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| 01:15.07 | maquis | ack! What's the name of the good free spyware removal stuff? I want to mention it in my RS lesson |
| 01:17.42 | eightyeight | spybot? |
| 01:17.52 | maquis | eightyeight: yeah... I think that's the one I was thinking of |
| 01:18.04 | eightyeight | spybot, adaware, windows defender... |
| 01:18.06 | maquis | I couldn't find it on google immediately, and I'm trying to finish up my outline real quick |
| 01:18.15 | fozzmoo | maquis++ |
| 01:18.27 | maquis | I'm terrified that I'm going to be way over everyone's heads here... |
| 01:18.32 | maquis | fozzmoo: thanks... why? |
| 01:18.39 | fozzmoo | Because you're talking about spyware in RS. :) |
| 01:18.43 | maquis | fozzmoo: haha |
| 01:18.55 | fozzmoo | Extol the virtues of Linux while you're at it. |
| 01:18.56 | maquis | i'm doing a lesson on computer and network safety as part of our safety night |
| 01:18.59 | eightyeight | maquis: curious. what is your lesson actually about? |
| 01:19.03 | eightyeight | ah |
| 01:19.05 | maquis | (the other speaker is a police dept guy) |
| 01:19.43 | maquis | fozzmoo: given that half the group barely knows how to turn on a web browser, i'll leave linux out of it at the moment. |
| 01:19.49 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 01:20.07 | fozzmoo | Okay, my turn. I have a process that won't die. I'm guessing it's hanging on an open file handle. |
| 01:20.24 | fozzmoo | if I know the process id, how can I list the file handles open by it? |
| 01:21.46 | goozbach | fozzmoo: lsof |
| 01:21.49 | goozbach | ? |
| 01:21.53 | goozbach | fuser |
| 01:21.54 | fozzmoo | Yeah- I was just thinking lsof |
| 01:21.58 | fozzmoo | looks at lsof man page |
| 01:22.11 | eightyeight | fozzmoo: lsof -p |
| 01:23.25 | fozzmoo | thanks |
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| 01:41.51 | sjansen | ls -l /proc/$PID/fd/ |
| 01:44.58 | goozbach | sjansen +1 |
| 01:52.01 | eightyeight | that assums you're running the linux kernel. fozzmoo didn't specify. lsof is more portable |
| 01:52.06 | eightyeight | s/sums/sumes/ |
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| 14:02.04 | goozbach | ~onjoin sjansen |
| 14:02.27 | goozbach | ~onjoin sjansen check out lolbash1111!: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/lolbash/lolbash/lolbash.sh |
| 14:02.27 | ibot | ok, goozbach |
| 14:03.10 | goozbach | ~onjoin sjansen sjansen, sjansen, sjanse *PANT* *PANT* n check out lolbash1111!: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/lolbash/lolbash/lolbash.sh |
| 14:03.10 | ibot | goozbach: ok |
| 14:04.08 | eightyeight | are you serious? |
| 14:04.13 | eightyeight | this is a package in arch? |
| 14:05.16 | eightyeight | and i thought ubuntu was bad for its draconian packages |
| 14:05.28 | goozbach | hup |
| 14:06.12 | fugue88 | ~sigkill -hup goozbach |
| 14:06.38 | goozbach | you have reached the hup handler, have a nice day! |
| 14:06.59 | goozbach | buhahah! you didn't expect that did you!? |
| 14:07.15 | eightyeight | hup |
| 14:07.34 | eightyeight | you never expect the hup inquisition |
| 14:07.59 | goozbach | but clearly I did... I coded in a hup handler |
| 14:08.16 | eightyeight | not a hup holder |
| 14:09.01 | goozbach | hah |
| 14:09.16 | goozbach | killall -u eightyeight -9 |
| 14:09.25 | goozbach | trap THAT! |
| 14:10.03 | goozbach | of course, I hope I didn't just make a zombie process |
| 14:10.20 | eightyeight | my hup runneth over |
| 14:10.45 | goozbach | how bout a nice hup o' joe? |
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| 14:17.19 | fugue88 | sigkill -HUP government # HUP for Change⢠|
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| 14:30.38 | goozbach | hup the guberment! |
| 14:34.47 | eightyeight | whaddhup? |
| 14:35.39 | sontek | I wish more of my friends were nerds |
| 14:35.50 | sontek | I want "you never expect the HUP inquisition" to be my facebook status |
| 14:35.54 | fugue88 | I wish more of us were your friends. :) |
| 14:36.01 | fugue88 | j/k |
| 14:36.09 | sontek | fugue88: You are my bff |
| 14:36.18 | sontek | will be the best man at my wedding? |
| 14:36.19 | fugue88 | yay! \o/ |
