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| 15:35.56 | sjansen | ~celebrate |
| 15:35.56 | ibot | ACTION lights off 3 tons of fireworks |
| 15:36.06 | sjansen | ~party |
| 15:36.07 | ibot | Woohoo! Bot on the loose! |
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| 16:50.20 | sjansen | http://i.imgur.com/RAyNr.jpg |
| 17:01.05 | goozbach | and Nafai if WoW isn't your bag, minecraft is pretty good |
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| 20:00.45 | mindjuju | hey, in ubuntu i can apt-get purge to remove everything about an install, is there a similar function in centos? |
| 20:00.59 | mindjuju | i'm not seeing it in yum |
| 20:03.16 | rsimpkins | mindjuju: Do you mean something like yum clean all? |
| 20:03.53 | mindjuju | oh, is that how you do it? i tried yum clean mysql and it slapped me |
| 20:04.01 | rsimpkins | mindjuju: Oh, you mean get rid of all configs, etc? |
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| 20:04.14 | mindjuju | yup, i want mysql to be dead to centos |
| 20:04.18 | mindjuju | like all the way |
| 20:04.22 | mindjuju | gone, byebye |
| 20:04.31 | rsimpkins | mindjuju: Yes, I do believe things get left behind. I don't know how to change that behavior. |
| 20:04.39 | mindjuju | curious |
| 20:06.00 | mindjuju | i've got this weird thing going on where i try to install mysql and it thinks i'm joking cause it pretends to install, but there is nothing but the my.cnf and a handful of other files |
| 20:06.13 | mindjuju | no mysql.sock |
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| 20:06.26 | rsimpkins | mindjuju: http://serverfault.com/questions/41502/yum-equivalent-of-apt-get-purge << that is the best google tells me. |
| 20:06.26 | mindjuju | i don't think even the daemon is in init.d |
| 20:06.35 | mindjuju | yeah, i saw that |
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| 20:06.45 | mindjuju | where the guy has some code |
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| 20:06.51 | mindjuju | i thought for sure there was soemthing better |
| 20:07.05 | mindjuju | like a built in command |
| 20:07.41 | rsimpkins | mindjuju: So the RPM goes in cleanly, but then the files listed in the RPM don't actually get put in place? |
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| 20:09.28 | rsimpkins | mindjuju: You're installing mysql-server, right? |
| 20:09.42 | mindjuju | yup,mysql-server mysql php-mysql |
| 20:09.52 | sjansen | No mysql.sock, doesn't that just mean mysql hasn't been started yet? |
| 20:10.03 | rsimpkins | sjansen: That's what I thought. |
| 20:10.32 | mindjuju | weird, this time on the install the daemon is there, when i say /etc/init.d/mysqld start, it gives me a page long error |
| 20:10.37 | mindjuju | i'll have to read the log and see what up |
| 20:10.54 | mindjuju | Installation of system tables failed! Examine the logs in |
| 20:10.54 | mindjuju | /var/lib/mysql for more information. |
| 20:11.03 | mindjuju | <-- doesn't look good! |
| 20:11.24 | rsimpkins | Yeah, sounds like something went terribly wrong. |
| 20:12.16 | mindjuju | so rsimpkins, if you've got a moment longer, I have a related question, though not directly |
| 20:12.32 | rsimpkins | mindjuju: If it is quick... fire. (got a meeting soon) |
| 20:12.43 | mindjuju | see, I needed to have a particular version of PHP, so i loaded a new repo to get this particular version of PHP |
| 20:12.56 | mindjuju | it looks like he's got a mysql package there |
| 20:13.00 | rsimpkins | ahh the joys of multi-repo management. |
| 20:13.04 | sjansen | doesn't like where this is going... |
| 20:13.06 | mindjuju | i should blast everything mysql |
| 20:13.16 | mindjuju | and remove the repo and try to install that way, yes? |
| 20:13.16 | rsimpkins | exclude=package* is your friend. |
| 20:13.32 | mindjuju | ah, k, i'll look up more on exclude=package* |
| 20:13.33 | mindjuju | thx! |
| 20:13.50 | rsimpkins | You can also use the yum plugin for repo priorities. |
| 20:14.15 | rsimpkins | When using multiple repos, I highly recommend using the priorities plugin and making base be highest priority. |
| 20:14.31 | mindjuju | i saw something about it, i should have read closer |
