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| 02:53.40 | bonez2046 | anyone else here aside from elg, who bakes? |
| 02:54.56 | fugue88 | raises hand |
| 02:55.27 | fugue88 | But I also reboot occasionally. brb |
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| 03:02.31 | eightyeight | i need to reboot. i just hate losing my connection ã |
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| 03:43.06 | bonez2046 | welcome back fugue88 !! I asked re baking because I can't figure out how to get higher rise in my torpedos or rounds.. when baking bread.. got any suggestions? |
| 03:45.00 | fugue88 | bonez2046: Ah, no, I'm not too much into bread. Cookies, that's where it's at, man! :D |
| 03:45.19 | bonez2046 | ah, I love to bake great cookies too.. |
| 03:46.37 | fugue88 | My wife bakes some plain wheat loafs. We had a hole in the center of the loaves, with texture a little crumbly around the hole. |
| 03:47.08 | fugue88 | She let the dough rise longer, I think, and that not only prevented the hole, but made the loaf rise higher in the oven too. |
| 03:47.33 | bonez2046 | ah, that's good then |
| 03:47.39 | fugue88 | But if your breads already seem gluteny enough, must be something else going on. |
| 03:48.00 | bonez2046 | I am working on sourdough.. trying to get some bread that's even better than what Harmons offers here. in artisan bread.. |
| 03:48.13 | fugue88 | You're making me drool. |
| 03:48.19 | bonez2046 | i think it's my proofing pans or my couche.. need better equipment.. |
| 03:48.43 | fugue88 | I tried sourdough twice, and also had trouble with the loft. |
| 03:48.56 | bonez2046 | maybe that's it, my loft is problematic |
| 03:50.35 | fugue88 | bonez2046: Good luck. If you get discouraged, bake some cookies. ;) |
| 03:51.03 | bonez2046 | of course |
| 03:51.22 | bonez2046 | I bake them all with NUTS, that way some of my boys won't eat any..;0 |
| 03:51.40 | bonez2046 | my wife has to bake the nut-less cookies the boys want them that way |
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| 13:51.15 | sontek | goozbach: you are using url_shorten.rb and not shortenurl.py? :P |
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| 13:53.59 | sontek | goozbach: shortenurl.py used to be better because it supported async callbacks instead of blocking while it made the shorten request but it looks like url_shorten.rb has updated to support that as well now |
| 14:05.06 | sontek | Nafai: plugins I use are buffers.bl, highmon.pl, egrep.py, and shortenurl.py |
| 14:05.19 | sontek | buffers.pl* |
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| 14:14.51 | goozbach | sontek: because I extened url_shorten.rb to support my own private yourls install |
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| 15:49.21 | mrpull | identify word*pass |
| 15:49.37 | mrpull | and sh!t ... that is why i use a throwaway password |
| 15:49.56 | mrpull | stupid pidgeon stole my focus |
| 15:55.22 | goozbach | I blam canada |
| 15:55.28 | goozbach | ~blame mrpull |
| 15:55.28 | ibot | ACTION blames mrpull (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 15:55.36 | mrpull | nice work |
| 15:55.48 | fugue88 | Nah, blame GUIs. They're obviously a major step backward. |
| 15:55.55 | elg | you still use wordstar? |
| 15:56.06 | mrpull | heheheh. it's a solid package. |
| 15:56.21 | mrpull | i changed it back to pass*word |
| 15:56.24 | mrpull | that'll fool them |
| 15:56.27 | goozbach | wordstar? |
| 15:56.30 | goozbach | googles |
| 15:56.57 | mrpull | wordstar predates wordperfect |
| 15:56.59 | mrpull | (i think) |
| 15:57.32 | elg | i'm not sure if it predates or is just contemporary |
| 15:57.41 | elg | but it's an old dos-era word processor |
| 15:58.11 | goozbach | nice! I think I've seen it before |
| 15:58.40 | mrpull | the internets claim wordperfect's 1.0 was in 1980 |
| 15:58.48 | mrpull | wordstar's in 1978 |
| 15:59.01 | mrpull | of course, wordstar was originally for CP/M |
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| 15:59.54 | mrpull | and the wiki's say that WP was originally written for Data General mini's |
| 16:00.04 | mrpull | and later to just about every platform of the day |
| 16:01.05 | goozbach | wordperfect was a BYU project IIRC |
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| 16:01.48 | mrpull | goozbach: you do remember correctly |
| 16:02.45 | unum | now you got me thinking about my novel office 3.1 problem |
