | ah |
| 19:00.07 | emcnabb | mheath_, what are you up to these days? |
| 19:00.38 | eightyeight | now, if it were a rusty spoon... |
| 19:00.39 | mheath_ | emcnabb, I work as an IT support analyst...thingy (its kinda impossible to give myself an accurate one line job description) |
| 19:01.02 | mheath_ | and go to school. Though I'm probably taking next semester off of school to focus on a couple of Certifications for work, and possibly put some thought into starting a business |
| 19:01.04 | emcnabb | mheath_, cool, sounds fun |
| 19:01.06 | sjansen | ~lart xen |
| 19:01.06 | ibot | whacks xen upside the head |
| 19:02.43 | emcnabb | sjansen, what did Xen ever to do you? :-) |
| 19:02.44 | Migs | whoa, mheath is back? |
| 19:03.12 | Migs | mheath_: What kind of business? |
| 19:03.54 | mheath_ | Migs, An outsourcer that provides call center IT infrastructure |
| 19:04.20 | sjansen | Xen keeps breaking, putting my VMs into a blockhole I can't penetrate. |
| 19:04.37 | sjansen | Which I'd be fine with if this were just a dev box. |
| 19:04.44 | emcnabb | good boy xen, keep doing it |
| 19:04.58 | emcnabb | throws xen a cookie |
| 19:05.24 | eightyeight | i posted earlier today that xen is getting merged into 2.6.37. should be fun times ahead |
| 19:07.07 | mheath_ | Perhaps outsource is a bad word, as too many people (incorrectly) conjure up visisions of India. s/outsourcer/contractor/g |
| 19:08.10 | Migs | yeah, I just assumed you'd move to India |
| 19:11.03 | mheath_ | I'm trying to get more familiar with Asterisk, though. I'm not sure that I currently have the knowledge to pull off that bit by myself. |
| 19:11.59 | emcnabb | mheath_, good luck with everything |
| 19:12.12 | mheath_ | thanks. We'll see how it goes :) |
| 19:12.27 | sjansen | mheath_: Don't let him fool you, emcnabb is a bitter, mean old man. |
| 19:12.29 | JessieAMorris | mheath_: So how's India?dia? |
| 19:12.33 | JessieAMorris | *India |
| 19:12.34 | JessieAMorris | :-) |
| 19:12.48 | JessieAMorris | hopes everyone got he was kidding... |
| 19:13.13 | mheath_ | to be fair, my manager is currently on a business trip to india |
| 19:13.19 | emcnabb | sjansen, kettle, meet pot |
| 19:13.21 | mheath_ | that level in the company gets to take trips like that regularly |
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| 19:15.08 | emcnabb | mheath_, weren't you in the Carolinas a while back? |
| 19:15.16 | emcnabb | (I'm in NC these days) |
| 19:15.25 | mheath_ | Yes, about 3 years ago |
| 19:15.30 | mheath_ | I'm in Bountiful, UT now |
| 19:15.40 | emcnabb | mheath_, shows how on top of things I am :-) |
| 19:15.47 | mheath_ | I miss SC. I need to go back for a trip sometime |
| 19:15.51 | mheath_ | Hehe, thats fine :) |
| 19:16.43 | mheath_ | Does anyone here have recommendations for an open source, trouble ticket framework? |
| 19:16.59 | goozbach | mheath_: once you get it installed/configured RT is awesome |
| 19:17.05 | mheath_ | An actual, flexible framework, just just a ready-made bug system for open source projects |
| 19:17.13 | mheath_ | RT? hmm, hadn't even heard of that one for some reason, I'll check it out |
| 19:17.35 | unum | I set it up |
| 19:17.42 | unum | no ones uses it..... |
| 19:17.45 | unum | but it was easy to set up |
| 19:17.49 | goozbach | mheath_: request tracker |
| 19:17.55 | mheath_ | Ooh, there is even an O'Reilly book. Excellent. |
| 19:17.56 | goozbach | setup the email interface |
| 19:18.02 | emcnabb | RT's ok. the UI kind of sucks though IMO |
| 19:18.02 | unum | I also use trac |
| 19:18.15 | unum | I use trac for bug tracking and rt for trouble tickets |
| 19:18.20 | goozbach | emcnabb: yeah, the UI is kinda cludgy |
| 19:18.28 | unum | that aren't linked to a software project |
| 19:18.44 | goozbach | however if you're support base is less than technical, the email interface makes it worth it. |