| 20:14.34 | mindjuju | learning |
| 20:14.39 | rsimpkins | Dont' want some idiot on some random repo installing bad crap on your system. |
| 20:15.05 | rsimpkins | gotta run, have fun. :) |
| 20:15.09 | mindjuju | cya thx! |
| 20:15.41 | sjansen | Generally, I avoid using anything but default repo + epel + my own private repo. |
| 20:16.40 | sjansen | The benefit of letting someone else build packages is usually erased six months later when I'm forced to ask "oh crap, what just happened to my system?" |
| 20:17.26 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 20:17.44 | mindjuju | hey, that reminds me, when is the next PLUG meet? |
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| 22:07.30 | rsimpkins | mindjuju: Considering 3 people came to the last one, I dunno. |
| 22:09.05 | rsimpkins | I felt it was an uncomfortable position to be in... asking someone to put in the work to build a great presentation only to have less than five people come. It has happened several times. |
| 22:22.03 | mindjuju | that sux! |
| 22:22.27 | mindjuju | wednesdays just barely became avialble for me |
| 22:27.03 | rsimpkins | mindjuju: I am thinking of more just social type of meetings with mini-presentations... I dunno. trying to be creative. |
| 22:27.41 | mindjuju | i can empathize, uphpu was seeing dip in attendance, was hard to make it fresh and inviting |
| 22:27.51 | rsimpkins | mindjuju: So, do a 5-20 minute presentation with a social thing after. That way if only 4 people come no one feels they built 50 minutes of presentation material for nothing. |
| 22:28.35 | mindjuju | yeah, the thing that kept the active members coming, was prolly the uphpu after hours party |
| 22:28.49 | mindjuju | we'd stay outside of applebees until way past 12a just talkin |
| 22:29.39 | rsimpkins | mindjuju: I'd love to hear some ideas. No matter what people SAY on the list, what they are DOING is totally different. |
| 22:29.43 | tvc123 | rsimpkins: I know the Logan Ruby group just meets for lunch once a month ... seems to work out well |
| 22:30.09 | rsimpkins | tvc123: I'm actually working on a sponsor for food. |
| 22:30.27 | rsimpkins | tvc123: We cater 3 or 4 meals a week here, so we have the staff and connections. Just no budget. |
| 22:30.30 | tvc123 | rsimpkins: that would be nice ... we usually just go Dutch |
| 22:30.47 | tvc123 | pick a location ... sometimes people bring bag lunches |
| 22:30.49 | rsimpkins | tvc123: I think I can get some budget. Free is always the best. ;-) |
| 22:31.14 | tvc123 | :) |
| 22:31.35 | mindjuju | @rsimpkins, i hear ya bro |
| 22:31.45 | mindjuju | uphpu was using about $30 a month |
| 22:31.51 | mindjuju | self-funded |
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| 22:33.08 | rsimpkins | mindjuju: Do you know who is in charge of the UPHPU? |
| 22:33.22 | mindjuju | i spun it off to macnewbold back in June |
| 22:33.30 | mindjuju | after being pres for 3+ yrs |
| 22:33.37 | rsimpkins | mindjuju: Where do they have meetings now? |
| 22:33.39 | mindjuju | maybe 4? i don't remember |
| 22:33.49 | mindjuju | at Code Greene in SLC |
| 22:33.58 | macnewbold | whowhatwhat? |
| 22:34.05 | macnewbold | oh, hi mindjuju |
| 22:34.08 | macnewbold | hi rsimpkins |
| 22:34.28 | rsimpkins | macnewbold: Hey. :) |
| 22:34.28 | mindjuju | sup macnewbold, el jefe |
| 22:34.45 | mindjuju | is that with 2 f's ? |
| 22:34.48 | rsimpkins | macnewbold: There is a 'movement' inside adobe that would like to see if we can help out the UPHPU group some how. |
| 22:34.54 | macnewbold | awesome |
| 22:34.58 | rsimpkins | macnewbold: maybe with a presentation, meeting space, something. |
| 22:35.05 | mindjuju | i saw their signs on the freeway |
| 22:35.18 | rsimpkins | Still kind of preliminary, but I was asked to talk to some UPHPU folks. |
| 22:35.28 | mindjuju | @rsimpins, we did have a good thing going with adobe |
| 22:35.35 | mindjuju | but we got dogged by ryan stewart this last meet |
| 22:35.42 | mindjuju | canceled DAY OF the meeting |
| 22:35.53 | mindjuju | it was the first month mac took over |
| 22:36.04 | macnewbold | adobe/omniture? where are the offices? |