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| 16:18.41 | elg | wordperfect wasn't exactly a BYU project. it was started by a BYU prof and master student |
| 16:18.56 | elg | for a military contract, hill afb I think |
| 16:19.24 | elg | but I don't *think* it was under a BYU umbrella |
| 16:19.29 | Migs | is WordPerfect still around? |
| 16:19.38 | elg | corel still owns it and I think still sells it |
| 16:23.15 | unum | it's mostly used in the law profession I think |
| 16:23.23 | unum | our clients still use it |
| 16:23.33 | unum | and my coworkers insist on using a 15 year old version |
| 16:23.38 | unum | man now I'm really upset |
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| 16:32.20 | mindjuju1 | unum, is 15yr old version blue screen with white text? |
| 16:32.27 | mindjuju1 | remembers that version |
| 16:34.26 | unum | 5.1 I think is the famous version |
| 16:34.36 | unum | but 6.1 includes that version |
| 16:34.48 | unum | they actually use the text editor ed.exe |
| 16:34.54 | unum | which they used to call the dos text editor |
| 16:35.00 | unum | which of course it is not |
| 16:42.57 | mindjuju1 | so which is more dangerous, using a third party repo to get PHP 5.2x or using the centos dev repos to get to php 5.2x? |
| 16:42.59 | tensai | I bought a copy of wordperfect office for linux from the bargain bin at staples for $2. |
| 16:43.20 | tensai | was worth it for the stuffed tux doll inside |
| 16:44.32 | levi | unum: Do you mean ed or edlin? I know edlin came with DOS. |
| 16:44.54 | levi | It's pretty similar to the unix ed. |
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| 16:50.45 | unum | levi: it's a program that shipped with novel office 3.1 |
| 16:50.57 | unum | I had never heard of it before I started here |
| 17:01.31 | sontek | goozbach: hmm, I guess thats valid even though the python implementation is *soooo* much better ;) |
| 17:01.41 | sontek | and I'm not bias at all! |
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| 18:19.44 | levi | So far, one of the coolest things about getting an Android phone has been the discovery that Amazon MP3 gives away a free song every day. |
| 18:19.53 | Nafai | Yeah :) |
| 18:19.57 | Nafai | levi: which phone do you have? |
| 18:20.03 | levi | Samsung Vibrant |
| 18:21.15 | levi | And whoever selects the free songs seems to musical sensibilities that overlap with mine. |
| 18:22.17 | Nafai | I'll probably get a Vibrant as soon as I get a job |
| 18:22.23 | Nafai | My G1 is getting old |
| 18:22.49 | levi | One of the nice things about it is that it's not locked, unlike the G2. |
| 18:22.59 | Nafai | nice |
| 18:23.10 | Nafai | mine phone is unlocked and rooted :) |
| 18:23.13 | Nafai | s/mine/my/ |
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| 18:23.58 | levi | Although the G2 has some advantages, like it already runs Android 2.2, has a hardware keyboard (may or may not be an advantage, really) and fully supports HSPA+. |
| 18:24.57 | levi | I'm guessing 2.2 will come for the Vibrant before the end of the year, though, and the latest update to 2.1 they just pushed out fixed the only real issues I had with it. |
| 18:26.11 | goozbach | I love my g1 |
| 18:26.18 | goozbach | but I'mma upgrading soon |
| 18:27.56 | Nafai | Yeah, I cracked my screen a month or so ago, so it's quickly becoming time for a new phone |
| 18:29.26 | levi | I was using a bottom-of-the-line phone that was probably 7 or so years old. The battery was finally dying. It bulged a bit and everything. So I was thinking about getting a new phone, dragged my wife to the T-Mobile store to show her what I was looking at, and she insisted on getting Vibrants for us. |
| 18:29.46 | Nafai | nice for the wife to insist that |
| 18:29.47 | levi | Naturally, I didn't put up too much resistance to the idea. |
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| 18:33.48 | goozbach | so what's the sucessor to the Nokia n900? |
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| 18:35.07 | goozbach | and should I get one |
| 18:35.33 | levi | What is it about the n900 that makes it work for you? |
| 18:36.36 | goozbach | not sure |
| 18:36.40 | levi | The latest crop of Android phones have similar hardware specs. |
| 18:36.52 | goozbach | I'm thinking about a stupid phone w/ bluetooth dun |
| 18:36.56 | goozbach | and getting a tablet |
| 18:37.01 | goozbach | tablet like device |
| 18:37.35 | levi | The Samsung Epic 4G has a screen that's the same resolution and size, also has the slide-out keyboard, etc. |