| 19:18.48 | emcnabb | goozbach, how's Athens? |
| 19:19.13 | goozbach | "${THING} is broken" -- asalted in the hallway |
| 19:19.30 | goozbach | "send an email to ticket@example.com so I can track it" -- my retort |
| 19:19.47 | mheath_ | I'm trying to find a realistic replacement for a product like CA's Service Desk |
| 19:20.02 | mheath_ | I don't know if anyone here s familiar with CA's...erm...wonderful line of products though |
| 19:20.53 | goozbach | emcnabb: really good, I'm loving my job |
| 19:21.01 | emcnabb | goozbach, sweet |
| 19:21.06 | emcnabb | new house ok? |
| 19:21.08 | goozbach | we're busy launching a series of new products |
| 19:21.20 | emcnabb | I know the feeling :-) |
| 19:21.22 | goozbach | yup! we love our house and our neighborhood |
| 19:21.36 | emcnabb | goozbach, Lisa actually went to UGA for a while |
| 19:21.52 | goozbach | We found out which color we get to paint the nursery today |
| 19:22.18 | emcnabb | goozbach, congrats! |
| 19:22.52 | goozbach | thanks |
| 19:22.59 | goozbach | the color is blue BTW |
| 19:23.12 | emcnabb | :-) |
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| 19:33.09 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.00 | sjansen | You know, thinking about it, Xen is a CA product now. |
| 19:40.12 | fugue88 | sjansen: CA as in Computer Associates? |
| 19:40.25 | sjansen | yup |
| 19:41.41 | fugue88 | <shudder> |
| 19:42.13 | tensai | elg: you had an ipv6 question? |
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| 20:41.26 | tensai | what's the point of using frames if every link reloads the frameset? some people. |
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| 20:46.38 | elg | tensai: thinking of doing ipv6 at home. my goal is basically to have my lan publically addressable. |
| 20:46.42 | elg | or some of my lan anyway |
| 20:46.50 | elg | and to learn ipv6 a la vez |
| 20:47.07 | elg | comcast is doing an ipv6 trial, 6rd and 6to4 |
| 20:47.23 | elg | my router is imaged with tomato, which supports not ipv6 |
| 20:47.41 | Reilithion | yay tomato! I love tomato. |
| 20:47.54 | elg | so i'm trying to decide whether to set up a tunnel from a non-router linux box, or reimage my router with comcast's openwrt-based image that supports 6rd and 6to4 |
| 20:48.06 | elg | (and whether I can even do that from a linux box behind a NAT) |
| 20:49.07 | tensai | if you reimage your router, will it still have to tunnel? |
| 20:49.21 | elg | it'll still be 6rd or 6to4, yes |
| 20:49.28 | elg | they don't yet have native ipv6 |
| 20:49.39 | tensai | hmm. so you're stuck with tunnels either way. |
| 20:49.54 | tensai | my preference is to push ipv6 out as far as possible. I would try to do ipv6 on your router. |
| 20:50.09 | tensai | I've got openwrt running a tunnel to hurrican electric |
| 20:50.18 | elg | 6to4? |
| 20:50.33 | tvc123_ | elg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_rapid_deployment |
| 20:50.35 | elg | or what kind of tunnel? |
| 20:50.48 | elg | tvc123_: yes, 6rd is one of the comcast options |
| 20:51.14 | tensai | elg: I think it's 6in4 |
| 20:51.18 | elg | thing is, tomato is so cute. love me some little graphs |
| 20:51.25 | tvc123_ | elg: it talks about 6to4 in the article |
| 20:51.36 | tvc123_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6to4 |
| 20:52.51 | Migs | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/1455389455/website-user-who-couldnt-find-an-article-emailed |
| 20:53.45 | elg | so if i'm understanding correctly, comcast's 6to4 or 6rd would give me a single ipv6 address for the router, right? there's no automatic public-addressable subnet. hurricane electric gives me a subnet |
| 20:53.55 | tensai | elg: no, apparently it's 6to4 |
| 20:54.37 | tensai | elg: you should get at least one /64. you can use that for a single LAN. |
| 20:54.51 | tensai | HE will give you a /64 and a /48 |