| 14:36.33 | sontek | July 10th next year if you are available |
| 14:36.58 | fugue88 | sontek: Sorry, friend, I've got to ditch you there. I've got a hup signal to raise on that date. |
| 14:37.06 | sontek | if you can't make it out we could just skype you in |
| 14:37.21 | fugue88 | I'll have irc access... |
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| 14:37.43 | goozbach | best man via skype!? |
| 14:37.47 | goozbach | I *MUST* see that |
| 14:38.03 | fugue88 | 2nd best, at least. |
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| 14:39.36 | sontek | fugue88: you'll always be #1 in my heart |
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| 14:40.02 | goozbach | get a room |
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| 15:05.22 | mrpull | anybody else having issues with XO? |
| 15:05.26 | mrpull | high latency? |
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| 15:26.51 | peno | yeah, xo is having a peering issue. |
| 15:27.50 | JoshH | where? |
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| 15:32.09 | JoshH | peno, what details do you have? |
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| 16:07.26 | levi | Hmm, no wonder my DSL service was degrading. |
| 16:08.16 | levi | Apparently they're purposefully letting the copper-based DSL service degrade to get people to switch to their new fiber service, which is only available through their ISP. |
| 16:09.48 | JoshH | talking about what qwest is doing? |
| 16:09.58 | levi | Yeah. |
| 16:11.12 | tvc123 | I hate comcast .... but a REALLY hate qwest |
| 16:12.32 | JoshH | they're basically deliberately choosing not to shield the old copper, even though they know it degrades regular dsl, and then offering an fttn upgrade as the only solution to the problem when customers complain |
| 16:12.40 | JoshH | and there's nothing anyone can do about it |
| 16:13.19 | maquis | I've been looking to change off of Comcast, but we don't really have any good options here north of seattle. |
| 16:13.25 | JoshH | how bad it affects you really depends on the area though |
| 16:13.39 | maquis | speakeasy says we're too far out, so they'll charge us 150/month for low-speed dsl |
| 16:13.55 | Migs | lol that's lame |
| 16:14.00 | maquis | verizon fios was the main competitor to comcast, but they just sold out to frontier |
| 16:14.04 | maquis | and frontier scares me |
| 16:14.09 | JoshH | frontier sucks |
| 16:14.40 | maquis | my dad was having problems getting his frontier email working, and the cs rep was first off, incompetent, and then said to my dad "i see that your email password is <blah>. You need to type that into the password field" |
| 16:14.45 | maquis | my jaw hit the floor. |
| 16:15.03 | maquis | not only does the CS person have the ability to see my dad's email password, but they are audacious enough to state that fact on the phone |
| 16:15.35 | levi | Happily, I just cancelled my Qwest account. Sadly, I also cancelled my Xmission account. |
| 16:15.47 | maquis | from what i can see, we don't have any options besides frontier and comcast here |
| 16:15.48 | Migs | sometimes having plaintext passwords helps troubleshoot in awesome ways |
| 16:15.52 | Migs | but yeah, don't admit you can see them |
| 16:15.55 | JoshH | levi: how bad was your dsl, and for how long? |
| 16:16.05 | maquis | i wish xmission would come to washington |
| 16:16.38 | levi | JoshH: It's been slowly degrading. I was paying for 7 meg and getting maybe 2 on a good day. It was really terrible for a while, but that turned out to be a flaky modem. |
| 16:17.33 | JoshH | that sucks :( |
| 16:17.49 | JoshH | my qwest hate has increased |
| 16:18.12 | JoshH | honestly though, i'd probably rather use qwest fttn than comcast |
| 16:18.13 | levi | As far as I can tell, there's no way to get internet that doesn't suck in some way. |
| 16:18.22 | JoshH | utopia is good |
| 16:18.32 | levi | Comcast is working pretty well for me so far. |
| 16:19.25 | levi | I don't even know if qwest fttn is available to me. |
| 16:21.51 | JoshH | i wish there wasn't commie hysteria surronding utopia |
| 16:22.04 | JoshH | and that they were managed better in the past |
| 16:22.45 | levi | Yeah. |
