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| 19:01.45 | Migs | http://weburbanist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Geek-HTML-Tattoos.gif |
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| 19:07.38 | findlay | does anybody know the format of /proc/interrupts? |
| 19:13.22 | sjansen | Web development makes me want to curl up and cry. |
| 19:13.32 | unum | me too |
| 19:13.48 | fugue88 | findlay: Here's a snippet of mine: |
| 19:13.48 | fugue88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.48 | fugue88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.48 | fugue88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.08 | fugue88 | It says CPU0 has received 40630 irq1s, and CPU1 30930 of the same. |
| 19:14.12 | findlay | fugue88: what do the "CPU0" and "CPU1" numbers mean? |
| 19:14.27 | findlay | hm |
| 19:14.38 | findlay | how many irqs can you have? |
| 19:14.47 | fugue88 | Uh, |
| 19:14.53 | fugue88 | that's tricky. |
| 19:14.54 | findlay | I have a vague idea that there are multiple different kinds of irqs |
| 19:15.13 | fugue88 | The PCI keeps adding enhancements since the good old ISA days. |
| 19:15.23 | findlay | interesting |
| 19:16.00 | fugue88 | And 1 h/w irq can be commendeered for multiple uses, and rerouted in ways that I have no undersstanding of. |
| 19:17.12 | fugue88 | But /proc/interrupts does show what each interrupt is currently being used for (in the right-most column). |
| 20:12.35 | shalkie | sjansen: Hehe you said 'curl'. :-P |
| 20:14.40 | jsmith | shalkie: Good one! |
| 20:17.36 | Gate | sjansen: then you have been doing the wrong kind of web dev |
| 20:17.42 | Gate | rails++ |
| 20:18.03 | levi | Ugh, rail fanbois. |
| 20:18.08 | levi | Er, rails. |
| 20:18.50 | sjansen | I'm doing Django, which I prefer over Rails. |
| 20:18.56 | jsmith | sjansen: What, you haven't just thrown your hands in the air and started hacking in PHP yet? |
| 20:19.12 | levi | Rails was cool and all, but it's still web development. |
| 20:19.13 | sjansen | Doesn't change the fact that Web development is mostly boring, tedious, and depressing. |
| 20:19.16 | Gate | Haven't tried it. its a Python MVC framework, yes? |
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| 20:20.11 | jsmith | "In one corner, we have Django. In the other corner, we have TurboGears. Let's see a nice clean fight!" |
| 20:20.34 | levi | Are both of those still actively maintained? |
| 20:20.48 | sjansen | Turbo Gears is now based on Pylons. |
| 20:21.07 | sjansen | Technically, Pylons is probably a better design than Django. |
| 20:21.16 | sjansen | But the Django community is stronger right now. |
| 20:21.23 | sjansen | They're all actively maintained. |
| 20:21.55 | sjansen | It's one of the great ironies that Python, which prides itself on "one right way to do things", has a bazillion active Web frameworks. |
| 20:22.10 | levi | I haven't been paying much attention to the web development frameworks lately. |
| 20:22.35 | levi | All I know is that I hate the Rails community. |
| 20:23.21 | jsmith | I have a bunch of friends in the TurboGears/TurboGears2 community... they think it's pretty hot |
| 20:23.40 | jsmith | As for me, I haven't used it enough to really get used to it |
| 20:25.05 | Gate | levi: they can be fairly fanboy/rabid can't they.... ok WE |
| 20:25.46 | Gate | There is, after all, a significant intersection of Apple fanboys and rails devs |
| 20:26.16 | levi | The 'rockstar' attitude pisses me off. |
| 20:26.46 | Gate | rockstar attitude? as in "look at me, I rock because I use rails"? |
| 20:27.02 | jsmith | Gate: That'd be it :-) |
| 20:27.27 | levi | And the rebel attitude. |
| 20:27.28 | sjansen | There's also a significant overlap between former PHP fanboys and current Rails fanboys. |
| 20:27.34 | Gate | that put me off for a long time too. My first mention of rails came from a guy who said "PHP is kiddy toys compared to rails" |