| 20:55.26 | elg | as cool as HE is, it would be more performant to go through my ISP I assume. |
| 20:56.10 | tensai | in theory it should be |
| 21:08.08 | sjansen | elg: I'll be curious to hear how things go for you. |
| 21:08.20 | elg | I'll blog it |
| 21:09.28 | tensai | me too. my company will be rolling ipv6 out in the near future. |
| 21:10.01 | sjansen | Anyone know if XMission has an IPv6 solution for DSL customers? |
| 21:11.17 | tensai | is pashdown awake? he should know. |
| 21:11.57 | tensai | there's a chance he's still sleeping it off after the rally |
| 21:12.13 | elg | rally to restore sleeping in |
| 21:12.45 | goozbach | rally to support railing against the ralliers |
| 21:14.45 | goozbach | then someone else could create the rally to rail against the railiers against the ralliers |
| 21:14.54 | goozbach | and then the meta meme asplodes |
| 21:16.21 | unum | I'm watching the myth busters open acting right now |
| 21:16.48 | unum | you can join the xmission irc server and ask |
| 21:17.59 | eightyeight | elg: have you gotten the "okay" from comcast that you can start using ipv6? |
| 21:18.14 | goozbach | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/1179143307/mom-i-will-clean-the-kitchen-in-a-minute-i-am-on |
| 21:18.27 | elg | 88: http://www.comcast6.net/ |
| 21:18.37 | eightyeight | because i did the survey, and what-not, but haven't seen that they're ready to assign me an ipv6 address yet |
| 21:18.45 | elg | i didn't get notified |
| 21:18.50 | eightyeight | yes. i know. i signed up. then it just went limbo, or something |
| 21:18.55 | elg | but i googled out of curiousity yesterday |
| 21:19.05 | elg | and saw that bit with the new posts in early october |
| 21:19.10 | elg | that look like it'll just work |
| 21:19.21 | elg | would have been nice for them to follow up and email me, but I spect it'll work |
| 21:19.48 | elg | in fact, I'm almost certain. I tried in osx and I did get a 6to4 address. except it was a bad address (for my NAT'd LAN IP) |
| 21:20.17 | eightyeight | hmm. maybe i'll poke around |
| 21:20.31 | eightyeight | i just hadn't gotten the official "blessing" from comcast that i was ready to roll |
| 21:20.33 | elg | sometime this week I'll try 6to4 or maybe 6rd if I upgrade something to ubuntu 10.10 |
| 21:20.49 | elg | (2.6.33 is minumum for 6rd) |
| 21:21.05 | elg | tries never to ask comcast for blessings |
| 21:21.15 | eightyeight | that's good to know. i'm running .32 on most |
| 21:21.53 | elg | i don't know whether 10.10 has 6rd enabled, but 6rd isn't in anything before 2.6.33 except as a backpatch |
| 21:22.00 | elg | anyone here upgraded to ubuntu 10.10 yet? |
| 21:22.51 | sjansen | Pffft, Ubuntu. |
| 21:22.56 | sjansen | Fedora 14 comes out tomorrow! |
| 21:23.05 | eightyeight | fedora, who? |
| 21:25.09 | goozbach | fedora coo! |
| 21:25.12 | goozbach | that's who |
| 21:26.22 | eightyeight | fedora schmora. openbsd 4.8 released. http://www.openbsd.org/48.html |
| 21:27.23 | fugue88 | OpenBSD, schmopenbsd. Gentoo has rolling releases. |
| 21:28.22 | eightyeight | people still use gentoo? |
| 21:29.31 | unum | I'm sure slackware has had a release |
| 21:29.32 | fugue88 | Yes. |
| 21:29.50 | eightyeight | ã |
| 21:30.08 | goozbach | mandriva FTW! |
| 21:30.13 | goozbach | or Caosity! |
| 21:30.15 | goozbach | or LFS |
| 21:30.19 | goozbach | *shudder* |
| 21:30.28 | eightyeight | i think yggdrasil is a bit past due for a release |
| 21:31.20 | tvc123_ | goozbach: I actually purchased a Mandrake CD about 15 years ago |
| 21:31.38 | unum | I purchase a corel one |
| 21:31.44 | unum | priar to ms paying them off |
| 21:32.14 | goozbach | tvc123_: me too |
| 21:32.24 | goozbach | it was my first successfull linux experience |
| 21:32.29 | goozbach | second overall |
| 21:33.52 | sjansen | The 4.8 release music does have bitter lyrics to rally the troops? |