| 22:36.21 | rsimpkins | macnewbold: In orem right now. We are building a new one by Cabellas in Lehi. |
| 22:36.31 | macnewbold | we might be able to do the meeting thing at a lehi location perhaps |
| 22:37.13 | rsimpkins | macnewbold: Well, needless to say I represent the 'official' stance of the company in relation to Utah open source groups (in what limited capacity I have). |
| 22:37.41 | rsimpkins | I'm part of a group that is helping to establish an official open source community department in the company. |
| 22:38.10 | rsimpkins | Right now, the people involved are just trying to see what assets we've got. |
| 22:38.59 | rsimpkins | Rather preliminary right now, but if you have any suggestions I'd love to hear them. |
| 22:39.34 | rsimpkins | macnewbold: So you were going to have Ryan come and present, and he bailed on ya? |
| 22:39.58 | mindjuju | totally |
| 22:40.25 | mindjuju | it's mac's crew now, but chapped me a bit; was counting on him |
| 22:40.37 | macnewbold | yeah, it was lame |
| 22:40.37 | rsimpkins | mindjuju: I'll pass that along. |
| 22:40.48 | rsimpkins | How many members in the UPHPU? |
| 22:40.49 | macnewbold | he's like "oh, that's my wife's birthday...I thought we were doing next month? |
| 22:40.57 | macnewbold | rsimpkins: usually attendance is 15-30 |
| 22:41.06 | macnewbold | members on the mailing list is 150 i think though |
| 22:41.07 | mindjuju | tell him it'll cost him several bags of swag and UTOSC sponsorship to get back in good graces |
| 22:41.11 | macnewbold | wps runs that thouhg |
| 22:41.23 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:41.24 | macnewbold | yeah, and sponsoring applebees for everyone... |
| 22:41.53 | macnewbold | and by "several bags of swag" mindjuju means that he's got to give away several CS4 or CS5 licenses |
| 22:42.00 | rsimpkins | lol. :) hehe |
| 22:42.04 | rsimpkins | I'll see what I can do. |
| 22:42.13 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:42.31 | mindjuju | actually, adobe has some great swag. i got some of their flash shirts, very nice |
| 22:42.49 | rsimpkins | How many members on the UPHPU mailing list or whatever? |
| 22:42.58 | mindjuju | hundreds on mailing |
| 22:43.02 | rsimpkins | Like, how many people total (so i can pass it along) |
| 22:43.08 | rsimpkins | 400? 300? |
| 22:43.13 | macnewbold | total involved in uphpu is probably 200-300 |
| 22:43.14 | macnewbold | right now |
| 22:43.22 | macnewbold | many are mail list lurkers |
| 22:43.25 | rsimpkins | Cool. I'll tell them 250 and hope that is close. |
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| 22:43.40 | lahwran | you are being talked about |
| 22:43.43 | lahwran | pokes Jayce^ |
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| 22:44.05 | lahwran | smcquay: hahaha you too? |
| 22:44.06 | macnewbold | active participants in meetings, list, and on web site is probably more like 75ish i'd guess |
| 22:44.14 | lahwran | macnewbold: you at utosc? |
| 22:44.20 | lahwran | heck, is anyone? |
| 22:44.26 | mindjuju | concurs with macnewbold |
| 22:44.50 | macnewbold | lahwran: not yet |
| 22:44.53 | lahwran | ah |
| 22:44.55 | macnewbold | going to be there tomorrow and sat tho |
| 22:45.00 | macnewbold | had to work today |
| 22:45.09 | macnewbold | have to prepare my talk tonight |
| 22:45.13 | macnewbold | and give it tomorrow at 1:30 |
| 22:45.16 | Heartsbane | Most annoying ringtone ever |
| 22:45.17 | wps | rsimpkins: I'm the chairman/founderâ¦Â Mac is the current president |
| 22:45.22 | lahwran | macnewbold: #utah was just mentioned in the introduction of the keynote by jalbretsen |
| 22:45.25 | lahwran | jalbretsen: whoops .. |
| 22:45.29 | lahwran | Jayce^, that is |
| 22:45.36 | goozbach | too damn many ringtones |
| 22:45.46 | goozbach | jsmith!!!! |
| 22:45.51 | goozbach | yay! |
| 22:45.57 | wps | we have 500+ members on the site |
| 22:45.59 | lahwran | ~jsmith++ |
| 22:46.05 | lahwran | ~karma jsmith |
| 22:46.05 | ibot | jsmith has karma of 17 |
| 22:46.11 | wps | 223 on the general mailing list |
| 22:46.15 | Heartsbane | goozbach: my nagios alert is Strong Bad's the system is down but atleast I turned the volume to the lowest setting |