| 16:22.48 | mrpull | the XO peering issues are improving |
| 16:23.15 | levi | I wish Lehi had signed up for it instead of waiting for the mythical broadband-over-powerlines solution. |
| 16:23.27 | JoshH | heh |
| 16:23.35 | JoshH | we'll see how that works out for them |
| 16:24.23 | levi | Well, that was the excuse when Utopia was signing up new member cities. I'm sure it's been forgotten by now. |
| 16:24.59 | JoshH | i actually just read something about the power line idea a week or so ago |
| 16:25.36 | JoshH | oh, but it was a 2004 article |
| 16:26.47 | levi | Lehi already has its own power company, which is probably why they were looking at that instead of fiber. |
| 16:27.18 | JoshH | they should have tried to be like murray |
| 16:27.37 | JoshH | my only complaint with murray power is that they aren't paying for your attic insulation like utah power does |
| 16:27.38 | peno | JoshH: just what I got from my account rep, that they have peering issues. Impacting thousands. |
| 16:28.12 | JoshH | questar will pay half, but you still need to pay 300 or so out of pocket for it |
| 16:28.30 | levi | Yeah, we did the attic insulation anyway. |
| 16:28.43 | levi | Got the Questar rebate and a tax rebate. |
| 16:29.04 | levi | I think it lowered our gas bill during the winter a bit. |
| 16:29.49 | JoshH | ya, i'll probably do it before the snow really starts coming |
| 16:32.11 | JoshH | someone from time warner telecom posted this on nanog |
| 16:32.45 | JoshH | XO began advertising way too many prefixes, a few hours ago. Most likely tripping most of their peers max-prefix limits. Filters are your friends. |
| 16:33.38 | JoshH | then the same guy wrote: Looks like XO has stopped advertising its peer's prefixes. Sessions |
| 16:33.43 | JoshH | coming back up and stable. |
| 16:33.48 | peno | goons. |
| 16:33.58 | levi | Apparently BPL causes radio interference. Amateur radio groups are fighting it. |
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| 17:10.56 | mrpull | JoshH: thanks for the heads up. Can you share a link? |
| 17:12.09 | JoshH | heres the thread |
| 17:12.12 | JoshH | http://seclists.org/nanog/2010/Sep/380 |
| 17:12.19 | mrpull | JoshH: thanks much! |
| 17:12.57 | JoshH | xo just sent me this email: http://pastebin.com/xBdHrKKm |
| 17:13.26 | JoshH | not much detail there, but at least they acknowledge it |
| 17:16.21 | mrpull | this is the note we got from our rep: |
| 17:16.22 | mrpull | http://pastebin.com/ehRBBr5a |
| 17:19.18 | goozbach | aholy crap! |
| 17:19.19 | goozbach | http://www.kablink.org/index.php |
| 17:19.36 | goozbach | there are some *AWESOME* opensource projects! |
| 17:20.50 | goozbach | wait. is this novell's iFolder? |
| 17:21.29 | goozbach | kicksass |
| 17:21.47 | goozbach | dusts off his novell braincells |
| 17:48.23 | tvc123 | goozbach: speaking about Novell whats the deal with them being sold? |
| 17:50.46 | unum | everyone's doing it |
| 17:50.49 | unum | selling out I mean |
| 17:51.42 | unum | everyone sold out to sun, and then oracle bought sun.... |
| 17:55.28 | unum | wow I'd forgotten about their other aquisitions |
| 17:55.33 | unum | like people soft and sieben |
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| 18:06.58 | findlay | what does this mean? |
| 18:07.00 | findlay | Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use. |
| 18:07.47 | findlay | every reference to it online refers to a dual binding in ipv6 and v4 in ssh_config, but I'm pretty sure there's no ipv6 on this embedded board |
| 18:07.55 | fugue88 | findlay: It means other software is already listening on port 22 (ssh's). It could be on any interface. |
| 18:08.08 | fugue88 | netstat -lntp |grep 22 |
| 18:08.14 | findlay | hm |
| 18:08.34 | findlay | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 18:08.39 | findlay | whatever that is |
| 18:08.49 | fugue88 | Re-run it as root, it'll show you the program. |
| 18:09.01 | findlay | I am root |
| 18:09.34 | findlay | oh, it didn't show up because I was in a chroot |
| 18:09.48 | findlay | outside of that it becomes inetd |
| 18:09.50 | findlay | I knew it |
| 18:10.00 | findlay | stupid inetd |
| 18:12.25 | levi | inetd is awesome. |