| 21:33.57 | sjansen | I feel cheated. |
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| 22:30.14 | amjith_ | goozbach: are you still using Mandriva? |
| 22:31.14 | goozbach | I ran it for 6months about a year ago |
| 22:31.44 | amjith_ | I switch to other distros only to go running back to Mandriva. |
| 22:32.05 | amjith_ | I can't seem to find a good replacement for the control center in any other distro. |
| 22:33.33 | amjith_ | What are you using now? |
| 22:35.05 | goozbach | fedora |
| 22:35.15 | goozbach | (well actually mostly mac osX) but that's y work box |
| 22:36.44 | amjith_ | I find urpmi to be a lot more intiutive than yum or apt. |
| 22:37.22 | amjith_ | How do you install *nix packages in Mac OS X? I'm still a noob with the ports install. |
| 22:37.56 | goozbach | amjith_: I use both homebrew and macports |
| 22:38.03 | goozbach | brew search <NAME> |
| 22:38.11 | goozbach | sudo brew install <NAME> |
| 22:38.26 | goozbach | or sudo port install <NAME> |
| 22:38.26 | eightyeight | amjith_: how do you find urpmi more intuitive than yum or apt? |
| 22:38.52 | amjith_ | goozbach: does brew take care of dependecy resolution? |
| 22:39.12 | goozbach | amjith_: yup |
| 22:39.33 | goozbach | but both brew and port compile code from source |
| 22:39.38 | goozbach | which can ge time consuming |
| 22:39.40 | amjith_ | eightyeight: I find urpmi more intuitive because when I feed it a stand-alone .rpm file, it'll automatically resolve the dependencies and install what is required. |
| 22:39.55 | goozbach | amjith_: you can do that with yum |
| 22:40.04 | goozbach | yum localinstall foo.rpm |
| 22:40.11 | eightyeight | amjith_: you can do that with apt too |
| 22:40.30 | eightyeight | (although in two commands) |
| 22:40.34 | amjith_ | eightyeight: how do I do it in apt? |
| 22:40.52 | eightyeight | dpkg -i foo.deb && apt-get install -f |
| 22:40.54 | sjansen | goozbach: You were running Mandrake recently? You should have said something. I would have made fun of you. |
| 22:40.57 | amjith_ | goozbach: How do you force to ignore the signature in yum? I run into it all the time. |
| 22:41.33 | sjansen | yum install --nogpgcheck vim-X11 |
| 22:41.53 | goozbach | sjansen: now you know why I didn't tell you |
| 22:42.05 | goozbach | amjith_: why ignore the signature |
| 22:42.07 | goozbach | ? |
| 22:42.18 | goozbach | install the key so you can trust the software you're installing |
| 22:42.38 | eightyeight | doesn't mention anything about arch |
| 22:42.43 | sjansen | Because he's trying to install third party, unsigned software. |
| 22:42.44 | amjith_ | I was trying to install dropbox on my meego installation and it rejected because of unsigned package. |
| 22:43.00 | goozbach | ahh |
| 22:43.13 | goozbach | unsigned, then use sjansen's trick |
| 22:44.19 | amjith_ | sjansen: what is wrong with Mandriva, anyway? |
| 22:44.40 | goozbach | amjith_: you're new here aren't you? |
| 22:44.49 | amjith_ | Yes, yes I am. |
| 22:44.49 | goozbach | nothing is "wrong with mandriva" |
| 22:45.07 | goozbach | sjansen on the other hand... has another set of fingers |
| 22:45.31 | elg | goozbach: that's a hard statement to prove |
| 22:45.50 | elg | the one about mandriva. sjansen's fingers are well documented in the nat'l enquirer |
| 22:46.12 | goozbach | elg: mandriva is pretty pimp |
| 22:46.21 | goozbach | not marketed well, but a nice distro |
| 22:46.29 | elg | pimp is about the most accurate word I can think of for mandriva. |
| 22:46.43 | sjansen | (1) Mandrake is French. |
| 22:46.51 | sjansen | (2) Mandrake is purple. |
| 22:46.51 | elg | maybe "pink" is more accurate |
| 22:46.55 | sjansen | I reset my case. |
| 22:47.05 | elg | purple. yes. more purple than pink |
| 22:47.36 | elg | i think i'd take mandriva over suse any day |
| 22:47.40 | eightyeight | (3) Mandrake doesn't exist |