| 18:39.04 | levi | I played with my mom's iPad while we visited them a couple of months ago. It's pretty nice, and I would probably do all my web browsing on it if I had one, but realistically my Android phone and a laptop cover all my computing needs pretty well. |
| 18:45.40 | levi | Speaking of which, I just noticed that Monoprice has a deal today on USB Male A to Micro Male 3ft cables for half a buck each. |
| 18:46.24 | levi | If you get a new phone, it will likely use one of thse for charging and sync. |
| 18:47.08 | levi | It's even got gold-plated connectors and a ferrite core! |
| 18:53.14 | levi | Heh, President Obama to appear on Mythbusters. |
| 18:55.49 | TimRiker | to bust the myth that he was not born in the US? |
| 18:56.00 | goozbach | hah! |
| 18:56.09 | goozbach | that was my first thought |
| 18:58.06 | TimRiker | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-20019889-52.html - darn. some irrelevant thing with mirrors and fire. Didn't they already cover that myth? |
| 18:59.21 | TimRiker | yeah... here's the old episode: http://web.mit.edu/2.009/www/experiments/deathray/10_Mythbusters.html |
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| 19:13.58 | fozzmoo | hopes Obama gets to play Buster for an episode. |
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| 19:15.15 | Nafai | fozzmoo: figures you would say that :) |
| 19:16.34 | Gate | nah, he's like all politicians. Spends so long trying to convince people of things that aren't true he doesn't have time to dispell other people's myths. |
| 19:16.47 | Nafai | Gate: heh :) |
| 19:27.42 | sjansen | That decides it. Unless the Republicans get someone on Deadliest Catch, I'm voting a straight Democratic ticket for the rest of my life. |
| 19:38.21 | levi | Heh, Muse did a cover of Feelin' Good. |
| 19:38.58 | goozbach | and it's pretty awesome |
| 19:39.10 | levi | Indeed. |
| 19:40.09 | levi | Pandora just played it for me. |
| 19:40.35 | goozbach | muse is pretty awesome |
| 19:40.49 | levi | And segued to Blur - Song 2. Nice. |
| 19:41.22 | goozbach | nice |
| 19:43.13 | levi | And then to another Damon Albarn project, a Gorillaz song. This is almost like a real DJ. ;) |
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| 19:51.33 | Gate | Maybe if pandora gets a fairy godmother it can be a real DJ |
| 19:51.55 | JoshH | all i know of muse is that one song that's on guitar hero |
| 19:52.00 | JoshH | it's quite tough on expert |
| 20:01.54 | Lars-UT_ | The fruits of single-party government in Utah http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/50433700-82/campaign-political-state-government.html.csp |
| 20:05.22 | Lars-UT | wonders if Pandora introduced him to Phutureprimitive |
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| 22:32.44 | levi | I have in front of me the entire set of IEC 61937 specifications. |
| 22:33.53 | Nafai | I have no clue what those are :) |
| 22:34.17 | levi | They're the definition of how non-linear PCM audio is passed over an IEC 60958-specified medium. :) |
| 22:34.45 | tensai | well, duh! |
| 22:35.38 | levi | And IEC 60958 is the standard that describes how linear PCM audio goes over SPDIF, along with a similar connection scheme used in pro audio. |
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| 22:36.57 | levi | Incidentally, you can also use IEC 61883 as a transport for IEC 60958-encoded audio. |
| 22:37.31 | levi | And IEC 61883 is one of the formats that IEEE 1722 uses for audio/video transport. |
| 22:37.45 | levi | Which gives us a nice little stack of protocols! |
| 22:40.40 | levi | I also know way more than I ever wanted to about how HDMI (and DVI) work. |
| 22:41.08 | Nafai | better you than me :) |
| 22:42.09 | levi | It's actually pretty interesting. |
| 22:42.28 | levi | It's amazing how much technological baggage is carried forward from analog to digital video. |
| 22:43.49 | Nafai | I can imagine |
| 22:43.49 | fugue88 | levi: That's not baggage! PCM gives me the "airiness" of vacuum tubes in this digitial age! :P |
| 22:44.52 | fugue88 | Who cares about fidelity anyway. I'd rather have a good, solid noise floor sitting beneath my tracks, like a good foundation. |
| 22:46.12 | fugue88 | goes back to listening to his vinyl, with an SNR of about 3. |
| 22:49.17 | fugue88 | btw, I use Monster Cables so that my vinyl scratches and amp hiss come through crystal clear. |
| 22:49.26 | fugue88 | wonders if he can lay this on any thicker... |
| 22:49.40 | levi | Bah, Monster Cables are cheap garbage! |