| 18:12.46 | fugue88 | xinetd is awesomer |
| 18:12.51 | levi | Makes it so you don't have to have a ton of resource-hogging daemons running all the time. |
| 18:13.06 | levi | Well, the concept of inetd is what I meant. |
| 18:13.20 | fugue88 | ~lart resource-hogging daemons |
| 18:13.20 | ibot | moos at resource-hogging daemons |
| 18:14.28 | fugue88 | levi: Ever tried djb's version? http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp.html |
| 18:15.36 | levi | Nope. I ran his dns server for a while, though. |
| 18:15.55 | fugue88 | levi: Yeah, I still run that, and the dns cache. |
| 18:16.21 | fugue88 | Ran qmail for a long while, too. |
| 18:16.56 | levi | djb stuff tends to like to do things its own way. |
| 18:17.40 | levi | At some point, my interest in micromanaging my system diminished, so I just switched to distro-default services. |
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| 18:18.56 | levi | And I have dnsmasq running on my OpenWRT-based router. |
| 18:20.23 | sontek | Yeah, I got pretty lazy about managing my servers in my old age |
| 18:20.31 | sontek | if its not in my distro by default I don't need it ;P |
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| 18:25.17 | findlay | I have dropbear being run by inetd. If I want it to listen on a different port, is that something I configure with dropbear or inetd? |
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| 18:25.49 | findlay | because I can't figure out how to change port assignments in inetd.conf |
| 18:27.38 | levi | The service to port mapping is done in /etc/services |
| 18:28.36 | levi | But you could probably use a numeric port instead of a service name in inetd.conf |
| 18:28.59 | findlay | well, for now I've tried `dropbear -i -p 2222` in inetd.conf |
| 18:29.04 | findlay | let's see if it works |
| 18:29.40 | levi | Nope. |
| 18:30.04 | levi | inetd is the one binding the port, dropbear just uses stdin/stdout |
| 18:31.24 | levi | If inetd will take a port number instead of a service name, do that. Otherwise add ssh-other 2222/tcp to /etc/services and use ssh-other as the service name, or something like that. |
| 18:32.08 | levi | Or run dropbear as a daemon on that port, in which case it will bind the port itself. |
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| 18:48.43 | unum | so it seems fedora has disabled alternative terminals ie ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 18:48.56 | unum | does anyone know how to reenable them |
| 18:49.29 | findlay | lame |
| 18:52.03 | TodPunk | <levi> At some point, my interest in micromanaging my system diminished, so I just switched to distro-default services. <--- Keep talking like that and you might be a windows user someday. |
| 18:53.39 | findlay | or worse, a mac user |
| 18:53.48 | findlay | hehe |
| 18:54.09 | goozbach | unum: they didn't |
| 18:54.12 | goozbach | try vt1 |
| 18:54.14 | goozbach | er vt2 |
| 18:54.22 | goozbach | the X server starts on terminal one now |
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| 19:10.16 | Gate | heh. Reminds me of http://lolcode.com/ |
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| 19:42.27 | fadein | maquis: how did your computer safety lesson go over? |
| 19:42.45 | maquis | fadein: went well. |
| 19:43.12 | fadein | maquis: good to hear. how long did your presentation end up taking? |
| 19:43.14 | maquis | had to rush a bit, but everyone seemed to understand what I was saying |
| 19:43.20 | maquis | i had about 30 minutes |
| 19:43.27 | maquis | I could've easily gone for an hour, though |
| 19:46.52 | mecworks | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.04 | mecworks | Not sure if that URL will work for you... |
| 19:47.27 | sjansen | WORKSFORME |
| 19:47.53 | mecworks | :) |
| 19:48.39 | sjansen | Novell has been a big Xen supporter. Not sure it makes sense for VMware to buy Novell, but it'll be interesting to watch things shake out if it actually happened. |
| 19:56.50 | Gate | wait, buying Novell or Suse...? |
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| 19:58.06 | fugue88 | If Oracle's only buying Suse, that would leave Novell without a business, *again*, and they'll have to go acquire something, *again*. |