| 22:46.17 | rsimpkins | macnewbold, wps - if you guys feel so inclined, feel free to vent about your experience with Adobe and e-mail me - rsimpkin at adobe.com |
| 22:46.25 | wps | 318 on the jobs announcement list |
| 22:46.32 | macnewbold | yeah, i wished i could be at jsmiths' keynote righ tnow |
| 22:47.05 | macnewbold | rsimpkins: perhaps those updates help? Thanks, wps. |
| 22:47.15 | Heartsbane | goozbach: remind Jayce^ his mic is still on |
| 22:47.43 | jalbretsen | I'm the keynote speaker? |
| 22:47.47 | wps | rsimpkins: I scrolled back and skimmed but must have missed something |
| 22:47.52 | wps | vent our frustratations with Adobe? |
| 22:48.24 | macnewbold | he was looking for numbers, on how big uphpu is, so he can pass it upstream |
| 22:48.28 | macnewbold | they want to help and such |
| 22:48.35 | jalbretsen | actually, I am the keynote speaker for the class I'm teaching in 45 minutes. Come and here about the physics of rotational motion, rotational kinetic energy, and torque |
| 22:48.45 | rsimpkins | wps: With Ryan Stewart bailing the day of the presentation. |
| 22:48.52 | jalbretsen | oh, and moments of inertia |
| 22:48.55 | macnewbold | yeah, that stunk |
| 22:48.59 | wps | ahh! |
| 22:49.05 | wps | because he is an Adobe employee |
| 22:49.07 | wps | got it |
| 22:49.10 | wps | yeah, that was lame |
| 22:49.15 | rsimpkins | I can pass those comments along 'officially' |
| 22:49.48 | lahwran | jalbretsen: miscomplete |
| 22:49.59 | wps | in regards to meetings, I think that a lot of people would like to come to meetings, but they simply don't have timeâ¦Â too many other things are more important |
| 22:50.14 | jalbretsen | I figured, but it means I get to pick on macnewbold for a minute ;) |
| 22:50.33 | lahwran | xD |
| 22:50.51 | macnewbold | ~lart jalbretsen |
| 22:50.51 | ibot | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at jalbretsen |
| 22:51.11 | jalbretsen | although I don't know if I should be offended or happy to be mixed up with Jayce^ |
| 22:51.33 | macnewbold | i like inertia and rotational kinetic energy |
| 22:51.39 | macnewbold | torque not so much |
| 22:53.35 | jalbretsen | now, I would definitely be offended if you mixed me up with sjansen |
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| 22:53.48 | lahwran | whacks sjansen over the head |
| 22:53.56 | lahwran | ~karma sjansen |
| 22:53.56 | ibot | sjansen has karma of 14 |
| 22:53.59 | lahwran | O.O |
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| 22:54.51 | Heartsbane | Feh |
| 22:55.35 | lahwran | Heartsbane: good idea |
| 22:56.53 | goozbach | Heartsbane: feh what? |
| 22:57.15 | Heartsbane | feh 2 sjansen's karma |
| 22:57.28 | lahwran | ~karma Heartsbane |
| 22:57.28 | ibot | heartsbane has karma of 1 |
| 22:57.32 | lahwran | ! |
| 22:57.36 | lahwran | ~Heartsbane++ |
| 23:04.21 | goozbach | ~karma goozbach |
| 23:04.21 | ibot | goozbach has karma of 5 |
| 23:04.25 | goozbach | yay! |
| 23:06.17 | goozbach | these chairs have tables!!!! |
| 23:07.20 | Heartsbane | lies |
| 23:11.35 | goozbach | Heartsbane: look! |
| 23:16.46 | lahwran | goozbach: you're not at the keynote, are you? |
| 23:20.14 | goozbach | lahwran: frontrow center |
| 23:20.32 | lahwran | oh hi |
| 23:20.42 | lahwran | I'l third row left, and waving at you goozbach |
| 23:21.29 | lahwran | goozbach: your left, not the presenteers |
| 23:21.34 | lahwran | s/ee/e/ |
| 23:22.31 | goozbach | missed the wave |
| 23:22.37 | goozbach | but hi |
| 23:22.51 | lahwran | goozbach: but ... but ... I was waving when you looked .. |
| 23:30.53 | goozbach | is going crazy |
| 23:31.10 | lahwran | goozbach: stop going crazy, it's unbecoming of you |
| 23:33.00 | goozbach | pulls his hair out |
| 23:33.24 | lahwran | goozbach: I'm waving again |
| 23:34.00 | lahwran | goozbach: still waving |
| 23:34.07 | lahwran | [pause to clap] |
| 23:34.10 | lahwran | waving again |
| 23:34.49 | lahwran | goozbach: sheesh. stopped waving |
| 23:38.12 | smcquay | brb |
| 23:38.27 | smcquay | meant to type in other window ... |
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