| 22:51.22 | fugue88 | levi: Wait, you mean I could spend *more*? |
| 22:51.26 | levi | You need some Pear cables, at least. |
| 22:54.20 | Lars-UT | likes Cure Cover by Ivy of "Let's Go to Bed" |
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| 22:58.19 | fugue88 | Wow. Just upgraded a system's kernel to 2.6.33, and noticed that it complains about my h/w not supporting stuff, like new CPUs' NX bits. |
| 22:58.34 | fugue88 | I guess I should upgrade my system sometime in the next few years. |
| 22:58.47 | fugue88 | :) |
| 22:59.08 | levi | fugue88: If you were really serious, you'd be using something like Audioquest Everest cables. |
| 22:59.37 | fugue88 | Apparently I haven't been serious enough, but I'm gonna be. |
| 23:00.45 | levi | You have no idea how 'not serious' you've been, apparently, if you think Monster Cables are the height of expensive gear. ;) |
| 23:03.41 | fugue88 | So now I have some serious talk about hardware. I'm almost completely out of the loop when it comes to CPUs (the system I'm typing on, that Linux complains about, was built around 2002). I thought Pentium was dead, replaced by Core and then i3/5/9. But I see lot's of new stuff coming out with Pentiums. |
| 23:04.22 | fugue88 | What's the skinny? How can I tell I'm not getting some stripped down version of a chip that will perform horribly? |
| 23:04.36 | levi | What are you talking about that's branded Pentium? |
| 23:04.58 | fugue88 | I see a bunch of laptops, new, on newegg and amazon, for example. |
| 23:05.47 | fugue88 | Supposedly new, anyway. "Not previously owned" at least. |
| 23:07.26 | levi | I guess Pentium is now their low-end product brand name. |
| 23:08.57 | fugue88 | Ah, Wikipedia explains the pentium fiasco pretty well.. |
| 23:09.16 | Lars-UT | levi: What's your laptop budget? |
| 23:09.35 | levi | I don't have a laptop budget. |
| 23:09.47 | fugue88 | :D |
| 23:09.54 | Lars-UT | just wanting to get up to speed on procs then? |
| 23:09.58 | unum | I need a desktop budget.... |
| 23:10.02 | fugue88 | Lars-UT: I know I am, |
| 23:10.05 | levi | fugue88 was asking about the Pentium brand name. |
| 23:10.32 | Lars-UT | oops. |
| 23:11.03 | fugue88 | Lars-UT: I'm not "actively" in the market, just trying to make heads and tails of it. I might buy sometime in the next 6 months though. |
| 23:11.17 | fugue88 | Anticipated budget might be <1000 though. |
| 23:11.21 | fugue88 | Say, 600-700. |
| 23:11.25 | unum | well in the next six months it'll all be different |
| 23:11.27 | fugue88 | I'm cheap on h/w, I know. |
| 23:11.29 | Lars-UT | I like August & post-Christmas deals. |
| 23:11.33 | fugue88 | unum: Granted. |
| 23:11.43 | fugue88 | Post-Christmas, good idea. |
| 23:12.26 | fugue88 | unum: Nevertheless, I doubt Intel and AMD are going to completely revamp their marketing^W product lines in that time. |
| 23:13.08 | fugue88 | But I guess they've done that before. |
| 23:13.33 | unum | every six months there will be new chips on the market |
| 23:13.40 | unum | but ya, not usually a whole new line |
| 23:14.08 | unum | you should probably just look at $1000 models, they'll be $600 models in six months ;) |
| 23:14.18 | fugue88 | heh |
| 23:15.30 | unum | I need a real computer |
| 23:15.36 | unum | I have some contract work to do |
| 23:15.51 | unum | of course I'm spoiled at work |
| 23:15.59 | unum | 3 computers and four monitors |
| 23:16.14 | unum | I feel confined on anything else now.... |
| 23:18.21 | Lars-UT | fugue88: Look on page 8 of this month's CPU mag for a nice pricing grid on procs. http://www.computerpoweruser.com/DigitalEditions/Default.aspx |
| 23:18.57 | Lars-UT | fugue88: left-click to zoom-in |
| 23:20.38 | fugue88 | Lars-UT: Wow, that page doesn't like my browser. |
| 23:21.06 | Lars-UT | dang - that's what I get for testing on Chrome in Windows. Just a sec. |
| 23:23.01 | Lars-UT | fugue88: http://imagebin.ca/view/tZTwGiU.html |
| 23:24.11 | fugue88 | I feel like the Internet just took a step backwards. |
| 23:24.16 | Lars-UT | The new CPU website is not very accessible. |
| 23:24.25 | Lars-UT | Shiny, though! |
| 23:24.32 | fugue88 | And flikery. |
| 23:24.39 | fugue88 | s/k/ck/ |
| 23:25.28 | Lars-UT | I had to reference a google cache version of a Logo(as in turtle) article from their previous site this morning. fail. |
| 23:26.07 | *** join/#utah jnbek (~jnbek@unaffiliated/jnbek) |
| 23:29.04 | Lars-UT | ~emulate MS Bitters |
| 23:29.04 | ibot | Everything was so nice and peaceful, 'til one day it all went horribly wrong! |