| 20:27.58 | levi | Don't kid yourself, Rails is kiddy toys, too. |
| 20:28.12 | levi | Just a much shinier toy. |
| 20:28.13 | Gate | I refuse to be a fanboy. Rails has annoyances and flaws, but it is the best web development framework I have every laid eyes upon |
| 20:28.26 | Gate | lol, good point |
| 20:28.46 | Gate | s/every/ever/ |
| 20:30.15 | Gate | I agree whole-heartedly with a convention over configuration attitude that drives much of rails. |
| 20:30.49 | Gate | after having spend the last f****** week configuring a f****** java stack, that statement carries more venom than normal |
| 20:33.23 | levi | While spelling everything out is certainly a pain in the ass, it has the advantage of providing an explicit description of what you want done. |
| 20:36.40 | sjansen | Convention over configuration is most useful when creating bluesky systems. |
| 20:37.57 | sjansen | Google ActiveRecord vs DataMapper if you want to read the whole tedious "here's why Rails isn't as good as J2EE/Hibernate" moaning of a few years ago. |
| 20:41.15 | fugue88 | bluesky? |
| 20:41.24 | Gate | OK, I may not be a rails fanboy, but I will admit to a vicious and irrational hatred of all things Java |
| 20:42.01 | Gate | the irrational part varies based on how well I can communicate for theday |
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| 20:50.55 | fugue88 | sjansen: Still curious about bluesky systems. |
| 20:51.51 | sjansen | blue sky == building from scatch, legacy infrastructure is non-existent or barely important |
| 20:52.24 | sjansen | completely supports almost of forms of hatred of Java |
| 20:52.28 | fugue88 | Ah, thanks. |
| 20:52.38 | levi | Rails is also the sort of thing you'd want to use for rapid prototyping. |
| 20:52.46 | fugue88 | rabid? |
| 20:52.51 | fugue88 | j/k |
| 21:01.54 | Gate | fugue88: true on both accounts :) |
| 21:02.20 | Gate | usually with legacy projects you are already locked into a technology or a particular direction |
| 21:03.18 | sjansen | Not true. You might have a legacy database, but room to adopt a new interface. |
| 21:04.03 | Gate | Well, it always depends on whether its a rewrite, refactor or just new features, etc |
| 21:05.53 | fugue88 | Also on your boss's tolerance for perceived risk (whether actual or not). |
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| 21:07.14 | goozbach | fugue88: it's also known as "green field" |
| 21:07.55 | fugue88 | is glad he's finally learning these important terms |
| 21:10.03 | jsmith | goozbach: As opposed to those "brown water" jobs? |
| 21:10.17 | fugue88 | ugh! |
| 21:10.24 | fugue88 | shudders, and tries to repress memories |
| 21:22.55 | sjansen | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/09/30/1930239/Facebook-Skype-Getting-Really-Friendly |
| 21:23.26 | sjansen | Okay, it's official, the mark of the beast the bible refers to must be a facebook account. |
| 21:25.50 | Migs | hahahahaha: "DrData99: OMG- Skype and Facebook are now Friends?! Like!" |
| 21:29.17 | Gate | sjansen: concur |
| 21:29.48 | Gate | Did you hear about the proposed merger between twitter, facebook and youtube? |
| 21:30.03 | Gate | The new company will be titled YouTwitFace |
| 21:30.50 | fugue88 | :D |
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| 22:31.56 | goozbach | I invoke fozzmoo |
| 22:32.00 | goozbach | perl perl perl |
| 22:32.03 | goozbach | :) |
| 22:32.51 | fozzmoo | You've reached fozzmoo... please leave a message. |
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| 22:38.30 | goozbach | fozzmoo: let's say I'm using ffmpeg to capture a screencast |
| 22:38.57 | goozbach | what are some good settings so I get decent quality without a filesize through the roof |
| 22:39.17 | goozbach | I'm thinking capture directly to .flv |
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