| 22:48.02 | amjith_ | sjansen: Ouch! Haters gonna hate. |
| 22:48.04 | eightyeight | unless you're referring to the plant |
| 22:48.09 | elg | (4) a mandrake isn't even a penguin? |
| 22:48.43 | goozbach | amjith_: there's a lot of fanboys in here |
| 22:48.47 | goozbach | and anti-fanboys |
| 22:48.56 | elg | i mean there's so many design possibilities for mandrakes |
| 22:49.02 | elg | none of them pink, purple, or pimp |
| 22:49.10 | goozbach | sjansen really loves SuSe but he can't bring himself to admit it. |
| 22:49.22 | eightyeight | elg: no, nat that i'm aware of |
| 22:49.27 | eightyeight | s/nat/not/ |
| 22:49.34 | goozbach | (watch, he'll correct my capitilzation to the proper name) |
| 22:49.45 | eightyeight | afaik, mandrake was called after 'mandrake the magician' |
| 22:50.27 | TimRiker | feeds the trolls. just give in and install Ubuntu. |
| 22:50.53 | elg | http://thequackdoctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/mandrake.jpg |
| 22:51.19 | eightyeight | thought TimRiker was a debian developer |
| 22:51.55 | elg | ubuntu: proof that you don't need a silly two-step staging process. Just cut debian unstable at 6 month intervals and "test" it for awhile, and slap on pretty (but controversially brown) design. |
| 22:52.06 | TimRiker | is a debian developer, but runs ubuntu on desktop systems. |
| 22:52.13 | elg | I'm only half fecitious there. |
| 22:53.02 | TimRiker | yeah, the borwn could go and I'd be happier. that's usually the first thing I change after an install. |
| 22:53.13 | TimRiker | s/borwn/brown/ |
| 22:53.16 | elg | I like the brown |
| 22:53.43 | elg | although the recent mixing of dark purple and brown was ill-advised. |
| 22:53.57 | elg | kinda like asterisk's orange and purple train wreck |
| 22:54.38 | TimRiker | is a fan of 02blue |
| 22:54.57 | amjith_ | I still think that urpmi is intuitive, merely because I don't need the "localinstall" option in yum or the two-step process in apt or am I missing something? |
| 22:55.32 | TimRiker | amjith_, use what you like. :) people will recommend something else no matter what you pick. |
| 22:55.52 | goozbach | ~TimRiker++ |
| 22:56.09 | goozbach | although that's not entirely fair, as he can edit the database directly anyhow |
| 22:56.15 | goozbach | ~karma TimRiker |
| 22:56.15 | ibot | timriker has karma of 21 |
| 22:56.20 | goozbach | see!? |
| 22:56.57 | TimRiker | hehe. I reset myself to zero quite some time ago. |
| 22:57.13 | elg | or he'd be -234 |
| 22:57.21 | goozbach | hah! |
| 22:57.24 | TimRiker | why stop there? |
| 22:57.33 | elg | ~karma ibot |
| 22:57.33 | ibot | ibot has karma of 26 |
| 22:57.44 | TimRiker | ~karma apt |
| 22:57.44 | ibot | apt has karma of 9 |
| 22:57.45 | goozbach | ~karma goozbach |
| 22:57.45 | ibot | goozbach has karma of 5 |
| 22:57.49 | TimRiker | ~karma infobot |
| 22:57.49 | ibot | infobot has karma of 4 |
| 22:57.55 | goozbach | I got some catchin up to do |
| 22:57.57 | TimRiker | looks like ibot is winning. |
| 22:58.13 | elg | ~goozbach+- |
| 22:58.26 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 22:58.48 | goozbach | I'm not familiar with the +- oper |
| 22:58.55 | TimRiker | asterisk is orange and grey, not orange and purple, no? |
| 22:59.19 | goozbach | it's still a bright color which really doensn't look good IMO |
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| 23:02.10 | eightyeight | amjith_: intuition is relative, of course. i was just curious what wasn't intuitive about apt or yum |
| 23:03.34 | eightyeight | to me, it's intuitive that if you have a local .deb, to use dpkg on it. if you wish for package dependencies to be resolved, then apt comes into play |
| 23:03.50 | eightyeight | 1 tool to do its job, and do it well. the standard unix design |
| 23:13.16 | *** part/#utah amjith_ (~amjidanut@70.103.123.8) |