| 19:58.36 | Migs | Novell's been tanking for awhile |
| 19:58.56 | Migs | they're going to be all but completely sold off within the next few years, I'm sure |
| 19:59.23 | maquis | ack!!! I'm on a Q&A forum... and one of the threads is a couple thousand posts lng and a few months old. Someone just started reading at the beginning and is pposting replies to questions asked months ago... |
| 20:00.10 | maquis | oh... and the forum's only threading is a link that displays a box with the date and message of the post that a particular post replied to |
| 20:00.43 | levi | Man, this version of gcc is a buggy piece of garbage. |
| 20:01.13 | maquis | i posted a reply to let this person know that they're replying to really really really old posts, but it's at the end of the thread, so she won't know that until she gets through a couple thousand posts |
| 20:01.13 | levi | This is my second compiler bug in as many days. |
| 20:01.16 | fugue88 | levi: You gonna tell us which version, or leave that (perhaps accurately) wildcarded? |
| 20:01.21 | fugue88 | ;) |
| 20:01.37 | levi | The first one compiled and broke code when optimizations were turned on. This one wouldn't compile because it "could not find a spill register". |
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| 20:02.06 | fugue88 | levi: You're not compiling qemu, are you? |
| 20:02.12 | levi | Interestingly enough, they seem to use some sort of s-expression-based language internally during their optimization pass. |
| 20:02.27 | levi | No, just some network protocol handling code. |
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| 20:03.06 | fugue88 | Register spilling seems to have had intermittent problems through much of the 4.x versions. |
| 20:03.07 | levi | It's an old version of gcc for ppc built by QNX, so I doubt any of you will come across it. |
| 20:03.52 | fugue88 | s/4.x/y.x/ |
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| 20:14.56 | maquis | I say "mama"... Callie says back "dadadada" |
| 20:15.29 | maquis | apparently M is harder than D |
| 20:15.54 | maquis | but pbbbvtth! is really easdy to say |
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| 20:18.52 | goozbach | nice! |
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| 20:26.31 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 20:26.32 | ibot | turns fozzmoo into a lifesized tux doll |
| 20:30.17 | levi | Why would Oracle buy SuSE? Don't they already have a Linux distro? |
| 20:30.39 | tensai | Oracle does love to kill the competition |
| 20:31.57 | JoshH | next redhat, then apple and microsoft, then the world |
| 20:32.00 | levi | The annoying thing about shared libraries is that you don't find out about linker errors until runtime. :/ |
| 20:42.19 | jsmith | levi: They'd but them for the patents, mostly. |
| 20:54.47 | JoshH | waits for the top posting thread to grow huge |
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| 21:02.36 | bmidgley2 | again with the top posting |
| 21:03.08 | JoshH | fwiw, i've seen a top posting discussion on one other list besides plug |
| 21:03.15 | JoshH | unlike mr alligood |
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| 21:03.47 | bmidgley2 | yeah, the guy running bluez complained at me for it, that's the only other place |
| 21:05.49 | JoshH | i bottom post and trim on lists, usually top post and usually trim with normal people |
| 21:06.16 | JoshH | i've tried bottom posting with normal people before, and actually had them ask me why i do it |
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| 21:25.49 | sjansen | Because it's an indication that I've actually read and considered how to respond to each part of the message. |
| 21:26.33 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.42 | ^Phantom2^ | http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3313/photo0171q.jpg |
| 21:59.49 | ^Phantom2^ | my mom just got rear ended |
| 21:59.50 | ^Phantom2^ | D: |
| 22:24.34 | macnewbold | yikes |
| 22:24.40 | macnewbold | not good, ^Phantom2^ |
| 22:34.41 | TimRiker | maybe it's SCO buying SuSE. That would at least give everyone a laugh. |
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